little lamb

Australia

#123 Oct 28, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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Why do come on this board complaining about Christians who expose the false doctrines of the Jehovah's Witnesses and then in the next breath condemn Jehovah's Witnesses and expose their false doctrines just like the Christians that you complain about are doing?
Don't you think that is being a little hypocritical, to say the least or has God prescribed a different set of standards for you?
Your problem is you see people as either being on this side or being on that side of THE TRUTH.

I believe we must all love TRUTH

That means we must be pretty clear on what TRUTH is to start with

Jesus said " Gods WORD is TRUTH", He bore faithful witness to THE TRUTH so Jesus is the TRUTH.

he didn't say any group including your own is TRUTH.

And in the case of TRUTH..sometimes this side is right and this side is wrong..and sometimes all sides are wrong

its a case of loving truth in the inward parts.

Thats what you have such a hard time with..Only Gods word is the measuring line.

Test the inspired utterance to see if it comes from God...You are supposed to do that with everyone, not just the side you are against.
SusieB

Richland, WA

#124 Oct 29, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
Where did Jesus say he would be found?
*** Matt 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."
That's right. It is no use looking for Jesus under the bed, in the wardrobe or locked away in a small box at the bottom of the garden.
Jesus is with his congregation. He is there when you meet with true Christians.
So, in order to fond Jesus you must find the true Christians, the ones among whom Jesus exists.
Obviously then, not any old congregation will do. You have to find the right one. That is where Jesus said he would be. Jesus did not say that there were many roads leading to salvation. No. There is only one road, a narrow one and few are the people who find it:
*** Matt 7:13,14 "Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it. How narrow is the gate, and difficult is the way that leads to life! Few are those who find it.
How do we find the right congregation?
By comparing their teachings with what the Bible says. There is no other test.
Listen to God and Live Forever
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/ll_E...
What Does the Bible Really Teach?
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bh_E...
The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/gt_E...
WOW Gareth, really? Where in the bible does it say you must find the TRUE CHRISTIANS? And lets just remind everyone that your false leaders claim only THEY are the TRUE CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION. So in essence everyone else including you are FALSE CHRISTIANS.

Jesus said "For where there are 2 or 3 gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst."

He didn't say where there are 2 or 3 TRUE CHRISTIANS gathered together in my name!

JW's do NOT gather together in Jesus name, but in the name of Jehovah's Witnesses...nice try though.
Lets reason

Schofield, WI

#125 Oct 29, 2012
SusieB wrote:
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WOW Gareth, really? Where in the bible does it say you must find the TRUE CHRISTIANS? And lets just remind everyone that your false leaders claim only THEY are the TRUE CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION. So in essence everyone else including you are FALSE CHRISTIANS.
Jesus said "For where there are 2 or 3 gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst."
He didn't say where there are 2 or 3 TRUE CHRISTIANS gathered together in my name!
JW's do NOT gather together in Jesus name, but in the name of Jehovah's Witnesses...nice try though.
Excellent Point..

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#126 Oct 29, 2012
SusieB wrote:
Jesus said "For where there are 2 or 3 gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst."
He didn't say where there are 2 or 3 TRUE CHRISTIANS gathered together in my name!
That's right Susie, Jesus is there wherever FALSE CHRISTIANS gather in his name. Nicely deduced. Your Bible comprehension is second to none. Your powers of reasoning... off the scale!

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#127 Oct 29, 2012
SusieB wrote:
Jesus said "For where there are 2 or 3 gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst."
He didn't say where there are 2 or 3 TRUE CHRISTIANS gathered together in my name!
Now, for those who care to know.

The key phrase here is "in my name". It does not simply mean that the people gathering talk about Jesus a lot.

No.

The phrase "in my name" actually means "by my authority".

So the very fact that the Christians are gathering "in [Jesus'] name" means that they MUST be TRUE Christians, Christians whom Jesus accepts as his followers.

