dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#21 Mar 16, 2011
missypoo72 wrote:
there is a scripture in the bible that states "speak not in the ears of a fool for they will dispise your wisdom". JW's are taught not to argue with anyone about religion. Alot of non-JW's want to argue about everything. I once had a preacher tell his congregation that if everyone spread the word of God like the JW's does, the world might be a better place.<quoted text>
The preacher was speaking of the zeal but it is the truth of scriptures that must be spread not the erroneous interpretation of men who say you must come to them for salvation..
You can bet your life he wasn't talking about the lies they spread to the innocent that don't know scriptures well enough to spot the false, twisted scriptures that glorify an org rather than Jesus or God.
Manny99

United States

#22 Mar 16, 2011
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> The preacher was speaking of the zeal but it is the truth of scriptures that must be spread not the erroneous interpretation of men who say you must come to them for salvation..
You can bet your life he wasn't talking about the lies they spread to the innocent that don't know scriptures well enough to spot the false, twisted scriptures that glorify an org rather than Jesus or God.
Amen!
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#23 Mar 17, 2011
I beg your pardon. I am not arguing. I simply posted some very serious bible subjects that the WT 'yet' to put into little chapters like they do in their weekly studies.

'So far, after '20' posts,' the Christian community has not only proved their point about your shameful silence,(on dealing with said subjects). It also includes the rest of the WT followers silence on these subjects.

I am not trying to be mean. I am simply stating an honest fact. The Christian community is just wondering what is the 'bible students' problem really is on these subjects?

The JW shameful silence is caused by spiritual ignorance. It's due to the lack of WT information given to them, by their so called,'indiscrete slave' class....'They supposedly' claim, they give you ''food at the proper time.'' I would think this would be a 'proper time.'

I know exactly how a JW would answer someone that was studying with them. If they were ever to ask you to educate them in any one of my said subjects,(above) all they would get was more shameful silence. You would be just as intellectually dishonest with them as you are here. You would deceitfully lure them to some other non salvational subject. How honest is that?

As long as spirits behind the WT can keep it's followers ignorant on these 'basic' bible subjects, their followers will not leave in mass.

Keeping you so ignorant, of these 'more serious' bible subjects and from the new ones coming aboard, falls under the heading of being intellectually dishonest, to say the very least. They wouldn't touch one of these said subjects with a ten foot pole. "So how could you defend anything they didn't give you?" Don't you get it???

How embarrassing not to be able, or willing, to teach on these subjects. You have been spiritually crippled and you yourself shamelessly mute the joy of others from having the Spirit of Jesus Christ in them. I know why the JW elder would never come in here. Their shame would be just as obvious as yours.

Not being able to defend the WT position on these 'basic' Bible subjects also give proof that your shameful silence can be classified as guilt.
red blood relative

United States

#24 Mar 17, 2011
Christian community wrote:
I beg your pardon. I am not arguing.
jws [topsy] use every trick in the book.... they go door to door arguing, spreading their propaganda doctrines of demons..... but if you know their lingo, they claim you are just a goat 'arguing' and cross you off their list.

topsy is especially good at it...... he will pretend he agrees with you, and then try to encourage you to shut up and move-on and call you anti-jw ...... yet jws go door to door condemning the whole world and he can't seem to find anything at all devious about that.

keep up the good work, christian

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#25 Mar 17, 2011
The TOPSY doesnt care about one group trying to push their dogma and advertise how much better it is than the next.

You go ahead and make your salvation checklists and wait patiently to be vindicated at the promised Dues ex Machina...

In the mean time, I hope both of you are wrong, or both of you are right...

Christian Community I know you feel strong about your convinctions. So do the JW...

Are the issues you mentioned something that is needed for salvation?

If so, how do you know?

If not, why do you care?
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#26 Mar 18, 2011
You are very devious Topsy. If you are not in Christ you are walking around in,(Adam)..in 'sin,'in condemnation,(Rom. 8:1).

