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SamMyDog

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Jun 12, 2012
God can not die.

Psalm 90:2
New Life Version (NLV)

2 Before the mountains were born, before You gave birth to the earth and the world, forever and ever, You are God.

To believe that Jesus is God means you believe he did not die because God can not die.that means you reject Jesus sacrifical death.because as God he could not Die.now to say Jesus only died in the flesh is saying he only half died another rejection of Jesus sacrifical death Jesus was fully dead.if he was not God would not have to have resurrected him because he still would have been alive.

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#2 Jun 12, 2012
Mark 12:24 (AMP)

24 Jesus said to them, Is not this where you wander out of the way and go wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?
sammydog

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Jun 12, 2012
borgfree wrote:
Mark 12:24 (AMP)
24 Jesus said to them, Is not this where you wander out of the way and go wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?
Sam>>
how does that answer my question "Did Good Die"?
I know the scriptures I read the bible every day and I know the power of God.

Genesis 1:2
Amplified Bible (AMP)

2 The earth was without form and an empty waste, and darkness was upon the face of the very great deep. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.

(Exodus 32:11) 11 And Moses proceeded to soften the face of Jehovah his God and to say:“Why, O Jehovah, should your anger blaze against your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt with great power . . .

(2 Chronicles 20:6). . .and are there not in your hand power . . .
Open minded bible student

Canada

#4 Jun 12, 2012
borgfree wrote:
Mark 12:24 (AMP)
24 Jesus said to them, Is not this where you wander out of the way and go wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?
If Jesus is God.. Did God die? Did God send himself to die for our sins?
SamMyDog

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Jun 12, 2012
Open minded bible student wrote:
<quoted text>
If Jesus is God.. Did God die? Did God send himself to die for our sins?
Sam>>
Thats just like saying I sent myself to the store.I went to the store not sent my self.to send someone is different them going to the store myself there is a sender and a sendee.Did God send God to earth to die for our sins.

to get back to the original question

Dis God die?
a simple yes or no answer will do.
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#6 Jun 12, 2012
Another thread with the same topic knocked the JW cult's doctrine out of the water.

But we do see Jesus—made lower than the angels for a short time so that by God’s grace He might taste death for everyone—crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death.
Hebrews 2:9

but about the Son:
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.
Hebrews 1:8

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#7 Jun 12, 2012
sammydog wrote:
<quoted text>
Sam>>
how does that answer my question "Did Good Die"?
I know the scriptures I read the bible every day and I know the power of God.
Genesis 1:2
Amplified Bible (AMP)
2 The earth was without form and an empty waste, and darkness was upon the face of the very great deep. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.
(Exodus 32:11) 11 And Moses proceeded to soften the face of Jehovah his God and to say:“Why, O Jehovah, should your anger blaze against your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt with great power . . .
(2 Chronicles 20:6). . .and are there not in your hand power . . .
Mark 12:18 (AMP)

18 And [some] Sadducees came to Him,[of that party] who say there is no resurrection, and they asked Him a question,...

I think the Sadducees "knew" the scriptures also, as can be seen here:

Many priests belonged to the Sadducees according to Josephus,11 but not all priests were Sadducees. The New Testament shows a close association between the Priests and the Sadducees (Acts 4:1 and 5:17). According to Josephus, Ananus, a Sadducee, had five sons who all became High Priests. While it is probable that the members of the priestly aristocracy were Sadducees, many priests were Pharisees. It was the priests of the Pharisees who were sent to question John (Jn. 1:19-24). And according to Acts 23, both Sadducees and Pharisees made up the Sanhedrin because Paul rallied the members who were Pharisees to his side.

The Sadducees held more of the leadership positions, but most frequently had to submit to the demands of the Pharisees.12 Because the people backed the Pharisees, the Sadducees were forced to observe the Pharisees' oral tradition. This they did not wish to do; they preferred to be unconstrained by customs and deal with the written law only. Written laws left uninterpreted were vague, which would mean that they were free to decide what they meant.

http://bible.org/seriespage/sadducees

But, Jesus still told them the above, Mark 12:24, statement. Telling them they did not know the scriptures. By their actions they proved they did not.
King James

Burbank, CA

#8 Jun 12, 2012
God did not die, but the existence of Jehova's Witnesses is proof that these idiots are still trying to kill God, after failing the first time 2,000 years ago.

