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Here is the rational of WTS members; “if the WTS didn't say it it didn't happen”. This is the reasoning behind 1975, there are millions that lived through the preaching, that is, active door to door work, pointing to the end in 1975, than you have the revisionist talking to members of the WTS who did the revision of the truth about 1975, so the logic follows it didn't happen!

This is the same rational on this forum the society forbids WTS members to be on a forum like this, but those WTS member on it lyingly call those telling the truth on this forum about the WTS public history of 1975 liars.

Here is some more intellectual honestly practiced by WTS members, come on a forum like this hate all other religion have no good intention to believe anything posted here accept those post by other WTS members and than lying act like you love the truth, having an honest discussion about it.

So the new light is since 1975 is it didn't happen, all the fruit on the tree of the WTS didn't exist at the time and they were evil, but the tree was holy and righteous, the fruit supported the tree, made it grow! Yes, that right the fruit taught what they wanted they weren't made too by WTS policies, none of the responsibility was the poor little misunderstood GB for preaching 1975 at every assembly for years, and sending out traveling overseer to speak of 1975. It was the mean old fruit that made the leader look bad. It was the fruit that made the tree look bad, the tree is always innocent.

Matt. 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. 7:16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? 7:17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit. 7:18 A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.

So the innocent little tree clean it all up by revising what was said by the mean old fruit. This is the logic of WTS members in thinking they are clean by WTS teaching, not the blood of Christ Jesus, but veraciously through their GB teachings.

The logic follows the WTS teaching must be clean because we are the only clean people on earth right?

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

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eagleeye wrote:
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If they would pay closer attention, they would see that miseracord is much nicer than I.
I assure you, the fact that you display no Christian qualities hasn't gone unnoticed.

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Prophecies are subject to mis-interpretation. Why? Because they depend on passage of time, and world events, and conditions. The main thing is JW's stay awake and moniter them. Religions in general do not. They are totally unaware
That is not true, any God believing, bible based Church tells its members to keep on the watch and to live their lives as best they can according to how the bible teaches. We are not unaware, we know exactly what you say JWs know about what it going on in the world today. The bible also tell us how to identify a false prophet...

I John 4:1.
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits [put the spirits and their teachings to the test] whether they are of God: because many [not the few, but many] false prophets are gone out into the world."
If we put the GB to the test, do they pass? If you honestly answer, you know the answer would be no.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
Matthew 24:4,5.
"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying [or admitting], I am the Christ; and shall deceive many."
Claiming to be your savior as the GB, or the Organization does, it also a form of claiming to be Christ Nomi. They also claim to be your mediator between you and Jehovah,(he is only the mediator for the 144,000) There is only one mediator between you and Jehovah, and that is JESUS CHRIST, not the 144,000 not the F&DS, but JESUS. Please think about that.
Matthew 7:21-23.
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many [again note that Christ said "MANY"] will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
And then shall that Wicked [a single Wicked person] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned [judged] who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
2 Peter 2:1 "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves."

Watchtower quote..
"Some believed that the earth would end on October 21, 2011. It did not. Thus, the prophecy of U.S. radio broadcaster Harold Camping rang hollow. He predicted that Judgement Day would come on May 21, 2011 …" Watchtower 2012 Feb 1 p.25
Didn't they also predict judgment day, and didn't it also ring hollow? What makes them believe they are any different from Harold Camping?
Luke 21:8 "He said:“Look out that &#8203;YOU&#8203; are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying,‘I am he,’ and,‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them."
Matthew 24:11,24 "And many false prophets will arise and mislead many… For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones."

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Has anyone noticed how when miseracord was posting ee never posted once under her name untl she was outed. Now she is posting under both name as if that would throw everyone off.
It is like another nick they all used at one time, its not only EE posting under this nick, but all of them.

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<quoted text>But Karen this is exactly what you do , when someone you disagree with ref you to a web site for you to do some research you refuse to go there telling them that your Husband advises you not to that .
Can you see the hypocracy there ?
I don't remember anyone referencing me to a website for quite a while, And I do apologize if I have missed one. But the ones I DO not go to are the ones that someone is posting a silly picture or some other nonsense, you can usually tell what it is by the name of the site. If you have a website for me to visit that has information about the Bible truths, I will be glad to visit it. But have you honestly ever visited one of the websites you are referred to? Now if you say they are all apostate websites, that is being a hypocrite, because if you don't go, how do you know if it is or not?

