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UNchained

Maryville, TN

#469 Sep 12, 2012
UNchained wrote:

Are there any sentences, phrases or paragraphs contained in any Watchtower Study Article that were NOT delightful, correct words of truth when the article was studied in the kingdom halls of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Aneirin wrote:
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They have never claimed that every single word was without error.

They always claimed that errors are possible.

1970s: In this regard, however, it must be observed that this “faithful and discreet slave” was never inspired, never perfect. Those writings by certain members of the “slave” class that came to form the Christian part of God’s Word were inspired and infallible, but that is not true of other writings since.
Then why do they say?:

First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.” By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided “at the proper time”—through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions—we can be sure that we maintain “oneness” with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.
August 1, 2001 Watchtower
Page 14

Moreover, Jehovah provides spiritual food and theocratic direction through “the faithful and discreet slave.”
November 15, 1999 Watchtower
Page 18
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#470 Sep 12, 2012
UNchained wrote:
UNchained wrote:
Are there any sentences, phrases or paragraphs contained in any Watchtower Study Article that were NOT delightful, correct words of truth when the article was studied in the kingdom halls of Jehovah's Witnesses?
<quoted text>
Then why do they say?:
First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.” By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided “at the proper time”—through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions—we can be sure that we maintain “oneness” with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.
August 1, 2001 Watchtower
Page 14
Moreover, Jehovah provides spiritual food and theocratic direction through “the faithful and discreet slave.”
November 15, 1999 Watchtower
Page 18
The WTS very own words prove themselves liars and hypocrites. They condemn themselves and their followers follow along till they fall off the cliff like lemming with not a thought in their heads about truth of scriptures.That unity has nothing to do with following Jesus but all to do with men who has control over their beliefs and life.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#471 Sep 12, 2012
Not-A-Goat wrote:
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Oh, it's easy to throw out worthless claims like the above, isn't it?
However, we all know the truth, don't we?
The truth is that Watchtower Society worshipers are commanded to agree with every single thing the Watchtower Society says or face the threat of shunning, ostracizing, and condemnation to death.
You can make all the "we're not infallible" throw-away claims you want.
But when you threaten anyone who disagrees with you then your true haughty, power-hungry nature shines through brightly.
The Governing Pharisees do believe they are infallible. If they didn't, they wouldn't threaten anyone who disagrees with them or realizes their claims are false.
This is absolutely not true.

You do NOT have to agree with everything. You simply have to RESPECT the teachings of the congregation and you must NOT teach against it, as that would be going against clear Bible instructions.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#472 Sep 12, 2012
UNchained wrote:
UNchained wrote:
Are there any sentences, phrases or paragraphs contained in any Watchtower Study Article that were NOT delightful, correct words of truth when the article was studied in the kingdom halls of Jehovah's Witnesses?
<quoted text>
Then why do they say?:
First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.” By regularly taking in the spiritual food provided “at the proper time”—through Christian publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions—we can be sure that we maintain “oneness” with fellow Christians in faith and knowledge.
August 1, 2001 Watchtower
Page 14
Moreover, Jehovah provides spiritual food and theocratic direction through “the faithful and discreet slave.”
November 15, 1999 Watchtower
Page 18
That simply says we should strive to learn all that the congregation teaches so that we can achieve the oneness of faith that the BIBLE says the Christian congregation should have.

*** Eph 4:11 He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, SHEPHERDS and TEACHERS;

*** Eph 4:12 for the perfecting of the saints, to the work of serving, to the building up of the body of Christ;

*** Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

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#473 Sep 12, 2012
Veritas 69 wrote:
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You act, answer, rise questions and make conclusions like a Moron...:HUH:
Who have granted the GBs to judge what is sin for anothers conscience or not and that they owns the right to judge anybody andput sanctions to their man made doctries... e.g. vaccinatons was the act of satan...?
You haven't shown us all so far, when and from where they have been grandted with any authority and that they can get use of mind control, threats and with sanctions... to train others conscience... and judge individuls as apostates and that a person have rejected God... not follwing and accepting their weird evil and man made doctrines 1 Corinthians 10:29-31 and further...
29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
In other words you will dodge this question forever in this thread. Got it.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

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#474 Sep 12, 2012
UNchained wrote:
Not-A-Goat wrote:
Did the apostles write false teachings under the claim of inspiration
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We will also increase our joy if we prayerfully and diligently study God's spirit-inspired Word and Christian publications prepared under the spirit's guidance.
March 15, 1992 Watchtower
Pages 21-22
What an exciting message they proclaimed—“Millions now living will never die!” Brother Rutherford had given a discourse on this subject in 1918. It was also the title of a 128-page booklet published in 1920. From 1920 through 1925, that same subject was featured again and again around the world in public meetings in all areas where speakers were available and in upwards of 30 languages.
Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom
Page 425
So basically the publications are not inspired of God like the bible was. Got it! The bible was inspired of God, inspired by his spirit. Being guided by his spirit does not mean we are claiming inspiration like the bible had. In fact we have specifically stated otherwise.

