Candace Conti Went Home Alone with Ke...

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#384 Jun 27, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
Jehovah did not smack his servants. Satan's world did. Jehovah will back up his obedient servants.
yes he will back up his obedient servants and not all are, are they which this case and others have shown that those that are in responsible positions in the org should always put the safely of the flock first this is what a Shepherd is suppose to do.

they have confused what is secular and what is sacred.

“Bustin' Myths”

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#385 Jun 28, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> If you make that statement that this has nothing to do with the sprit world.
Then, man..I don't what else to tell you, frankly.
By that statement. I know you never got the truth. Myth.
As far as watching my children?
My wife and i are responsible for ours. Very much so.
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I KNOW that Jw's are a persecuted people.
NOTHING surprises me.
This forum has been very "instrumental" in further confirming that to me.
It has been quite enlightening. Especially in recent days.
And i arrived here with an OPEN mind at that.
But FAIR!
This is the only part of the spirit world involved with this case. You seemed to have skipped over what I wrote in my post so here it is again:

If anything, the spirit world's involvement would be jehovah allowing this to happen to force a change in the current policy.
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#386 Jun 28, 2012
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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The JW reaction is always an eye-opener, isn't it? Members of other religious groups were angry and demanded that their church hierarchy do something to not only protect children better, but to compensate those poor souls who had already been damaged when they found out about abhorrent practices dealing with child molestation in their churches.
Not the JWs, though. Nope...right from the beginning they have, almost to a man, vilified the victims while they vigorously defended the organization. It's pretty telling.
For years we heard that people were going to commit and either be on Jehovah's side or on satan's side (I preached that from the platform on many ocassions).

We are finally seeing it happen in front of us right now.

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#387 Jun 28, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> There are holes in her story.
This unjust award will be overturned.
When a person is abused, they try to erase the happenings from their minds. Do you believe she was abused by this man? I do.

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#388 Jun 28, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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in her Complaint she claims the abuse occurred between 1996 to 1997. She would have been between the ages of 10 and 12 at that time. During her deposition testimony she changed that time period to 1994 to 1996, when she was between ages 9 and l0 1/2 years old.
diogenes, my mother was sexually abused by an uncle and possibly her own father at a young age. None of this came to the surface until she was in her late 40's at the death of my father. She then went into severe depression, PTSS, and depression itself. She was put into a depression hospital so they could put her on the meds she needed and she spoke then to a doctor and was in therapy. During the sessions, it came out about her uncle and someone else who she refused to see his face. The therapist concluded that this was her own father. She could not put dates on these happening because she had kept them repressed for so long and didn't want to remember them at all. When something like this happens to a child, it affects every day of their life after that event, nothing is ever the same again in their life. For you to condemn this girl because of protecting the WTS and even the man who did this to her is appalling and disgusting. Open your eyes to the fact that this does happen in the KH's more than you realize, open your eyes to the fact that this time, it was brought out into the open. Accept the fact that they need to change the policy on child molestation and anything else that needs to involve the police. Until they do that, more children are going to be molested and you are saying you are okay with it in the way you are speaking here. Nothing will ever change the fact that the policy of the WTS are now out in the open and even if it is overturned, it will always be out there now.

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#389 Jun 28, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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Diogenes, my mother was sexually abused by an uncle and possibly her own father at a young age. None of this came to the surface until she was in her late 40's at the death of my father. She then went into severe depression, PTSS, and depression itself. She was put into a depression hospital so they could put her on the meds she needed and she spoke then to a doctor and was in therapy. During the sessions, it came out about her uncle and someone else who she refused to see his face. The therapist concluded that this was her own father. She could not put dates on these happening because she had kept them repressed for so long and didn't want to remember them at all. When something like this happens to a child, it affects every day of their life after that event, nothing is ever the same again in their life. For you to condemn this girl because of protecting the WTS and even the man who did this to her is appalling and disgusting. Open your eyes to the fact that this does happen in the KH's more than you realize, open your eyes to the fact that this time, it was brought out into the open. Accept the fact that they need to change the policy on child molestation and anything else that needs to involve the police. Until they do that, more children are going to be molested and you are saying you are okay with it in the way you are speaking here. Nothing will ever change the fact that the policy of the WTS are now out in the open and even if it is overturned, it will always be out there now.
Hi Karen very true, and sorry for you Mom and all those that have gone through this traumatic horrible experience.

Perhaps Diogenes should read from the WT own material on this.

awake 91 10/8 4-6 7-11

And also google PTS and child sexual abuse, the Awake quotes many experts on this matter also, so I guess instead of one making excuses they should be educated and understanding instead of coming up with all sorts of nonescence just to switch blame.

