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Are Jehovah's Witnesses the modern day Sect of Nicolaus?

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Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#1 Jun 6, 2010
The sect of Nicolaus as mentioned in the book of Revelation was hated by Jesus. There isn’t much detail as to what this sect actually did or taught but there are some clues as to what may have been the case. Research has revealed that the congregations may have been threatened by some bad men right from within the Christian congregation. These men were interested in ruling or trying to lord it over their Christian brothers by conquering or subjecting them at all sorts of rules and policies that neither God nor Jesus ever intended. Jesus condemned these men for they were trying to undermine the spiritual freedom that he had given his disciples and enslave them spiritually. He commended those faithful disciples who would not submit to them in any way.

Rev. 2:6 Still, you do have this, that you hate the deeds of the sect of Nic•o•la´us, which I also hate.

....and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars. 5 So you, also, have those holding fast the teaching of the sect of Nic•o•la´us likewise. 16 Therefore repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war with them with the long sword of my mouth.

Rev.3:9 Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look! I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and make them know I have loved you.(Interestingly, the Nicolaus mentioned in Acts chapter 6 wasn’t a Jew but a proselyte. Could he possibly be responsible for the teachings of this sect?)

Likewise today, there are many religious organizations that consider themselves Christian but one in particular that has enacted multitudes of rules and policies that have enslaved the people of God. When members of this sect finally realize what they have unwittingly joined and what is actually taking place, they may attempt to take a stand and point these things out but unfortunately they end up being disfellowshiped or expelled from the group.

Your thoughts please.

Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#2 Jun 6, 2010
Who were the mysterious people called
NICOLAITANS whose practices God HATES?



"But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.." (Revelation 2:6, NKJV)

"But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. " (Revelation 2:6, NIV)

When our Lord Jesus Christ walked among men, He taught His disciples to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, whom He denounced as hypocrites. With them He classed the chief priests and officials of the temple, together with the recognized teachers,(scribes, or "professors", Ferrar Fenton Translation) in the synagogues. He declared they had so corrupted the truth of God, which they were supposed to preach, with the doctrines and ordinances of men, that the truth, as originally given, was no longer with them. That which these blind leaders of the blind were giving forth as truth of God was making their converts twofold more the children of hell than they were before accepting the schism by these corrupt teachers.
The Vanity of Church Leadership

Therefore, as a warning to those who were joining themselves to Him, the Lord said that these non-spiritual men made long prayers for a pretense, a public show which, while having a form of humility, was for the purpose only of being seen of men. What these men really loved were the highest seats in the synagogues; the uppermost rooms at the public feasts; the greetings they received in the market places from truly humble and sincere men, whom they hoped would esteem them as superiors, and who addressed them as "Rabbi, Rabbi," meaning "My master, My master":

"Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying:'The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.'

"'For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men,'Rabbi, Rabbi.'' " (Matthew 23:1-7, NKJV throughout)

Check this:
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/why-does-g...
jace

Alexandria, VA

#3 Jun 6, 2010
Naw, hey man you make the wt way too dramatic

they are merely an American book publishing corporation with 7 mill foot soliders hawking their wares- they merely print religious Genre books

no bible fullfillment, no prophecy fullfillment, just a great business idea started by Russel, perfected by Rutherford and kept alive the by the corp leadership that followered

man for all practical purposes, we worked for Walmart, hawking the WT corp books didn't make us any closer to God than some dude selling Fuller Brushes

we got Pimped, hoodwinked and bamboozled just like the dudes over at sciencetologist

Ron was a fiction writer who realized he could hawk alot of books and stuff

Fred Franz was in my view the best Fiction Writer the WT has ever had

when you consider how freddy made up all those anti-types out of thin air, man you got to be goood

since his death the wt has not had a really good new idea or concept COME OUT OF THE WRITTING DEPT

Look at how they jacked up the generation dogma, if that was Freddy he at least could make it sound reasonable today the WT writers reprint and move the furniture around the house and swear out they have a new how now

so don't feel you got to come up with some heavy duty bible fullfillment

man we got played by a late night INFORMERCIAL
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#4 Jun 6, 2010
There ain't nothin' speshul about the JW cult.