So the scriptures is saying that whenever Jesus Christ's true disciples gather, then Jesus Christ himself is with them.

Therefore to be with Jesus you must find his true disciples - those Christians who Jesus Christ himself is leading as head of their congregation.
Lets reason

Schofield, WI

#128 Oct 29, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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That's right Susie, Jesus is there wherever FALSE CHRISTIANS gather in his name. Nicely deduced. Your Bible comprehension is second to none. Your powers of reasoning... off the scale!
Too bad Jesus Does'nt think so, can't wait until you Finally meet him and you can tell him this to his face when you die..

Good luck loser.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#129 Oct 29, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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Your problem is you see people as either being on this side or being on that side of THE TRUTH.
I believe we must all love TRUTH
That means we must be pretty clear on what TRUTH is to start with
Jesus said " Gods WORD is TRUTH", He bore faithful witness to THE TRUTH so Jesus is the TRUTH.
he didn't say any group including your own is TRUTH.
And in the case of TRUTH..sometimes this side is right and this side is wrong..and sometimes all sides are wrong
its a case of loving truth in the inward parts.
Thats what you have such a hard time with..Only Gods word is the measuring line.
Test the inspired utterance to see if it comes from God...You are supposed to do that with everyone, not just the side you are against.
Are you denying that you come on this board complaining about Christians who expose the false doctrines of the Jehovah's Witnesses and then in the next breath condemn Jehovah's Witnesses and expose their false doctrines just like the Christians that you complain about are doing?
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#130 Oct 29, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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Your problem is you see people as either being on this side or being on that side of THE TRUTH.
I believe we must all love TRUTH
That means we must be pretty clear on what TRUTH is to start with.
little lamb,

Is this TRUTH or is it FALSE?...

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
John 1:1-2

“Christmas ONLY for Christians!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#131 Oct 29, 2012
Once the spurious addition of the fake, fabricated name jehovah is removed from the New Testament it is very clear that;
Jesus is the name borne witness to, not the fake, fabricated name jehovah!

Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said to him: "Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel."

Acts 1:8 "YOU will be witnesses of me (Jesus) both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·deŽa and Sa·marŽi·a and to the most distant part of the earth."

Jesus is the name used to expel demons, not the fake, fabricated name jehovah!

Mark 9:38-39 "John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us." But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;"

Jesus is the subject of the kingdom good news, not the fake, fabricated name jehovah!

Galatians 1:7 "But it is not another; only there are certain ones who are causing YOU trouble and wanting to pervert the good news about the Christ."

Jesus name invokes persecution, not the fake, fabricated name jehovah! Yet jehovah's witnesses falsely claim their persecution in the name of jehovah fulfills prophecy.

Matthew 24:9 "Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name."

Jesus is the means of salvation, not the fake, fabricated name jehovah!

Acts 4:12 "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

As their name implies, jehovah's witnesses predominant focus is on preaching about the fake, fabricated name jehovah while the message of the New Testament was to be witnesses of Jesus.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#132 Oct 29, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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little lamb,
Is this TRUTH or is it FALSE?...
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
John 1:1-2
*** John 1:1. In the beginning the Word existed. The Word existed in the presence of God, and the Word was a divine being. 2. This one existed in the beginning with God.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#133 Oct 29, 2012
the jw asked me to go to her kh for meetings but i rejected.

i feel it's the wrong sheep pen.
little lamb

Australia

#134 Oct 29, 2012
apple wrote:
the jw asked me to go to her kh for meetings but i rejected.
i feel it's the wrong sheep pen.
Scripture tells us " now you are Christs Body and members individually " So we don't have to 'go' anywhere

False prophets say " come here or there" Jesus said " Don't go after them"

Jesus tells us to " gather together"

There is a difference in gathering with others who believe in Christ and being told to go to an "official church"