Jehova's Witnesses: Sons and Daughters of Satan!
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#9 Jun 12, 2012
Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among whom the Holy Spirit has appointed you as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood.
Acts 20:28

The phrase "first and last" refers to God throughout the Bible.

Revelation 2:8 says:

The First and the Last, the One who was dead and came to life
sammydog

Philadelphia, PA

#10 Jun 13, 2012
Open minded bible student wrote:
<quoted text>
If Jesus is God.. Did God die? Did God send himself to die for our sins?
Sam>>
why are you answering my question with a question I put it to you again Did God Die?
(Psalm 90:2). . .Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.
can God die?
Are you a nondenom? they always advoid the questions and change the subject!!!
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#11 Jun 13, 2012
sammydog wrote:
<quoted text>
Sam>>
why are you answering my question with a question I put it to you again Did God Die?
(Psalm 90:2). . .Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.
can God die?
Are you a nondenom? they always advoid the questions and change the subject!!!
No, God did not die.

I know that this is going to be hard for you to understand but I am going to give it a shot.

Habakkuk 1:12 says God does not die:
Are You not from eternity, Yahweh my God?
My Holy One, You will not die.

The human being who happens to have the same ontological nature as God died. The deity did not die however. The Bible says that the highest heavens cannot contain God in 1 Kings chapter 8, yet when we read in the Israel wanderings we see that God dwelt in the tabernacle.

Can a tabernacle contain God?
Then if so, 1 Kings chapter 8 is wrong.

God’s presence was made manifest in areas like the tabernacle. God was not limited to that place however. It’s interesting that the idea also of John 1:14 is that Jesus tabernacled among us. When Jesus died, God did not die.

The human Jesus died, but the Son as God never suffered. The death was also not a sham. He really was dead and he gave his life to God, to which God granted that life back in a new and glorified state.

Furthermore, Jesus claimed the finger of God at work in his miracles. He claimed to do them in his name. Elijah would not have gone around saying “In my name, I command you to be healed.”
Jesus did.
Jesus saw his miracles as the direct act of God on Earth through his person in a unique way.

Jesus was God’s presence on Earth bringing about what would be the new kingdom.
sammydog

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Jun 13, 2012
UNchained wrote:
Another thread with the same topic knocked the JW cult's doctrine out of the water.
But we do see Jesus—made lower than the angels for a short time so that by God’s grace He might taste death for everyone—crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death.
Hebrews 2:9
but about the Son:
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.
Hebrews 1:8
Sam>>
I notice you still can`t answer the question "Did God Die"?

and hebrews 1:9 knocks that out of the water

(Hebrews 1:8, 9). . .. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.”
but we are not here to bebate the trinity the question still remains DID GOD DIE?
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#13 Jun 13, 2012
sammydog wrote:
<quoted text>
Sam>>
I notice you still can`t answer the question "Did God Die"?
and hebrews 1:9 knocks that out of the water
(Hebrews 1:8, 9). . .. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.”
but we are not here to bebate the trinity the question still remains DID GOD DIE?
Read post #11.

I posted it 27 minutes BEFORE you posted # 12.
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#14 Jun 13, 2012
sammydog wrote:
<quoted text>
Sam>>
I notice you still can`t answer the question "Did God Die"?
and hebrews 1:9 knocks that out of the water
(Hebrews 1:8, 9). . .. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.”
but we are not here to bebate the trinity the question still remains DID GOD DIE?
Allow me to repost # 11 since you failed to read it...

No, God did not die.

I know that this is going to be hard for you to understand but I am going to give it a shot.

Habakkuk 1:12 says God does not die:
Are You not from eternity, Yahweh my God?
My Holy One, You will not die.

The human being who happens to have the same ontological nature as God died. The deity did not die however. The Bible says that the highest heavens cannot contain God in 1 Kings chapter 8, yet when we read in the Israel wanderings we see that God dwelt in the tabernacle.

Can a tabernacle contain God?
Then if so, 1 Kings chapter 8 is wrong.

God’s presence was made manifest in areas like the tabernacle. God was not limited to that place however. It’s interesting that the idea also of John 1:14 is that Jesus tabernacled among us. When Jesus died, God did not die.