Awake 93 3/22 4 :-

Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say,‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said:“We have not the gift of prophecy.”(January 1883, page 425)“Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.”(December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.”(May 15, 1947, page 157)“The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.”(August 15, 1950, page 263)“The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers.(2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views.(Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#475 Sep 12, 2012
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> So basically the publications are not inspired of God like the bible was. Got it! The bible was inspired of God, inspired by his spirit. Being guided by his spirit does not mean we are claiming inspiration like the bible had. In fact we have specifically stated otherwise.
Awake 93 3/22 4 :-
Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say,‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said:“We have not the gift of prophecy.”(January 1883, page 425)“Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.”(December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.”(May 15, 1947, page 157)“The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.”(August 15, 1950, page 263)“The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers.(2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views.(Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.
It is not the eagerness on the part of JW's to believe what they are taught to believe is God's truth it is the WTS/GB demand that they, the WTS/GB , are the mouthpiece of God then therefore they must believe what the WTS says is from God himself.
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If any disagrees with the WT they are said to be apostate, meaning they have left God himself.
That is equating what the WT says with what God says and that is therefore claiming infallibility and then they cannot claim fallibility when the WT predictions fail to come true and claim that it was preached as a possibility when it was preached as Gods' truth and must be believed or be disf and shunned as an apostate.
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Matt7:15-20
atch out for false prophets.(A) They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.(B) 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.(C) Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?(D) 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.(E) 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.(F) 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
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What were the fruits of the 1925 prediction? Did millions not die? Did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob return?
Bad fruit of a false prediction and a false teaching. and this is repeated over and over.
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JW's if you are listening to God of the scriptures you will leave this false prophet who calls themselves the voice of God that teach falsely as they teach you to follow them as they talk out of both sides of their mouth just like Satan does.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#476 Sep 12, 2012
Jehovah's Witnesses,

The Watchtower Society demands that their followers have complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.”
August 1, 2001 Watchtower
Page 14

Now along comes Aneirin/Gareth and his crew who say that the Watchtower Society never said their leaders are inspired.

All well and good until you read "he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.”

Think about it...

The Watchtower Society's leaders AKA the Governing Body DBA “the faithful and discreet slave” have placed themselves on the same level as "Jehovah God" and Jesus.

Now it that ain't being inspired and spirit directed then what is?

Since: Jun 10

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#477 Sep 13, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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That simply says we should strive to learn all that the congregation teaches so that we can achieve the oneness of faith that the BIBLE says the Christian congregation should have.
*** Eph 4:11 He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, SHEPHERDS and TEACHERS;
*** Eph 4:12 for the perfecting of the saints, to the work of serving, to the building up of the body of Christ;
*** Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
So where can we read in the Scriptures, that every single individual have been granted with the same task, going from door to door...?

Furthermore where can we read that our faith shall be based att the GBs man made ever shifting weird and evil doctrines...?

What happens, if a member doesn't agree in their doctrines and teachings, when they are e.g. going from door to door... and how can they defend the GBs doctrines if they don't agree... lie or keep their mouth shut up... in opposite case they will be cast out of their relligion... stamped and classified as apostates and as persons which have turned their back to God and have lost their chance for everlasting life and will be destroyed in Armageddon...?:HUH:

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#478 Sep 13, 2012
UNchained wrote:
Now it that ain't being inspired and spirit directed then what is?
Certainly not your command of the English language or your reading comprehension skills (or lack thereof).
dr of religion

Winnetka, IL

#479 Sep 13, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Certainly not your command of the English language or your reading comprehension skills (or lack thereof).
I noticed when a jw is caught in a corner and cant answer they attack grammar.Very interesting yet telling? UUUMMMM?
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#480 Sep 13, 2012
dr of religion wrote:
<quoted text> I noticed when a jw is caught in a corner and cant answer they attack grammar.Very interesting yet telling? UUUMMMM?
Gareth is soooo light in the pants.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#481 Oct 8, 2012
The Revenge of Brother Fred Franz:

http://templelijah.wordpress.com/the-end/dani...
Daniel a Slave of Christ

Odessa, TX

#482 Oct 9, 2012
WTS members are taught from their leaders to beat down their opponents in a religious battle called Theocratic Warfare. The are also taught to hate false religion and judge anyone in it as deserving of death by God for not being in their ark of salvation the WTS.