The only thing they have going for them is their ability to scare folks into believing that if they don't associate with the Governing Body they are going to be bird food in 1914...1925...1941...1975 uhhh uhhh SOON SOON SOON

.
..
JJJ

Australia

#5 Jun 6, 2010
jace wrote:
Naw, hey man you make the wt way too dramatic
they are merely an American book publishing corporation with 7 mill foot soliders hawking their wares- they merely print religious Genre books
no bible fullfillment, no prophecy fullfillment, just a great business idea started by Russel, perfected by Rutherford and kept alive the by the corp leadership that followered
man for all practical purposes, we worked for Walmart, hawking the WT corp books didn't make us any closer to God than some dude selling Fuller Brushes
we got Pimped, hoodwinked and bamboozled just like the dudes over at sciencetologist
Ron was a fiction writer who realized he could hawk alot of books and stuff
Fred Franz was in my view the best Fiction Writer the WT has ever had
when you consider how freddy made up all those anti-types out of thin air, man you got to be goood
since his death the wt has not had a really good new idea or concept COME OUT OF THE WRITTING DEPT
Look at how they jacked up the generation dogma, if that was Freddy he at least could make it sound reasonable today the WT writers reprint and move the furniture around the house and swear out they have a new how now
so don't feel you got to come up with some heavy duty bible fullfillment
man we got played by a late night INFORMERCIAL
I agree Jace..... but would add that along the way they become 'captives of concept'........ the concept that themsleves created.

Most are true believers when in fact like all religions that INSIST that they that have been chosen as the only TRUE religion......

It's a delusional belief.
jace

Alexandria, VA

#6 Jun 6, 2010
UNchained wrote:
There ain't nothin' speshul about the JW cult.
The only thing they have going for them is their ability to scare folks into believing that if they don't associate with the Governing Body they are going to be bird food in 1914...1925...1941...1975 uhhh uhhh SOON SOON SOON
.
..
Bingo!!!

some former jw and i have totally disagree often attempt to paint the Wt Corp as if its some enity of Bibical porportion- man they are just a book selling company

once you realize that everything else falls in place

they used to call the congo "COMPANIES" COME ON man!!

ELDERS ARE local managers, CO and DO regional managers in the field

the fact they sprinkle a little "Ole Time Religion" don't mean jACK!!!!!!!!!!
jace

Alexandria, VA

#7 Jun 6, 2010
JJJ wrote:
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I agree Jace..... but would add that along the way they become 'captives of concept'........ the concept that themsleves created.
Most are true believers when in fact like all religions that INSIST that they that have been chosen as the only TRUE religion......
It's a delusional belief.
DIG IT, WHEN charlie boy started out he was doing just fine, doing is little research and publishing his findings, but the minute he went from merely student of the word TO THE SEAT OF MOSES

the wt lost it at that point

Since: Feb 09

Kansas City, MO

#8 Jun 6, 2010
jace wrote:
Naw, hey man you make the wt way too dramatic
they are merely an American book publishing corporation with 7 mill foot soliders hawking their wares- they merely print religious Genre books
no bible fullfillment, no prophecy fullfillment, just a great business idea started by Russel, perfected by Rutherford and kept alive the by the corp leadership that followered
man for all practical purposes, we worked for Walmart, hawking the WT corp books didn't make us any closer to God than some dude selling Fuller Brushes
we got Pimped, hoodwinked and bamboozled just like the dudes over at sciencetologist
Ron was a fiction writer who realized he could hawk alot of books and stuff
Fred Franz was in my view the best Fiction Writer the WT has ever had
when you consider how freddy made up all those anti-types out of thin air, man you got to be goood
since his death the wt has not had a really good new idea or concept COME OUT OF THE WRITTING DEPT
Look at how they jacked up the generation dogma, if that was Freddy he at least could make it sound reasonable today the WT writers reprint and move the furniture around the house and swear out they have a new how now
so don't feel you got to come up with some heavy duty bible fullfillment
man we got played by a late night INFORMERCIAL
O yes bro, I know they aren't some fulfillment of Bible prophecy. The negative effects of being duped by that sect are real though, just like in the first century.

That's why I appreciate those who managed to see through the crap and then turn around to help others instead of running away and hiding like FH Chandler.
JJJ

Australia

#9 Jun 6, 2010
jace wrote:
<quoted text>
DIG IT, WHEN charlie boy started out he was doing just fine, doing is little research and publishing his findings, but the minute he went from merely student of the word TO THE SEAT OF MOSES
the wt lost it at that point
And that Jws is it in a nutshell.