Difference is.. when you gather with other believers, you do so because of the love each one has for the other, and all bring their gifts and share..when you 'go' to an official church you have to fit in with a program.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#135 Oct 29, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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Scripture tells us " now you are Christs Body and members individually " So we don't have to 'go' anywhere
False prophets say " come here or there" Jesus said " Don't go after them"
Jesus tells us to " gather together"
There is a difference in gathering with others who believe in Christ and being told to go to an "official church"
Difference is.. when you gather with other believers, you do so because of the love each one has for the other, and all bring their gifts and share..when you 'go' to an official church you have to fit in with a program.
i see..
SusieB

Richland, WA

#136 Oct 30, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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That's right Susie, Jesus is there wherever FALSE CHRISTIANS gather in his name. Nicely deduced. Your Bible comprehension is second to none. Your powers of reasoning... off the scale!
Hey spanks Gareth! Come on now, don't get your feathers ruffled and don't climb on my back over this bit of idiocy little buddy, after all its the writings and teachings of YOUR own beloved false leaders :)

Jesus lets anyone gather together in His name...its called free will or did you forget? Has nothing to do with gathering by His authority...that doesn't even make sense, but nicely deduced. YOUR bible comprehension [and common sense] is truly second to none. Your powers of reasoning...from the GB/FDS.
Hahaha...off the scale!
SusieB

Richland, WA

#137 Oct 30, 2012
apple wrote:
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i see..
Hey Hi there! How are you doing? I need to send you an email and catch up. Sending love and hugs to you and your family =)
SusieB

Richland, WA

#138 Oct 30, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Now, for those who care to know.
The key phrase here is "in my name". It does not simply mean that the people gathering talk about Jesus a lot.
No.
The phrase "in my name" actually means "by my authority".
So the very fact that the Christians are gathering "in [Jesus'] name" means that they MUST be TRUE Christians, Christians whom Jesus accepts as his followers.
So the scriptures is saying that whenever Jesus Christ's true disciples gather, then Jesus Christ himself is with them.
Therefore to be with Jesus you must find his true disciples - those Christians who Jesus Christ himself is leading as head of their congregation.
OH GARETH! You had better be careful...
Many people have heard the GOOD NEWS ABOUT JESUS but weren't Christians. They gathered together to discuss Him and the bible and became born again Christians.
Since they werent already Christians you would want us to believe they had NO AUTHORITY to gather in Jesus name to learn about Him and offer praise to Him?
So you want us to believe people have to search for Jesus disciples? Another lie being taught by a false religions lying and deceitful leaders!!!
Shame on you!
Jiohn 3:16 says Jesus died for the WHOLE WORLD...so stop lying! That gives EVERYONE the authority to gather in His name if they so choose...and NO MAN or MEN can ever tell us diffrent. If they do we know they are false, and thats what Gods word tells us!
So go ahead and follow those apostate men and be an apostate yourself, but as for the rest of us who truly gather in JESUS NAME, we will put our faith in Him and serve Him and that is just another thing that brings glory to God.

Gareth, a question; what does ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON THE EARTH mean to you? Just how much authority does that give Jesus????

Since: Aug 10

Dunbar, UK

#139 Oct 30, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
*** John 1:1. In the beginning the Word existed. The Word existed in the presence of God, and the Word was a divine being. 2. This one existed in the beginning with God.
Are you acknowledging that the Word of God is divine [Greek: theos]?
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#140 Oct 30, 2012
SusieB wrote:
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Hey Hi there! How are you doing? I need to send you an email and catch up. Sending love and hugs to you and your family =)
fine, thank you.

kim

San Diego, CA

#141 Oct 30, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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That's right Susie, Jesus is there wherever FALSE CHRISTIANS gather in his name. Nicely deduced. Your Bible comprehension is second to none. Your powers of reasoning... off the scale!
Jesus would never be there among false christians. They are like the Pharasees.
hummmm

Fullerton, CA

#142 Oct 30, 2012
SusieB wrote:
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Hey Hi there! How are you doing? I need to send you an email and catch up. Sending love and hugs to you and your family =)
Interesting.

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