Abaddon and the Locusts!
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Since: Mar 12

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#1 Aug 3, 2012
Just for the viewers, lets see who the WT teaches these foul beasts happen to be?

Revelation 9
King James Version (KJV)

9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#2 Aug 3, 2012
Most Christians know the locusts' identity which is exactly opposite of what JW's are taught by the WTBTS.

Since: Mar 12

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#3 Aug 3, 2012
So the WT teaches these locusts are the 144,000 anointed, and the king set over them is Jesus.

Please someone, make some type of defense for this blasphemy!!!!

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#4 Aug 3, 2012
Kevin 321 wrote:
So the WT teaches these locusts are the 144,000 anointed, and the king set over them is Jesus.
Please someone, make some type of defense for this blasphemy!!!!
ihv over the years i have tried several times right here on this forum....

most jws arent even aware of the teaching.. and the rest of them cant defend it..

and they wont listen to reasoning.. the wt said it so somehow its the truth... and if they dont believe the wt they are told to wait on god to enlighten them to this truth
will

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#5 Aug 4, 2012
Kevin 321 wrote:
So the WT teaches these locusts are the 144,000 anointed, and the king set over them is Jesus.
Please someone, make some type of defense for this blasphemy!!!!
The churches have botched and blundered their way through the prophecies in Revelation and are clueless in their interpretations.

Anyone interested in really understanding Revelation should check out these interesting and insightful books by Jehovah's Witnesses:

Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/dp_e...

Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/re_e...
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#6 Aug 4, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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The churches have botched and blundered their way through the prophecies in Revelation and are clueless in their interpretations.
Anyone interested in really understanding Revelation should check out these interesting and insightful books by Jehovah's Witnesses:
Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/dp_e...
Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/re_e...
Who are the locusts and who is their king?
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#7 Aug 4, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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The churches have botched and blundered their way through the prophecies in Revelation and are clueless in their interpretations.
Talking about Botched and Blundered interpretations....

Check out the Watchtower Society's botched up blunders:

May 1, 1992 Watchtower
Page 11
Paragraph 10

*** Keep Close in Mind the Day of Jehovah ***

Wave upon wave of insects, most prominently locusts, devastate the land. What does this mean? Revelation 9:1-12 also speaks of a plague of locusts, sent forth by Jehovah under “a king, the angel of the abyss,” who is none other than Christ Jesus. His names Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) mean “Destruction” and “Destroyer.” These locusts picture the anointed remnant of Christians who, now in the Lord’s day, go forth to devastate Christendom’s pastures by completely exposing false religion and proclaiming Jehovah’s vengeance upon it.

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http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/finishedmyst...

The Finished Mystery (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society)

Page 155

"TWO INEFFECTIVE REFORMATION WOES"


Revelation 9:11.[And] they [had a] HAVE THEIR king [over them].— The same king as exercises general rulership over all the ecclesiastical affairs of this present evil world.
[Which is] the angel of the [bottomless pit] ABYSS.— "The prince of the power of the air." — Eph. 2:2.
Whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon.— And he is "a bad one," sure enough.— 2 Cor. 4:4.
But in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.— That is, Destroyer. But in plain English his name is Satan, the Devil.

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#8 Aug 4, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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Talking about Botched and Blundered interpretations....
Check out the Watchtower Society's botched up blunders:
May 1, 1992 Watchtower
Page 11
Paragraph 10
*** Keep Close in Mind the Day of Jehovah ***
Wave upon wave of insects, most prominently locusts, devastate the land. What does this mean? Revelation 9:1-12 also speaks of a plague of locusts, sent forth by Jehovah under “a king, the angel of the abyss,” who is none other than Christ Jesus. His names Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) mean “Destruction” and “Destroyer.” These locusts picture the anointed remnant of Christians who, now in the Lord’s day, go forth to devastate Christendom’s pastures by completely exposing false religion and proclaiming Jehovah’s vengeance upon it.
~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/finishedmyst...
The Finished Mystery (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society)
Page 155
"TWO INEFFECTIVE REFORMATION WOES"
Revelation 9:11.[And] they [had a] HAVE THEIR king [over them].— The same king as exercises general rulership over all the ecclesiastical affairs of this present evil world.
[Which is] the angel of the [bottomless pit] ABYSS.— "The prince of the power of the air." — Eph. 2:2.
Whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon.— And he is "a bad one," sure enough.— 2 Cor. 4:4.
But in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.— That is, Destroyer. But in plain English his name is Satan, the Devil.
Another of their outdated teachings. Amazing how they can go from Satan to Jesus and the 144,000.
Wendy in Illinois

Skokie, IL

#9 Aug 4, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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Who are the locusts and who is their king?
He won't give you a clear answer because if he tells you the truth about what they teach, it sounds so outrageous and they know it. It is a self fulfilling prophecy about themselves. Their king is Abbadon of the bottomless pit, coming out of the smoke of the abyss along with the locusts who come out of the pit. Anything out of the pit is bad and nobody who is sane can deny it.

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#10 Aug 4, 2012
Wendy in Illinois wrote:
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He won't give you a clear answer because if he tells you the truth about what they teach, it sounds so outrageous and they know it. It is a self fulfilling prophecy about themselves. Their king is Abbadon of the bottomless pit, coming out of the smoke of the abyss along with the locusts who come out of the pit. Anything out of the pit is bad and nobody who is sane can deny it.
Wendy says the teaching sounds "outrageous". Well I invite READERS to judge for themselves!

Here is the teaching that Wendy says is "outrageous"!

Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/re_e...

Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/dp_e...