This is why the GB of the WTBTS are held far more accountable than other religions.

To whom much is given much is expected.

The GB of the WTBTS do see themselves as appointed to their position to speak for god as opposed to being students of the bible...

The fact they will d'fd a person and call them an apostate, someone who in their mind has turned against god for simply not agreeing with one of their interpretaions.....

Can only hold true if disagreeing with them (GB) equates to taking a stand against god.

No one can refute this.

And to illustrate the absurdity of this: It is entirely possible for a JW back in 1995 to be d'fd for apostasy for insisting that the then genration interpretation (wicked generation) was in fact wrong because they believed, back then in 1995, that the current 2010 generation teaching (overlapping anointed) was correct.

Or better still...... if a Jw today stood up and insisted that the latest generation interpretaion is wrong, that the FDS have got it wrong because they believed that the 1995 interpretation was still correct......they would be designated an apostate.

Surely any reasonable minded person can see this and understand its significance in regard to to the GB/FDS claims of being gods only true channel that he is using today.
Disciple

AOL

#10 Jun 7, 2010
The WT cult programes the newbies into believing that the devil has "overcome" the Church,'so where can you go?'

Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

If we can't believe Jesus here, what other promise can we cling too?

Ephesians 3:21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

As I think back,..'they never did tell what generation it was.'

Leaving any Pastor, congregation, denomination, denom. or 'organization for false teaching and for being proved to be a false prophet, is not synonymous with leaving Jesus Christ.

Disciple
TorahKeeper12

Loganville, GA

#11 Jun 7, 2010
And so is Christianity in general--its entire body is the "sect", not just parts. This is what Christianity IS.

It is a religion of Gentiles, of Greeks and Romans. HaMashayah was a HEBREW man, not a Gentile, and he ardently spoke AGAINST the Gentiles AND their idol-worshiping religions, which is why the Greeks and Romans hated him and those who agreed with him.

Christians worship a Greek and Roman deity....
I-E-SUS (check your own Greek translation of the Authorized King James Bible (the older original) to see whose name is on those pages). This is a Greek name of a Greek god and has absolutely nothing to do with Yahudah or Ysryl--the HEBREWS. But the deception certainly is clever...
Lannymac

Eunice, LA

#12 Jun 10, 2010
TorahKeeper12 wrote:
And so is Christianity in general--its entire body is the "sect", not just parts. This is what Christianity IS.
It is a religion of Gentiles, of Greeks and Romans. HaMashayah was a HEBREW man, not a Gentile, and he ardently spoke AGAINST the Gentiles AND their idol-worshiping religions, which is why the Greeks and Romans hated him and those who agreed with him.
Christians worship a Greek and Roman deity....
I-E-SUS (check your own Greek translation of the Authorized King James Bible (the older original) to see whose name is on those pages). This is a Greek name of a Greek god and has absolutely nothing to do with Yahudah or Ysryl--the HEBREWS. But the deception certainly is clever...
He was against the Gentiles????

Lol...is that why you being a Gentile found it necessary to hijack the Jewish heritage and culture, and claim it as your own?

Based on absolutely NO scriptural or secular evidence, I must add.

Relax homey...Christ died for Jews and Gentiles.

What a ugly despicable idol god satan has deceived you into worshipping.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#13 Jun 10, 2010
*** it-2 p. 498 Nicolaus ***
.“The sect of Nicolaus”(or Nicolaitans) is condemned in two of the seven letters to the congregations in chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation. For hating “the deeds of the sect of Nicolaus,” which Christ Jesus himself also hates,“the angel” of the Ephesus congregation was commended.(Re 2:1, 6) In the congregation at Pergamum, however, there were some “holding fast the teaching of the sect of Nicolaus,” from which they were urged to turn away and repent.—Re 2:12, 15, 16.
Aside from what is here written in Revelation about the sect of Nicolaus, nothing else is known of it, either of its practices and teachings, which are condemned, or of its origin and development. The connective “so” immediately following the reference to the immoral and idolatrous course the Israelites pursued due to “the teaching of Balaam”(Re 2:14, 15) might indicate some similarity, but Revelation makes a distinction between the two. There is no reason to connect the sect with Nicolaus the Antiochian Christian (No. 1) just because he is the only person of that name in the Bible, as has also been done by some of the early church writers. Nor is it warranted to say that some apostatized sect took his name to give weight to their wrongdoing. Nicolaus was more probably a Biblically unidentified individual after whom the ungodly movement was named.