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#390 Jun 28, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Karen very true, and sorry for you Mom and all those that have gone through this traumatic horrible experience.
Perhaps Diogenes should read from the WT own material on this.
awake 91 10/8 4-6 7-11
And also google PTS and child sexual abuse, the Awake quotes many experts on this matter also, so I guess instead of one making excuses they should be educated and understanding instead of coming up with all sorts of nonescence just to switch blame.
After telling this array, I had to cry. I loved my mother but all her life these things haunted her and she didn't even know what it was until later in her life. My grandfather had passed away and so had my great uncle and I guess I am glad they did because it saved me from having to confront them again knowing what they did to her.
The WTS has a way of knowing what is right and even printing it, but never applying it to themselves. I have known this for many years. I really wonder if they will learn from this, or if once again they will sweep it under the rug.

“John 4:23,24”

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#391 Jun 28, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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diogenes, my mother was sexually abused by an uncle and possibly her own father at a young age. None of this came to the surface until she was in her late 40's at the death of my father. She then went into severe depression, PTSS, and depression itself. She was put into a depression hospital so they could put her on the meds she needed and she spoke then to a doctor and was in therapy. During the sessions, it came out about her uncle and someone else who she refused to see his face. The therapist concluded that this was her own father. She could not put dates on these happening because she had kept them repressed for so long and didn't want to remember them at all. When something like this happens to a child, it affects every day of their life after that event, nothing is ever the same again in their life. For you to condemn this girl because of protecting the WTS and even the man who did this to her is appalling and disgusting. Open your eyes to the fact that this does happen in the KH's more than you realize, open your eyes to the fact that this time, it was brought out into the open. Accept the fact that they need to change the policy on child molestation and anything else that needs to involve the police. Until they do that, more children are going to be molested and you are saying you are okay with it in the way you are speaking here. Nothing will ever change the fact that the policy of the WTS are now out in the open and even if it is overturned, it will always be out there now.
What church did her father and uncle belong to? That church obviously was to blame.

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#392 Jun 28, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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After telling this array, I had to cry. I loved my mother but all her life these things haunted her and she didn't even know what it was until later in her life. My grandfather had passed away and so had my great uncle and I guess I am glad they did because it saved me from having to confront them again knowing what they did to her.
The WTS has a way of knowing what is right and even printing it, but never applying it to themselves. I have known this for many years. I really wonder if they will learn from this, or if once again they will sweep it under the rug.
true they just don't want any blame. but quoting what they themselves have said is the only way ones like diogenes can be told.

Many victims have go through life hiding this and escape in different ways, when a death occurs or loss a divorce or something that will trigger of trauma things are relived. We have the ability to protect ourselves from pain but in the end it can catch up to us if we have never had help. This is whay seeking help is so important. In your mums case and others it can resurface late in life when we go back to memeories and bad ones come forward, if we have not had a closure to this the trauma is relived.

Only through provision of the ransom and Gods hope for a future filled with no pain can we ever really get over these things, but we can have a measure of peace and happiness if we draw close to God and throw out burdens upon him.

For many of the JW that have been abused some seem to forget that their faith has also been shattered and betrayed, can be a long sad road and many have had to deal with it alone.

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#393 Jun 28, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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What church did her father and uncle belong to? That church obviously was to blame.
well what do you expect they are not in a spiritual paradise like JW where no pedophile has ever been found!

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#394 Jun 28, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>well what do you expect they are not in a spiritual paradise like JW where no pedophile has ever been found!
And if you will notice, no I am sorry for what your mom had to endure as a child, only a very sarcastic remark. She is so cold hearted.

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#395 Jun 28, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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And if you will notice, no I am sorry for what your mom had to endure as a child, only a very sarcastic remark. She is so cold hearted.
don't worry to much about her, she has real issues and a troubled heart, hope she goes back to Jehovah and finds some sort of peace.
diogenes

Dallas, TX

#396 Jun 28, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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diogenes, my mother was sexually abused by an uncle and possibly her own father at a young age. None of this came to the surface until she was in her late 40's at the death of my father. She then went into severe depression, PTSS, and depression itself. She was put into a depression hospital so they could put her on the meds she needed and she spoke then to a doctor and was in therapy. During the sessions, it came out about her uncle and someone else who she refused to see his face. The therapist concluded that this was her own father. She could not put dates on these happening because she had kept them repressed for so long and didn't want to remember them at all. When something like this happens to a child, it affects every day of their life after that event, nothing is ever the same again in their life. For you to condemn this girl because of protecting the WTS and even the man who did this to her is appalling and disgusting. Open your eyes to the fact that this does happen in the KH's more than you realize, open your eyes to the fact that this time, it was brought out into the open.
This case is not about repressed memories. The plaintiff clearly states in her deposition that she never forgot the abuse. I am very sorry for the abuse your mother suffered. Should anyone be punished for their crime besides your grandfather and his brother?