The human Jesus died, but the Son as God never suffered. The death was also not a sham. He really was dead and he gave his life to God, to which God granted that life back in a new and glorified state.

Furthermore, Jesus claimed the finger of God at work in his miracles. He claimed to do them in his name. Elijah would not have gone around saying “In my name, I command you to be healed.”
Jesus did.
Jesus saw his miracles as the direct act of God on Earth through his person in a unique way.

Jesus was God’s presence on Earth bringing about what would be the new kingdom.
Open minded bible student

Canada

#15 Jun 13, 2012
SamMyDog wrote:
<quoted text>
Sam>>
Thats just like saying I sent myself to the store.I went to the store not sent my self.to send someone is different them going to the store myself there is a sender and a sendee.Did God send God to earth to die for our sins.
to get back to the original question
Dis God die?
a simple yes or no answer will do.
No he did not die
sammydog

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Jun 13, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
No, God did not die.
I know that this is going to be hard for you to understand but I am going to give it a shot.
Habakkuk 1:12 says God does not die:
Are You not from eternity, Yahweh my God?
My Holy One, You will not die.
The human being who happens to have the same ontological nature as God died. The deity did not die however. The Bible says that the highest heavens cannot contain God in 1 Kings chapter 8, yet when we read in the Israel wanderings we see that God dwelt in the tabernacle.
Can a tabernacle contain God?
Then if so, 1 Kings chapter 8 is wrong.
God’s presence was made manifest in areas like the tabernacle. God was not limited to that place however. It’s interesting that the idea also of John 1:14 is that Jesus tabernacled among us. When Jesus died, God did not die.
The human Jesus died, but the Son as God never suffered. The death was also not a sham. He really was dead and he gave his life to God, to which God granted that life back in a new and glorified state.
Furthermore, Jesus claimed the finger of God at work in his miracles. He claimed to do them in his name. Elijah would not have gone around saying “In my name, I command you to be healed.”
Jesus did.
Jesus saw his miracles as the direct act of God on Earth through his person in a unique way.
Jesus was God’s presence on Earth bringing about what would be the new kingdom.
Sam>>

where does the bible say this?

"The human being who happens to have the same ontological nature as God died. The deity did not die however. The Bible says that the highest heavens cannot contain God in 1 Kings chapter 8, yet when we read in the Israel wanderings we see that God dwelt in the tabernacle."

(Colossians 2:8) 8 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world . . .

Now if you can list some scriptures that say Jesus had the same
ontological nature as God.I know the bible says Jesus existed in God`s form but that means before comming to earth Jesus was a spirit person just like God (John 4:24)

on·tol·o·gy&#8194; &#8194;/&#594;n&#7 12;t&#594;l&#601;d &#658;i/ Show Spelled[on-tol-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun
1. the branch of metaphysics that studies the nature of existence or being as such.
2.(loosely) metaphysics.

better dig your head out of the science books and find the simple truth of the bible

(Matthew 11:25) 25 At that time Jesus said in response:“I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes.

(1 Corinthians 1:18, 19). . .. 19 For it is written:“I will make the wisdom of the wise [men] perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual [men] I will shove aside.”

(1 Corinthians 1:20). . .Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish?

(Romans 1:22) Although asserting they were wise, they became foolish

it was the son of God that died not God the son this is nowhere in the bible
also a sacrifical death was needed not a half death there is no such thing.
if Jesus was not fully dead they why did God resurrect him because you don`t resurrect people who are still alive.
now if you want to talk scriptures ok but please leave your science at the front door.

(1 Corinthians 3:18-20) 18 Let no one be seducing himself: If anyone among YOU thinks he is wise in this system of things, let him become a fool, that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God; for it is written:“He catches the wise in their own cunning.” 20 And again:“Jehovah knows that the reasonings of the wise men are futile.”
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#17 Jun 13, 2012
sammydog wrote:
<quoted text>
Sam>>
where does the bible say this?
"The human being who happens to have the same ontological nature as God died. The deity did not die however. The Bible says that the highest heavens cannot contain God in 1 Kings chapter 8, yet when we read in the Israel wanderings we see that God dwelt in the tabernacle."
(Colossians 2:8) 8 Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world . . .
Now if you can list some scriptures that say Jesus had the same
ontological nature as God.
sammydog said:

"Now if you can list some scriptures that say Jesus had the same
ontological nature as God."