There is no hypocrisy here, only that I am smart enough to know usually which sites are okay, and which ones may be dangerous. We do have to use our own smarts at times don't we?

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<quoted text>Shame , she always puts her foot in it .
I am still waiting on the proof of my lies from you Snorkler.

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I was not referring to doctrine, only interpreting phrophecies, I am sorry if I did not make that clear. I do not believe in the trinity, I think that was something added by the churches, that was wrong on their part they added something that was never there, IMO. I wouldn't go to a church that believed in the King James version being inspired either.
On the other hand, the Watchtower interpreted the prophecies in ways that make no sense to me, and those interpretations have pretty consistently been proven wrong. So why should I believe in the interpretations of an organization that has a 100 % failure rate on date predictions?
The brothers are like you and me, they are imperfect. Jehovah has allowed certain things, just like He did with the Jews, even the prophets made mistakes sometimes, they were not perfect. There ARE some who leave the congregation for years, and come back eventually. The urgency about the end was evident in the first-century Christian congregation, and Peter and Paul had to settle things down. This does not mean that those who erred were not going to be saved, or that they could not change their course. Look, if you want to be outside the congregation, if you feel that it's not for you, I'm not going to be the one to beg you or even ask you to come in. In fact, I want you to stay outside the congregation if that is your choice and do whatever you want. You make your choice, I make mine, and have decided to join and stay with those that I believe portray the Bible to the closest, most accurate decree possible on this side of complete perfection.
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I thought I was responding to Eagle eye, is it true then that you are the same?
No, I do not switch names. But you believe what you want. If I answer a question directed towards someone else, that is my business, I'm sorry if I overturn the conversation if that happens, not my intention, but you believe whatever you want because that is what you will do anyway. And, of course, it makes sense that you would believe whatever you want to believe. LOL! Even if it's not true. Conspiracy theories abound, and many are those that believe them, devising any sort of "proofs." (lol)

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The Real Karen wrote:
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That is not true, any God believing, bible based Church tells its members to keep on the watch and to live their lives as best they can according to how the bible teaches. We are not unaware, we know exactly what you say JWs know about what it going on in the world today. The bible also tell us how to identify a false prophet...
So why is it that Baptists are not Catholics? or Methodists? or Anglicans?

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The Real Karen wrote:
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It is like another nick they all used at one time, its not only EE posting under this nick, but all of them.
Your comment didn't make me laugh, karen, the following did:

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"Has anyone noticed how when miseracord was posting ee never posted once under her name untl she was outed. Now she is posting under both name as if that would throw everyone off."

As I said, conspiracy theories abound. Now tell us why Baptists are not Catholics, Methodists, or Presbyterians? Did the holy spirit tell the truth to all of your religions? Did it tell people to join no religion, and just stay at home with their own ideas about God who must speak to them directly without error? Meanwhile, I will just say what I have to when I want to, dear.

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So why is it that Baptists are not Catholics? or Methodists? or Anglicans?
Don't matter what religion someone is, its not going to save you at all. Do you actually think that when you stand to be judged, you are going to be ask what religion you were here on earth?

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Your comment didn't make me laugh, karen, the following did:
ee lightful wrote:
"Has anyone noticed how when miseracord was posting ee never posted once under her name untl she was outed. Now she is posting under both name as if that would throw everyone off."
As I said, conspiracy theories abound. Now tell us why Baptists are not Catholics, Methodists, or Presbyterians? Did the holy spirit tell the truth to all of your religions? Did it tell people to join no religion, and just stay at home with their own ideas about God who must speak to them directly without error? Meanwhile, I will just say what I have to when I want to, dear.
Ahh this one is NR. The dear outed you on that one.

Religion will not save us, but Jesus did tell us to gather together, because he knew we needed to be with others to help us understand, and to be there for hard times we may have to go through. Surely you understand that. It does not make a difference if you are a Baptist, a Methodist, or a JW, it's if you believe in Jesus that matters, and this is exactly what the bible tells us. If we believe in Jesus, we are going to follow the things we are told in the bible as well. We are going to tell others about him and how he died for us and gave us that chance of eternal life. But it is to him we must give our loyalty and obedience, not men. The church is the people in it, not the building. The Holy
Spirit comes to he who ask for it. We don't have to be in a church, or KH to get it.