Moreover, they are inoculated with fear of the world, that is, being contaminated by its uncleanness. Subsequently, they are fear driven mentally diseased over being perfect and clean from those that would make them unclean.

Now if anyone of us was to teach our family those same so called WTS truth(s), should we be surprised that they would turn upon each other with in days! Moreover, imagine if you can; this conduct by members is called loyal love to the WTS.

Now having said that these simple statements does not affect a WTS member at all they will just justify this evil conduct as good conduct because they sincerely believe they are doing a sacred service for God in attaching and putting out of their family members that don't agree with their teachings.

Once more if you educated any family in the world with such thoughts and demanded exclusive loyalty to those teachings threatening with losing your family for not obeying the rules, how long would it be before all forms of abusive would happen?

Furthermore, this great experimentation has been tried throughout the history of mankind in totalitarianism and its fruits can be read by any human on earth if they so choose know. The deception for members of the WTS is calling it from God, as righteous and clean, when in fact God's words does not teach that at all, what it teaches is this.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And this is why WTS members have such difficulty because they cannot put away the filth of their flesh by rules and laws of the WTS society, but they have yet to connect the dots. Instead the lie too themselves with the “good principle” of wanting to be obedient to WTS righteousness, why denying the incongruous actions going on in their own life when they are not at meetings, this believing the lie cause all sorts of mental issues hid from themselves and others to appear outwardly righteous as though they by rules and laws have put away the filth of their own flesh.

http://jwsstraighttalk.squarespace.com/discus...
jacqie

Levittown, PA

#483 Oct 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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Now what about the rest of the list? It never said these things were good or bad, it says it is what JWs cannot do. Of course we know that some of those things no real Christians would do, but there are many that are nothing more than just man made rules to keep YOU in line, there is no real biblical backing for them.
I noticed that, you listed more that goes under 111 Engage in idolatry. Why, was that so your list would be bigger?

Sneaky
Bonoew

Singapore, Singapore

#484 Oct 9, 2012
UNchained wrote:
Something that I learned as a Jehovah's Witness is that the Watchtower Society is deeply concerned with things JW's are not supposed to do and get them to focus on the dont's.
When a person focuses on the "dont's" they focus on the temptations.
Eve focused on the dont's and look at where it got her.
. What rubbish is that? Old woman love meddling in jws biz

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#485 Oct 31, 2012
Daniel a Slave of Christ wrote:
Furthermore, this great experimentation has been tried throughout the history of mankind in totalitarianism and its fruits can be read by any human on earth if they so choose know. The deception for members of the WTS is calling it from God, as righteous and clean, when in fact God's words does not teach that at all, what it teaches is this.
But that is why we do not look to a man, groups of men, armies of men, or whole nations and a planet of men, men are fallen into sin;

So, like Israel (Hosea), men can turn wicked, but not the whole (Rev8);

Rather than get derailed watching an org, we use the tools God has provided to share the truth of the bible with others, in spite of all you guys say, you are the ones judging the whole world, past, present and future to a hell-fire;

But no such thing even exists!

So, like a cocoon we understand that xGB experiments, and physical "orgamosaic law" experiments and all that will, gladly, fail, or else Christ died for nothing if man could actually save himself - alas he cannot;

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Hence we are happy to announce the the Divine Temple, Kingdom, Holy City and Bride is NOT an experiment, but PERFECT in love, wisdom, power, mercy, justice and righteousness and all those good things, and it will NOT be made subject to human folly EVER;

And in that 144000 "body" completion under Jesus Christ King of kings, is the answer to all these poor human org follies, that in a million billion years in Adam, man never could do ANYTHING correctly;

And God knows that;

Hence in God's will for earth, the Christ and 144000 are almost here in total completion of temple, and that is all she, the bride, wrote;

THAT is what we focus on!

Temple inspection (now), leads to temple cleanse as per Dan8:11-14 later, priesthood clean-up as per zech 3 parallel with that 2300 units (1150 days), to visitation completion (Isa66:6), to the 1260 day finality of the "two witnesses" FINAL ministry, to temple and kingdom completion; Rev11:15-19;

That is how close it all is!

And that replaces ALL Satanic and human follies; Permanently; (including the churches who are removed in approximately the 1260 by the wildbeast, before Christ even shows up after the 1260; Matt24:29-31)

So, their rapture mythology does not exactly fit the Biblical timeline;

The Temple 144000 will complete very soon anyhow;

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