You almost had it when you began reading Colossians 2:8 but you stopped reading the Bible and missed it...

Colossians 2:9
For in Him the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily
Unknown

Launceston, Australia

#18 Jun 13, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
No, God did not die.
I know that this is going to be hard for you to understand but I am going to give it a shot.
Habakkuk 1:12 says God does not die:
Are You not from eternity, Yahweh my God?
My Holy One, You will not die.
The human being who happens to have the same ontological nature as God died. The deity did not die however. The Bible says that the highest heavens cannot contain God in 1 Kings chapter 8, yet when we read in the Israel wanderings we see that God dwelt in the tabernacle.
Can a tabernacle contain God?
Then if so, 1 Kings chapter 8 is wrong.
God’s presence was made manifest in areas like the tabernacle. God was not limited to that place however. It’s interesting that the idea also of John 1:14 is that Jesus tabernacled among us. When Jesus died, God did not die.
The human Jesus died, but the Son as God never suffered. The death was also not a sham. He really was dead and he gave his life to God, to which God granted that life back in a new and glorified state.
Furthermore, Jesus claimed the finger of God at work in his miracles. He claimed to do them in his name. Elijah would not have gone around saying “In my name, I command you to be healed.”
Jesus did.
Jesus saw his miracles as the direct act of God on Earth through his person in a unique way.
Jesus was God’s presence on Earth bringing about what would be the new kingdom.
Your post reeks of Docetism.
"The human Jesus died, but the Son as God never suffered"
That phrase there has Docetism written all over it.
Also, how can you say 'HE' when you don't believe that a PERSON was in the tomb but only a 'flesh nature'. Lastly, when you say that the 'Son AS God' never suffered you admit that He SEPARATED from the physical body, thus admitting that God experience death.
sammydog

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Jun 13, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
sammydog said:
"Now if you can list some scriptures that say Jesus had the same
ontological nature as God."
You almost had it when you began reading Colossians 2:8 but you stopped reading the Bible and missed it...
Colossians 2:9
For in Him the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily
Sam>>
Remember is the image of God (Colossians 1:15)he is god`s reflection jesus also said if you seen me you have seen the father thats how much Jesus is the image of God.
Did Christ have in himself something that is his because he is God, part of a Trinity? Or is “the fullness” that dwells in him something that became his because of the decision of someone else? Colossians 1:19 (KJ, Dy) says that all fullness dwelt in Christ because it “pleased the Father” for this to be the case. NE says it was “by God’s own choice.”
I say the fullness that dwelt in him was the holy spirit.
According to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, the·o&#8242;tes (the nominative form, from which the·o&#8242;te·tos is derived) means “divinity, divine nature.”(Oxford, 1968, p. 792) Being truly “divinity,” or of “divine nature,” does not make Jesus as the Son of God coequal and coeternal with the Father, any more than the fact that all humans share “humanity” or “human nature” makes them coequal or all the same age.
(Colossians 1:19) because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him,
The Bible states:“God saw good for all fullness to dwell in [Christ].” This is because Christ is the key figure in the fulfilling of God’s purpose.
now enough of this trinity bologna.
Did Almighty God Die? was Jesus almighty God? did Jesus die?
please no half die bologna either he fully died or he did not.
If part of Jesus was alive why did God resurrect Jesus from the dead?
sammydog

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Jun 13, 2012
Unknown wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post reeks of Docetism.
"The human Jesus died, but the Son as God never suffered"
That phrase there has Docetism written all over it.
Also, how can you say 'HE' when you don't believe that a PERSON was in the tomb but only a 'flesh nature'. Lastly, when you say that the 'Son AS God' never suffered you admit that He SEPARATED from the physical body, thus admitting that God experience death.
Sam>>
this bologna of the human jesus died and as God he never suffered what was Jesus a split person never in the bible does it say so, also never in the bible does it use GodMan to describle Jesus?If Jesus never fully died the ranson would have been worthless.the teaching of the trinity is a rejection of the ranson and a teaching of antiChrist saying Jesus never fully died for us.

as for me, Jesus fully died for me.

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