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I was just reading this article about a new species called the Olinguito. It looks raccoon-like with a long tail. Scientists believe this animal has been here all along, just hiding in plain sight.

I guess we should assume that Noah didn't miss these fur-balls and possibly had two of these on the big boat!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/olin...

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I was just reading this article about a new species called the Olinguito. It looks raccoon-like with a long tail. Scientists believe this animal has been here all along, just hiding in plain sight.
I guess we should assume that Noah didn't miss these fur-balls and possibly had two of these on the big boat!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/olin...
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.hmm! isn't it possible that like many animals that we can readily observe that ..say like humans ..we are all the same species..and yet we observe that not only do we have different colors in eyes..hair ..skin.. We have short and tall.. fat and thin etc.. many difference ... yet! we're still..human..

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.hmm! isn't it possible that like many animals that we can readily observe that ..say like humans ..we are all the same species..and yet we observe that not only do we have different colors in eyes..hair ..skin.. We have short and tall.. fat and thin etc.. many difference ... yet! we're still..human..
However this is not the case here.

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I was just reading this article about a new species called the Olinguito. It looks raccoon-like with a long tail. Scientists believe this animal has been here all along, just hiding in plain sight.
I guess we should assume that Noah didn't miss these fur-balls and possibly had two of these on the big boat!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/olin...
I saw that article on MSN. He's cute. I want one! Maybe four! LOL

You doubt the account of Noah and the Flood?

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.hmm! isn't it possible that like many animals that we can readily observe that ..say like humans ..we are all the same species..and yet we observe that not only do we have different colors in eyes..hair ..skin.. We have short and tall.. fat and thin etc.. many difference ... yet! we're still..human..
I agree with you on this one. Look at all the varieties of dog we have. Yet all dogs derive from the wolf.

But this is a new species that was discovered, not a derivation from an existing kind, or, probably, a kind that hasn't been mapped or traced back to. It just means this is an animal that modern Man has overlooked. I'm sure there's more out there.

Maybe the Ark was bigger than we thought? Or, most likely, the animals were smaller than we thought?

Did God have to direct grown adults to Noah to put into the ark?

I and others are of the opinion that God could have directed juveniles to Noah instead. Not too young that they couldn't take care of themselves but still small and docile. And think about this: Being smaller they take up less room and consume less food and water. That is assuming that God didn't put some supernatural force into play that placed all the animals into sleep or some sort of hibernation that further allowed them to be packed-in tighter and stretched Noah's provisions for them.

Makes sense, eh?

Just my two cents.

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However this is not the case here.
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. I see.. they certainly don't quite fit the minds eye of a raccoon..

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I agree with you on this one. Look at all the varieties of dog we have. Yet all dogs derive from the wolf.
But this is a new species that was discovered, not a derivation from an existing kind, or, probably, a kind that hasn't been mapped or traced back to. It just means this is an animal that modern Man has overlooked. I'm sure there's more out there.
Maybe the Ark was bigger than we thought? Or, most likely, the animals were smaller than we thought?
Did God have to direct grown adults to Noah to put into the ark?
I and others are of the opinion that God could have directed juveniles to Noah instead. Not too young that they couldn't take care of themselves but still small and docile. And think about this: Being smaller they take up less room and consume less food and water. That is assuming that God didn't put some supernatural force into play that placed all the animals into sleep or some sort of hibernation that further allowed them to be packed-in tighter and stretched Noah's provisions for them.
Makes sense, eh?
Just my two cents.
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. I must say .that is and interesting thought process.. And I'm sure there was a lot not written .:)

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I saw that article on MSN. He's cute. I want one! Maybe four! LOL
You doubt the account of Noah and the Flood?
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They do look cute!

But yes, I doubt the Flood account for a gazillion reasons!

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I agree with you on this one. Look at all the varieties of dog we have. Yet all dogs derive from the wolf.
But this is a new species that was discovered, not a derivation from an existing kind, or, probably, a kind that hasn't been mapped or traced back to. It just means this is an animal that modern Man has overlooked. I'm sure there's more out there.
Maybe the Ark was bigger than we thought? Or, most likely, the animals were smaller than we thought?
Did God have to direct grown adults to Noah to put into the ark?
I and others are of the opinion that God could have directed juveniles to Noah instead. Not too young that they couldn't take care of themselves but still small and docile. And think about this: Being smaller they take up less room and consume less food and water. That is assuming that God didn't put some supernatural force into play that placed all the animals into sleep or some sort of hibernation that further allowed them to be packed-in tighter and stretched Noah's provisions for them.
Makes sense, eh?
Just my two cents.
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I could see if God gave Noah a list. But he didn't. The account said that he was ordered to gather two or seven (depending which verse you want to go with) of each animal.