Also your story is plausible since both your grandfather and his brother had opportunities to be alone with your mother. The Conti case is implausible since the plaintiff claims to be molested on a weekly basis for two years running with a man that that the parents deny ever had access to alone. Further, Candace had a social life with a lot of friends. There is no way she would sacrifice that freedom to be alone with a monster she hated unless she was forced to.

Since: Feb 07

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#397 Jun 28, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
Jehovah did not smack his servants. Satan's world did. Jehovah will back up his obedient servants.
Good point...and that's why Candace won her case.

“John 4:23,24”

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#398 Jun 28, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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And if you will notice, no I am sorry for what your mom had to endure as a child, only a very sarcastic remark. She is so cold hearted.
Focusing on your personal dislike of me helps you to avoid admitting that it never occurred to you to blame your grandfather's church. That only happens if Jehovah's Witnesses are involved.

And you know you would not have accepted any expression of sympathy from me. I have expressed concern many times for your mother as my sister with no response from you or, worse yet, accusations that I am insincere.

Again, the point I make is that no one even thinks of a church being involved unless it is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, such as in the Conti case.

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#399 Jun 28, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Focusing on your personal dislike of me helps you to avoid admitting that it never occurred to you to blame your grandfather's church. That only happens if Jehovah's Witnesses are involved.
And you know you would not have accepted any expression of sympathy from me. I have expressed concern many times for your mother as my sister with no response from you or, worse yet, accusations that I am insincere.
Again, the point I make is that no one even thinks of a church being involved unless it is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, such as in the Conti case.
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. The reason being is the other churches aren't patting themselves on the back declaring that they are so much better then everybody... THUS... drawing attention to themselves... When you act like a diva. well... you got to expect people to view you like a bug under a lens... The fact is the WTS.. has told the world ..over and over that THEY are exemplary... And YET... they ain't..

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#400 Jun 28, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Focusing on your personal dislike of me helps you to avoid admitting that it never occurred to you to blame your grandfather's church. That only happens if Jehovah's Witnesses are involved.
And you know you would not have accepted any expression of sympathy from me. I have expressed concern many times for your mother as my sister with no response from you or, worse yet, accusations that I am insincere.
Again, the point I make is that no one even thinks of a church being involved unless it is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, such as in the Conti case.
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Many people do not attend churches.. Gasp! And a whole lot of those people are way more Christian then those that do..

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#401 Jun 28, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Focusing on your personal dislike of me helps you to avoid admitting that it never occurred to you to blame your grandfather's church. That only happens if Jehovah's Witnesses are involved.
And you know you would not have accepted any expression of sympathy from me. I have expressed concern many times for your mother as my sister with no response from you or, worse yet, accusations that I am insincere.
Again, the point I make is that no one even thinks of a church being involved unless it is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, such as in the Conti case.
but it has happened and for decades and my JW kids have suffered and you say nothing.
this is your religion you should be appalled, and asking yourself how could this be Christ chose us back in 1918, we are in this spiritual paradise, no other church has ever said that.

And at least other denominations have made a public apology, the GB have said nothing.

Since: Feb 07

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#402 Jun 28, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Focusing on your personal dislike of me helps you to avoid admitting that it never occurred to you to blame your grandfather's church. That only happens if Jehovah's Witnesses are involved.
And you know you would not have accepted any expression of sympathy from me. I have expressed concern many times for your mother as my sister with no response from you or, worse yet, accusations that I am insincere.
Again, the point I make is that no one even thinks of a church being involved unless it is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, such as in the Conti case.
Oddly enough, many people think of the church being involved (especially the Catholic church) when molestation is brought up.

It's only the JWs who consistently claim that THEIR church could not POSSIBLY have anything to do with molestations committed by JWs.
TPMP

New Canaan, CT

#403 Jun 28, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>but it has happened and for decades and my JW kids have suffered and you say nothing.
this is your religion you should be appalled, and asking yourself how could this be Christ chose us back in 1918, we are in this spiritual paradise, no other church has ever said that.
And at least other denominations have made a public apology, the GB have said nothing.
You are apostate filth!

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