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Don't matter what religion someone is, its not going to save you at all. Do you actually think that when you stand to be judged, you are going to be ask what religion you were here on earth?
That's right we will be judged as individuals and how we have accepted or rejected JESUS and his sacrifce . There is many sources that explain why People rejected the CATHOLIC TEACHINGS and separated from them if someone wants to know GOD LOOK IT UP . Also many Catholics will be in a better stand than JW in the end because many Catholics have hearts that God can reach and are not harden of heart or stiff necked .I know many Catholics that truely live a God fearing / loving life and do read their Bibles and so let God be the judge at least they don't demean Jesus and call him a liar .

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It is like another nick they all used at one time, its not only EE posting under this nick, but all of them.
LOL!! Such paranoia and lies.

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<quoted text>But Karen this is exactly what you do , when someone you disagree with ref you to a web site for you to do some research you refuse to go there telling them that your Husband advises you not to that .
Can you see the hypocracy there ?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, did you really say that? You who refuse to look at any evidence of anything given to you.

You have no conviction in anything. You change like the wind.
When you get about 20 or so that will change. It happens right after you voice has finished it's change. Hang in there.

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The brothers are like you and me, they are imperfect. Jehovah has allowed certain things, just like He did with the Jews, even the prophets made mistakes sometimes, they were not perfect. There ARE some who leave the congregation for years, and come back eventually. The urgency about the end was evident in the first-century Christian congregation, and Peter and Paul had to settle things down. This does not mean that those who erred were not going to be saved, or that they could not change their course. Look, if you want to be outside the congregation, if you feel that it's not for you, I'm not going to be the one to beg you or even ask you to come in. In fact, I want you to stay outside the congregation if that is your choice and do whatever you want. You make your choice, I make mine, and have decided to join and stay with those that I believe portray the Bible to the closest, most accurate decree possible on this side of complete perfection.
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No, I do not switch names. But you believe what you want. If I answer a question directed towards someone else, that is my business, I'm sorry if I overturn the conversation if that happens, not my intention, but you believe whatever you want because that is what you will do anyway. And, of course, it makes sense that you would believe whatever you want to believe. LOL! Even if it's not true. Conspiracy theories abound, and many are those that believe them, devising any sort of "proofs." (lol)
Well, I am not usually one for conspiracy theories, personally I don't care one way or the other, I respond to the post, not the poster. But it seems a lot do use multiple identities, so I was curious, You do not seem like Eagle Eye to me that much anyway, so if you are her, good job, lol. I don't get the point of that, usually every one pretty quickly figures out who is who, so what is the point? I have been accused of that myself, and it was pretty funny. Someone thought Acrobat was me, even though he is male and a current JW, I'm female and an ex JW, other than that we were just alike, LOL.

You say the brothers are just like you and me, imperfect, but really there is more to it than that. The Governing Body claims to be the faithful and discrete slave and claims that God is working through them. The Governing Body appointed themselves to this position, and many people believe what they say, so when they make a wrong prediction, it is impacts a lot of people, so to me it is far more than them just being imperfect. What they say is believed by every Jehovah's Witness isn't it?

In fact, if one of Jehovah's Witnesses does not believe something taught by the governing body, and they state that publicly, they will be disfellowshipped for Apostacy, even if what the GB teaches later turns out not to be true.

I was never one to be stumbled by the imperfections of another, it's just not my nature, I am a forgiving person. I do have a problem with any man or group of men saying that I must believe everything they say. After I left, I looked back over the years and realized I had seen many problems with what was taught, but instead of questioning it, I just accepted it and hid my doubts. I reasoned much like you are, they are just men, just imperfect, they are the closest to perfection, etc. This went on until something forced me to face my doubts.

As the bible says, we should keep questioning as to whether these things are so. But the WTBTS, says not to. They say no one should read so called apostate literature, or go one Apostate web sites. If this organization really is "the truth", as they say, what are they afraid of? Since you are here, obviously you do not accept this counsel 100%, so are there some areas where you do not obey this organization?

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I am still waiting on the proof of my lies from you Snorkler.
I hope you aren't holding your breath.