That means that Noah had to basically categorize the entire animal kingdom, a feat, as shown by this article is still ongoing!

Yet another reason why to see the account as just a fable and not a recording of actual human and animal events.

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I could see if God gave Noah a list. But he didn't. The account said that he was ordered to gather two or seven (depending which verse you want to go with) of each animal.
That means that Noah had to basically categorize the entire animal kingdom, a feat, as shown by this article is still ongoing!
Yet another reason why to see the account as just a fable and not a recording of actual human and animal events.
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domestic meaning those that we are familiar with such as Sheep and goats.. cows and pigs.. not exactly what one might refer to as exotic pets..
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Arkham Bravo wrote:
I was just reading this article about a new species called the Olinguito. It looks raccoon-like with a long tail. Scientists believe this animal has been here all along, just hiding in plain sight.
I guess we should assume that Noah didn't miss these fur-balls and possibly had two of these on the big boat!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/olin...
The Watchtower already knew all about this!!

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. I must say .that is and interesting thought process.. And I'm sure there was a lot not written .:)
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domestic meaning those that we are familiar with such as Sheep and goats.. cows and pigs.. not exactly what one might refer to as exotic pets..
In which case those exotic pets were lost forever then as the flood would have killed them all we shouldn't see any of them today.

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I could see if God gave Noah a list. But he didn't. The account said that he was ordered to gather two or seven (depending which verse you want to go with) of each animal.
That means that Noah had to basically categorize the entire animal kingdom, a feat, as shown by this article is still ongoing!
Yet another reason why to see the account as just a fable and not a recording of actual human and animal events.
No. Noah had gather each KIND.

No again. I believe God did the "categorizing". Perhaps the best ones that can proliferate given the current and new circumstances.

Such a world catastrophe would certainly enter into the human experience everlastingly - and it has. While details differ from culture to culture, the basic premise remains. What's unusual is that this shared experience is found even in the lore of peoples who don't even have access to a large bodies of water to draw on as reference and/or experience heavy rains to draw on as reference and/or know nothing about boats - big rafts or canoes substituted instead. But the general idea remains.

It is of interest to note that the Chinese character for "ship" is derived from the idea of "eight persons in a vessel." This bears a striking resemblance to the Bible account about Noah and his family, eight persons, who survived the Flood in an ark. As is often typical of written Chinese words, it is composed component radicals to make a single ideographic word or thought, in this case three radicals - "vessel" "eight" "mouth" - to form the ideograph "ship".

So Noah's ark was a ship or a vessel with eight people.

Fitting to use Noah's ark as a reference since this is the first time in Man's history that a large water vessel is described. So the ark is used as a generic reference for ships, boats, or water vessels in Chinese.

While we're on written Chinese, did you know that the ideograph for "Devil" is "secret" "man" "garden" "[alive]" ?

How did you suppose the Chinese had echoes of the Genesis account from tens of thousands of miles away? How do you suppose they got it?

Food for thought.

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http://ncse.com/rncse/29/5/yes -noahs-flood-may-have-happened -not-over-whole-earth
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From the website: "Defending Evolution and Climate Science"?

I'm glad that they allow that it "may" have happened. But I'll let them study some more on the other clause.

It's like paleontologists who believed for many decades that the dinosaurs were cold blooded reptiles that were sluggish and dim-witted. They have reversed that long standing position!

I'll stick to the Bible rather than to incomplete science used by those who don't like the idea that God exists.

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In which case those exotic pets were lost forever then as the flood would have killed them all we shouldn't see any of them today.
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Nope! fact is the originals were on the ark in 2's.. As we can observe.. mutations... or gene splitting..or breeders .have over the years..managed to influence changes that often appear to be a new species.. or the animals themselves have caused it to happen by breeding with a dominant or less dominant of their species.. Peekapoos for example..

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No. Noah had gather each KIND.
No again. I believe God did the "categorizing".....
Food for thought.
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Here is some food for thought using the immutable laws of nature and modern science...

Gathering the Animals

In Genesis 6:19-21, God tells Noah to bring in two of every animal on the earth. This poses an incredible, most likely insurmountable, logistical problem. Noah would have never been able to travel all over the world and gather up every animal he needed on his Ark. Even if he didn't have to, and God just made the animals set out randomly for Mesopotamia, it still wouldn't have worked. Some animals would have had to make incredible journeys all the way from places like Antarctica.