Jehovah didn't send Jesus into the sea of mankind to call the righteous out of it. He came to call the unrighteous. out of it,(1 John 2:15, James 4:4).

John 1:12 But "as many as" received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Everyone who died faithfully (because of their faith) in the O.T. would become part of the seed of promise,(Jesus Christ through the blessed Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:6So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a] 7 Understand then, that those who have faith 'are' children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:“All nations will be blessed through you.”[b] 9 So those who rely on faith 'are' blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Jesus was making this point in Jn. 10:16. The WT twist that passage as well.

John tells us that "whosoever" receives the Son, is adopted into the family of God.and is no longer a slave to this world. They have been harvested from mankind as part vof the first fruits. Each one is a branch,(Jn. 15:1-6). We/they are now bond servants of God through Jesus Christ by the blessed Holy Spirit and therefore, sons and daughters of, God. Yet modern day Gnosticism teaches that 99% of Watchtower followers are,(biblically speaking and in this strict biblical sense,) still slaves because they are not sons of God. In other words they are told only 144000 can address God as 'Abbah Father.'(But what slave was ever recorded as calling their master 'Abbah' Father?) This point is demonstrating how WT theology has never been well thought out.
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#27 Mar 18, 2011
'Abbah,' is simply a Hebrew word used for a close relationship, "as a child speaks to a Father," (1 Jn. 3:7, ; 4:4, 15). The English equivalent would be,'Papa,' or ..'daddy.' This is the close relationship He wants with each believer.

Notice what Galatians 5:18 is saying to those in the world who are not sons,of God.'They are not led by His Spirit.' But what condition is one in if they are not led?"..'if they are not sons and daughters of His,you have rejected His grace and have been placed with those who are under the old Law Covenant!

Gal.5:18 But 'if ' ye be led of the Spirit, ye are 'not' under the law.

Romans 8:14 For...'"as many as"'... are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

What spirit would deceitfully place anyone under the old Law?
Yes John 1:12, says, "But, "'as many as"' received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:(emphases mine)

This point is also being made in Hebrews 12:5-6

(Yes and each one is justified as righteous,not just 144000,(1 Jn. 3:7).

The WT tells you the spirit of Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God are not in 99% of JW.
..'Look where unclean inspired spirits place you?'...

So so 'each' Christian is led,(Luke 11:11-'13,' Romans 8:9, Eph. 5:18,)

The WT also tell you that only 144000 belong to God. nor do 99% of u belong to His Son. Compare with Romans 8:9 , 1 John 3:24, ; 4:4, 15, ; 5:20, Jn. 14:20-23 as to 'who belongs to who.'
The passages below tells the reader who the Christian belongs too.'
John 17:17And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.(See Heb. 10:10,(above). Also compare with Hebrews 13:12, Acts 20:32.

Jesus prays for all believers:

20Neither pray I for... these alone, but for 'them also' which shall believe on me through their word;

21That they 'all' may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one "in us": that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one,' even as we are one:'

23..I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

1 Corinthians 13:5

John 15:6 If a "man" 'abide not'...'in me,' he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned (emphases mine.)
AuroraMom

Woodridge, IL

#28 Mar 18, 2011
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> The preacher was speaking of the zeal but it is the truth of scriptures that must be spread not the erroneous interpretation of men who say you must come to them for salvation..
You can bet your life he wasn't talking about the lies they spread to the innocent that don't know scriptures well enough to spot the false, twisted scriptures that glorify an org rather than Jesus or God.
I doubt that what missypoopoo said was true.
Anyone who has been in a the cult, knows these JW urban tales are started by the WBTS and never have an ounce of truth behind them.
Notice "the preacher" is never, ever mentioned by name!
The truth is anyone who knows Jehovah's Witnesses knows they are selfish, holier than thou, twits.
Nobody even wants them as neighbors, for crying out loud they teach that everyone BUT they are Satanic.
They are nothing but a drain on society and destroy the family unit.
No preacher would praise a cult that preaches he is partnered with Satan, come on.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#29 Mar 18, 2011
Not so, it is Prophetic, has yet to take place. Evildoers continued, and still exist.
jhnsn d-s wrote:
<quoted text>
Consider that the above refered to scripture may actually have to do with land disputes within King Davids domain. Giving an understanding to the context is more preferable than the Watchtower story tellers.
For evildoers themselves will be cut off,
But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth. And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more;And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. Psalms 37:
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Since: Feb 07