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Ahh this one is NR. The dear outed you on that one.
Religion will not save us, but Jesus did tell us to gather together, because he knew we needed to be with others to help us understand, and to be there for hard times we may have to go through. Surely you understand that. It does not make a difference if you are a Baptist, a Methodist, or a JW, it's if you believe in Jesus that matters, and this is exactly what the bible tells us. If we believe in Jesus, we are going to follow the things we are told in the bible as well. We are going to tell others about him and how he died for us and gave us that chance of eternal life. But it is to him we must give our loyalty and obedience, not men. The church is the people in it, not the building. The Holy
Spirit comes to he who ask for it. We don't have to be in a church, or KH to get it.
LOL! Have a nice day. Yeah, the church is the people in it, that's why you go to a Baptist church and not a Catholic one for worship and understanding and common fellowship? C'mon Karen, we all know you're NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. Many people ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH, not just you, so you are NOT ALONE IN THAT. If the church is the "people in it," Karen, and you're saying some of Jehovah's Witnesses will be saved, then you are saying you don't make decisions as to which religion sets the best with you, and you can JOIN ANY RELIGION??

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Well, I am not usually one for conspiracy theories, personally I don't care one way or the other, I respond to the post, not the poster. But it seems a lot do use multiple identities, so I was curious, You do not seem like Eagle Eye to me that much anyway, so if you are her, good job, lol. I don't get the point of that, usually every one pretty quickly figures out who is who, so what is the point? I have been accused of that myself, and it was pretty funny. Someone thought Acrobat was me, even though he is male and a current JW, I'm female and an ex JW, other than that we were just alike, LOL.
You say the brothers are just like you and me, imperfect, but really there is more to it than that. The Governing Body claims to be the faithful and discrete slave and claims that God is working through them. The Governing Body appointed themselves to this position, and many people believe what they say, so when they make a wrong prediction, it is impacts a lot of people, so to me it is far more than them just being imperfect. What they say is believed by every Jehovah's Witness isn't it?
In fact, if one of Jehovah's Witnesses does not believe something taught by the governing body, and they state that publicly, they will be disfellowshipped for Apostacy, even if what the GB teaches later turns out not to be true.
I was never one to be stumbled by the imperfections of another, it's just not my nature, I am a forgiving person. I do have a problem with any man or group of men saying that I must believe everything they say. After I left, I looked back over the years and realized I had seen many problems with what was taught, but instead of questioning it, I just accepted it and hid my doubts. I reasoned much like you are, they are just men, just imperfect, they are the closest to perfection, etc. This went on until something forced me to face my doubts.
As the bible says, we should keep questioning as to whether these things are so. But the WTBTS, says not to. They say no one should read so called apostate literature, or go one Apostate web sites. If this organization really is "the truth", as they say, what are they afraid of? Since you are here, obviously you do not accept this counsel 100%, so are there some areas where you do not obey this organization?
I have checked out many of lies others teach about us, and I have found them to be wanting in truth and integrity (check that to mean conspiracy theories as well). Also full of misunderstandings, as if the accuser was perfect without flaw himself with a right to criticize others in that manner. I don't need to check out any more because I have found them to be wayyyy off course. And I am happy FOLLOWING JESUS, yes I believe that I have been led in the right direction by the organized body of Jehovah's Witnesses. No one else here is fitting that description that is critical of JW's.
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The brothers are like you and me, they are imperfect. Jehovah has allowed certain things, just like He did with the Jews, even the prophets made mistakes sometimes, they were not perfect. There ARE some who leave the congregation for years, and come back eventually. The urgency about the end was evident in the first-century Christian congregation, and Peter and Paul had to settle things down. This does not mean that those who erred were not going to be saved, or that they could not change their course. Look, if you want to be outside the congregation, if you feel that it's not for you, I'm not going to be the one to beg you or even ask you to come in. In fact, I want you to stay outside the congregation if that is your choice and do whatever you want. You make your choice, I make mine, and have decided to join and stay with those that I believe portray the Bible to the closest, most accurate decree possible on this side of complete perfection.
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No, I do not switch names. But you believe what you want. If I answer a question directed towards someone else, that is my business, I'm sorry if I overturn the conversation if that happens, not my intention, but you believe whatever you want because that is what you will do anyway. And, of course, it makes sense that you would believe whatever you want to believe. LOL! Even if it's not true. Conspiracy theories abound, and many are those that believe them, devising any sort of "proofs." (lol)
The prophets did not make mistakes when they were prophesizing in Gods name

. You are making excuses for the false prophets of the WTS. for they said it must be believed came from God when it didn't.

God explained all that to you but you ignore those scriptures as you continue to follow men.as you try to bring the true prophets of God down to the level of liars.

Shame on you!

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