Since: Feb 09

Zebulon, NC

#14 Jun 10, 2010
Duh-boy wrote:
*** it-2 p. 498 Nicolaus ***
.“The sect of Nicolaus”(or Nicolaitans) is condemned in two of the seven letters to the congregations in chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation. For hating “the deeds of the sect of Nicolaus,” which Christ Jesus himself also hates,“the angel” of the Ephesus congregation was commended.(Re 2:1, 6) In the congregation at Pergamum, however, there were some “holding fast the teaching of the sect of Nicolaus,” from which they were urged to turn away and repent.—Re 2:12, 15, 16.
Aside from what is here written in Revelation about the sect of Nicolaus, nothing else is known of it, either of its practices and teachings, which are condemned, or of its origin and development. The connective “so” immediately following the reference to the immoral and idolatrous course the Israelites pursued due to “the teaching of Balaam”(Re 2:14, 15) might indicate some similarity, but Revelation makes a distinction between the two. There is no reason to connect the sect with Nicolaus the Antiochian Christian (No. 1) just because he is the only person of that name in the Bible, as has also been done by some of the early church writers. Nor is it warranted to say that some apostatized sect took his name to give weight to their wrongdoing. Nicolaus was more probably a Biblically unidentified individual after whom the ungodly movement was named.
Some groups claimed that Nicolaus a Jewish proselyte who became a Christian was the father of their sect. Who knows? God only.

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#15 Jun 10, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
O yes bro, I know they aren't some fulfillment of Bible prophecy. The negative effects of being duped by that sect are real though, just like in the first century.
That's why I appreciate those who managed to see through the crap and then turn around to help others instead of running away and hiding like FH Chandler.
Love you too, hater!

Since: Feb 09

Charlotte, NC

#16 Jun 10, 2010
FH Chandler wrote:
<quoted text>
Love you too, hater!
You are calling MEEEE a hater? LoL

Why for Pete's sake?

I don't hate you man - you antichrist.

You have waayyyy bigger problems than me son.

You got sum splainin' to do.
Jesus

Houston, TX

#17 Aug 2, 2010
I got a raw deal from the witnesses, but not from all. Some woke up to their ways and turned around. Unfortunately, the force of the movement makes it difficult to relate to non-witnesses. When met with opposition, a witness will become defensive in regard their belief's. This usually comes off as antagonistic to the, "Recipient," of the, "Message." Throw in a few, well internalized, scriptural references eluding to complete annihilation by our loving Creator's hand and you have the makings of a bloody mess. If you don't want to believe in a Creator, or you have a different perspective, then teach the witnesses to speak to you so that a relationship based on mutual respect is agreed upon by both parties. If a person finds himself unable to commit to a peaceful resolve, then by all means, "Exorcise sound judgement and remove yourself from the equation." Peace be to all who love the Creator of light, Jesus
Jane Doe

Norwalk, CA

#18 Dec 27, 2010
Those who truly read and study the Word of The Almighty God and His Son Jesus Christ know the truth from hearing and seeing the Almighty God Active Force at hand through His Son Jesus.
RULES: The Almighty God instructs the Shepherds of the Congregation/Church, the responsibility for caring for, guiding and teaching His Words of Bible truth. How they should walk; live, love one another, how to conduct themselves with goodness of heart, to be righteousness in all deeds, as written in the Holy Words of the Bible teachings. No Rules, JUST, The Almighty God and His Son Jesus Christ Commandments.
POLICIES: The Almighty God and His Son Jesus Christ said in His Word written for us in the entire Holy Bible Scriptures for teaching, reproving and settings ALL matters straight by our conduct and deeds. The Almighty God and His Son Jesus Christ said: Do Not Commit Adultery (having sex with someone other than your husband), Do Not Commit Fornication (having sex before marriage). Abstain From Blood (through the mouth or veins), Do Not Lie, Do Not Steal, Do Not Be A Drunk (smoking), Do Not Disrespect Your Mother or Father, Do Not A Man Lie Down With A Man As You Do With A Woman or a Woman Do Not Lie Down With A Woman As You Do With A Woman, Do Not Murder, Do Not Be Acting With Loose Conduct (Abusing The Elderly, Child Molesting, Abusing and Raping/Sodomizing Children and Adults). They said to separate yourselves from the controlling ways and the defilements of this world system of things that is controlled by Satan.
The Almighty God said:
FIRST: To Love Him With Your Whole Heart, With Your Whole Mind, With Your Whole Soul, With ALL Your Vital Strength.
SECOND: To Love Your Neighbor as yourself.(Being and acting Merciful toward them).
No Rules, No Policies, just Holy Bible Scriptures, Teaching and Commandments.
Wendy in Illinois