Caring for the Animals

Caring for the animals on Noah's ark would have been impossible. Simply feeding them would have been more than Noah and his family could have managed. Waste disposal and sanitation would have been a nightmare. In "The Genesis Flood" written by Tas Walker, he claims that "Noah may have had systems to automatically supply water and food to the animals and clear away their waste." This of course wasn't mentioned in the Bible.

Integrity of Noah's Ark

During the great flood Noah's Ark would have faced the most brutal weather in the history of the world. A study by Answers in Genesis asserts that the Ark could have withstood waves of up to 30 meters without overturning. Waves in ocean storms can reach heights of up to 31 meters. With the entire world flooded we are likely to see waves of a much greater magnitude. With an unlimited fetch, waves could possibly be expected to reach miles in height.

The Rain Itself

The amount of water vapor suspended in air needed for a global flood would have been unbreathable. Humans, and virtually every other animal, would have drowned by the simple act of breathing. Water vapor is also a very powerful greenhouse gas, trapping more heat than other such gasses (e.g. CO2, methane), and so would have overheated the Earth (and thus its animals, including those boarding the ark) before the flood even began.

Post-Flood Animal Survival

After the flood the animals on the ark would have faced extreme difficulties. Populations of less than 20 members are almost certainly doomed to extinction. After the ark there would have been 2 of most animals and 14 of a few select mammals plus 14 of all birds. These animals would be facing some of the harshest conditions the world have ever known. A flood of 376 days would have killed all plant life while ocean currents between 40 to 80 meters per second would have swept everything away and buried the earth under a layer of sediment.

Re-population

The global flood story requires that only eight people were left alive in 2349 BCE. This does not allow enough time for humans to repopulate the earth. In 2000 BCE only 350 years after the flood the population of the world was 27 million. To go from a population of eight to a population of 27 million in 350 years would require a population growth rate of 136.07%. That is 133% more than the fastest growing portions of the world today.

The Bible writers left out a lot of detail and we are just left to blind faith to believe it. If you just wanted to leave it to faith, that's fine. But when you start poking for evidence, like ancient Chinese character meanings, then you barely scratch the surface of the burden of proof.

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No. Noah had gather each KIND.
No again. I believe God did the "categorizing". Perhaps the best ones that can proliferate given the current and new circumstances.
Such a world catastrophe would certainly enter into the human experience everlastingly - and it has. While details differ from culture to culture, the basic premise remains. What's unusual is that this shared experience is found even in the lore of peoples who don't even have access to a large bodies of water to draw on as reference and/or experience heavy rains to draw on as reference and/or know nothing about boats - big rafts or canoes substituted instead. But the general idea remains.
It is of interest to note that the Chinese character for "ship" is derived from the idea of "eight persons in a vessel." This bears a striking resemblance to the Bible account about Noah and his family, eight persons, who survived the Flood in an ark. As is often typical of written Chinese words, it is composed component radicals to make a single ideographic word or thought, in this case three radicals - "vessel" "eight" "mouth" - to form the ideograph "ship".
So Noah's ark was a ship or a vessel with eight people.
Fitting to use Noah's ark as a reference since this is the first time in Man's history that a large water vessel is described. So the ark is used as a generic reference for ships, boats, or water vessels in Chinese.
While we're on written Chinese, did you know that the ideograph for "Devil" is "secret" "man" "garden" "[alive]" ?
How did you suppose the Chinese had echoes of the Genesis account from tens of thousands of miles away? How do you suppose they got it?
Food for thought.
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The biggest nail in the coffin disproving a global flood is the Bronze Age,(history) the time the Bible says this flood happened.

During the Bronze Age, according to recorded history there were six well-established cultures or ‘civilizations’ at the time of Noah’s Flood. They were: Mesopotamia (Sumerian), Indus Valley, Egypt, the Minoan, the ‘Holy Land’ area, and China. Archaeological records such as ruins of cities, tools, pottery, skeletal remains, weapons, and other artifacts support the written records that survive. These records all show that humans and civilizations existed in almost all parts of the world at the time of the flood, and that there was a worldwide population of possibly 100 million people.

Not one of these cultures or civilizations show any interruption in its history from a catastrophic flood. This begs one to reason that the flood was just a regional event that was made into a fantastic story.

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From the website: "Defending Evolution and Climate Science"?
I'm glad that they allow that it "may" have happened. But I'll let them study some more on the other clause.
It's like paleontologists who believed for many decades that the dinosaurs were cold blooded reptiles that were sluggish and dim-witted. They have reversed that long standing position!
I'll stick to the Bible rather than to incomplete science used by those who don't like the idea that God exists.
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Then you believe in a 6000 year old flat earth...

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