I say they are fascinating and very insightful.
Wendy in Illinois

Skokie, IL

#12 Aug 4, 2012
ASV translation

Job 26:6 says:

Sheol is naked before [God], And Abaddon hath no covering.

Proverbs 15:11 says:

Sheol and Abaddon are before Jehovah: How much more then the hearts of the children of men!

Proverbs 27:20 says

Sheol and Abaddon are never satisfied; And the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Revelation 9:11 says:

They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek [tongue] he hath the name Apollyon.

Yep, Abaddon is Jesus to JWs. What on earth does that tell you? And they admit they are the locusts out of Abaddon's pit....what does that tell you?
Tao itness

United States

#13 Aug 4, 2012
Judas was called the son of destruction. The angel of the abyss is none other than Satan. If you read Joel from beggining to end you will see its the army that arrise bringing world war 3. I am a little rusty on this so I'm going back to do some reading. This explaination,even when I was a JW MADE no sense. In both revelation and Joel in it clearly talking about literal armies.
Tao itness

United States

#14 Aug 4, 2012
The locusts are used to punish Gods wayward people. So here is the delima JWS run into by refusing to admit they may be in need discipline. God uses the locust army to devastate His people,so by refusing to admit they may be judged adversely by God,they make Christendom His people who repent and humbly seek Jehovah!:ust read Joel chap 1&2 -its there in black and white!
Tao itness

United States

#15 Aug 4, 2012
Gareth have you truly read the WT explaination of Revelation? Just one explaination shows how egocentric and dishonest they are. The trumpets of God are said to be pamphlets JW HAVE GIVEN OUT!_The problem is these pamphlets are full of teachings that are full of teachings that have been proven untrue or the WT has dis carded itself! What an affront to God saying the trumpets announcing Gods judgements are false decrees of men! Truly BLASPHEMOUS! AND YOU TOUT THIS AS INSIGHTFUL GARETH! Shame on you!
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#16 Aug 4, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Wendy says the teaching sounds "outrageous". Well I invite READERS to judge for themselves!
Here is the teaching that Wendy says is "outrageous"!
Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/re_e...
Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/dp_e...
I say they are fascinating and very insightful.
The reason that you find them fascinating and very insightful is because you are a braindead JW PR rep

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#17 Aug 4, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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The churches have botched and blundered their way through the prophecies in Revelation and are clueless in their interpretations.
Anyone interested in really understanding Revelation should check out these interesting and insightful books by Jehovah's Witnesses:
Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/dp_e...
Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/re_e...
ihv actually i no tonly checked them out I ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE REV BOOK cost me 3 bucks... well it was suggested i give that much for it...

but it was worth the three bucks for research purposes.. found something really interesting in it... and i quote:

The Great Crowd Makes Its Appearance
17 From the time of the apostle John and on into the Lord’s day, anointed Christians were puzzled as to the identity of the great crowd. It is fitting, then, that one of the 24 elders, representing anointed ones already in heaven, should stir John’s thinking by raising a pertinent question.“And in response one of the elders said to me:‘These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?’ So right away I said to him:‘My lord, you are the one that knows.’”(Revelation 7:13, 14a) Yes, that elder could locate the answer and give it to John. This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today. For their part, those of the John class on earth got to learn the identity of the great crowd by closely observing what Jehovah was performing in their midst. They were quick to appreciate the dazzling flash of divine light that emblazoned the theocratic firmament in 1935, at Jehovah’s due time.

the part that really shocked me was this one sentence:
"This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today"

THEY ADMIT TO SPIRITISM!!!!!!!!!!

YEP they sure do cause if you study what they say about spiritism this is the perfect example// WOW

also notice they claim they "MAY BE INVOLVED" in othr words folks the admit to be getting "flashes of light" but they really dont know for sure who its from.. again WOWOWOW..

but not suprizing because rutherford claimed he could have been getting information from repenting demons or nephalim...

yet its a great read of garbage and in your face lies about themselves
will

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#18 Aug 4, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Wendy says the teaching sounds "outrageous". Well I invite READERS to judge for themselves!
Here is the teaching that Wendy says is "outrageous"!
Revelation—Its Grand Climax At Hand!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/re_e...
Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy!
http://www.jw-media.org/rus/publications/dp_e...
I say they are fascinating and very insightful.
ihv quit trying to sell books and YOU TELL US who you think it this fallen angel?? REMEMBER ITS A FALLEN ANGEL..
are you afraid to discuss this with us or what?
will

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#19 Aug 4, 2012
Wendy in Illinois wrote:
ASV translation
Job 26:6 says:
Sheol is naked before [God], And Abaddon hath no covering.
Proverbs 15:11 says:
Sheol and Abaddon are before Jehovah: How much more then the hearts of the children of men!
Proverbs 27:20 says
Sheol and Abaddon are never satisfied; And the eyes of man are never satisfied.
Revelation 9:11 says:
They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek [tongue] he hath the name Apollyon.
Yep, Abaddon is Jesus to JWs. What on earth does that tell you? And they admit they are the locusts out of Abaddon's pit....what does that tell you?
ihv great explanation.. thanks wendy
will

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Since: Dec 07

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#20 Aug 4, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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The reason that you find them fascinating and very insightful is because you are a braindead JW PR rep
ihv absolutely.. i sometimes wonder how much these people here get paid to try to confuse issues and mislead ?
will
Tao itness

United States

#21 Aug 4, 2012
Anerin (Gareth),I think,is in fear. He is not a baptised JW AND thinks by defending them God will give him a pass. Just my observation since he seems sincere but the proof thats been shown here on different subjects,he is either suffering from a single digit IQ or has been totally brainwashed into beleiving this org holds his eternal life in their hands.

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