Hinsdale, IL

#19 Dec 27, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
The sect of Nicolaus as mentioned in the book of Revelation was hated by Jesus. There isn’t much detail as to what this sect actually did or taught but there are some clues as to what may have been the case. Research has revealed that the congregations may have been threatened by some bad men right from within the Christian congregation. These men were interested in ruling or trying to lord it over their Christian brothers by conquering or subjecting them at all sorts of rules and policies that neither God nor Jesus ever intended. Jesus condemned these men for they were trying to undermine the spiritual freedom that he had given his disciples and enslave them spiritually. He commended those faithful disciples who would not submit to them in any way.
Rev. 2:6 Still, you do have this, that you hate the deeds of the sect of Nic•o•la´us, which I also hate.
....and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars. 5 So you, also, have those holding fast the teaching of the sect of Nic•o•la´us likewise. 16 Therefore repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war with them with the long sword of my mouth.
Rev.3:9 Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look! I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and make them know I have loved you.(Interestingly, the Nicolaus mentioned in Acts chapter 6 wasn’t a Jew but a proselyte. Could he possibly be responsible for the teachings of this sect?)
Likewise today, there are many religious organizations that consider themselves Christian but one in particular that has enacted multitudes of rules and policies that have enslaved the people of God. When members of this sect finally realize what they have unwittingly joined and what is actually taking place, they may attempt to take a stand and point these things out but unfortunately they end up being disfellowshiped or expelled from the group.
Your thoughts please.
It is strange you bring this up CIA, I just posted a response to Mad JW on this verse about those that claim to be Jews but are not, on another thread because it reminded me of the Jehovah's Witness leadership who also claim to be "jews" but are not. I did not do any research though on Nicolaus so I didn't know it was a sect of many man-made rules and regulations. It does all seem to fit.
reporter

Advance, NC

#20 Dec 28, 2010
CIA Free wrote:
The sect of Nicolaus as mentioned in the book of Revelation was hated by Jesus. There isn’t much detail as to what this sect actually did or taught but there are some clues as to what may have been the case. Research has revealed that the congregations may have been threatened by some bad men right from within the Christian congregation. These men were interested in ruling or trying to lord it over their Christian brothers by conquering or subjecting them at all sorts of rules and policies that neither God nor Jesus ever intended. Jesus condemned these men for they were trying to undermine the spiritual freedom that he had given his disciples and enslave them spiritually. He commended those faithful disciples who would not submit to them in any way.
Rev. 2:6 Still, you do have this, that you hate the deeds of the sect of Nic•o•la´us, which I also hate.
....and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars. 5 So you, also, have those holding fast the teaching of the sect of Nic•o•la´us likewise. 16 Therefore repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war with them with the long sword of my mouth.
Rev.3:9 Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look! I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and make them know I have loved you.(Interestingly, the Nicolaus mentioned in Acts chapter 6 wasn’t a Jew but a proselyte. Could he possibly be responsible for the teachings of this sect?)
Likewise today, there are many religious organizations that consider themselves Christian but one in particular that has enacted multitudes of rules and policies that have enslaved the people of God. When members of this sect finally realize what they have unwittingly joined and what is actually taking place, they may attempt to take a stand and point these things out but unfortunately they end up being disfellowshiped or expelled from the group.
Your thoughts please.
did he perhaps mean the sect of SAINT NICK, SANTA CLAUSE?

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