RI

#30 Mar 18, 2011
missypoo72 wrote:
there is a scripture in the bible that states "speak not in the ears of a fool for they will dispise your wisdom". JW's are taught not to argue with anyone about religion. Alot of non-JW's want to argue about everything. I once had a preacher tell his congregation that if everyone spread the word of God like the JW's does, the world might be a better place.<quoted text>
This is probably true to a certain extent. JWs are taught to preach THEIR views to others, but if those others respond with valid scriptural arguments, the JWs will often turn and run.

Just curious...you state that "you" had a preacher tell his congregation about JWs. Were YOU in that congregation, or is this another of those JW urban legends that JWs just love to spread?

Since: Mar 09

United States

#31 Mar 19, 2011
We teach the Bible, and nothing else. Our Bible aids are just that "aids"...they are totally based on the Holy Bible. They simply help people learn the Bible quicker than they might otherwise.
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#32 Mar 19, 2011
Missypoo, We can all agree to dis agree on +- 95% of Bible subjects. But there are the more serious ones that we can't disagree on,(and these, are the ones had mentioned).
For instance, Jesus only left 2 ordernaces for the Church,'Baptisem, and Communion of the Lord's Supper. That's two of the main ones we all are to obey.
One of them was to 'partake in remembrance of him.'
The WT,(What I call' modern day Gnosticism, But to refute Gnosticism,(1 Timothy 4:1) comes along and teaches that there are 'two types of baptisms. Their so called 144000 gets the one that the bible supports, but they force the other 99% of them to have a 'different type of baptisem. One that is not mentioned in the Bible!
The Bible passage says, there is one God, one Spirit, one faith,('Christian') and one 'baptisem...(the 'biblical' one. In other words, The bible commands that all Christians are to be baptised into the body of Christ,(which is 'the Church'). Symbolically we
are baptised into Christ.
We died with him,'symbolically (under water).
So as his body was raised to a new life (back in heaven) the Christian was also raised up to a new life, a new man ,or woman in Christ. Can anyone of you say that since your conversion you are still the same person you were before your conversion?
Are we now perfect? No, far from it, but we have stopped allowing our old fleshly desires to lead us. We have now chosen to allow the Holy Spirit to lead us in our decision in life.(In biblical terms),'We are no longer are walking in the flesh as we once did. We are now attemting to walk in the Spirit, Ephesians 5:18, Lk. 11:11-13, "1 John" 2:24, ; 3:24, ; 4:4, 15, ;5:20. Compare with 2 Cor. 13:5, Gal. 4:19. "How about Colossians 1:27, 28?'
It doesn't tale a rocket sci. to understand any of those wonderful passages written to us. None of you have all the answers...."I certainly don't." But I can read and so can you. We all may not be a famous Pastor or a famous Evangelist, but simple men and simple woman can still give a simple message. And that is all each of us are doing here.'

Since: Feb 07

RI

#33 Mar 19, 2011
Nomi wrote:
We teach the Bible, and nothing else. Our Bible aids are just that "aids"...they are totally based on the Holy Bible. They simply help people learn the Bible quicker than they might otherwise.
No, they don't help people learn the Bible quicker...they help people learn the WTS's view of the Bible quicker.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#34 Mar 19, 2011
Nomi wrote:
We teach the Bible, and nothing else. Our Bible aids are just that "aids"...they are totally based on the Holy Bible. They simply help people learn the Bible quicker than they might otherwise.
Why is there a need to learn the bible quicker?

Since: Mar 09

United States

#35 Mar 21, 2011
It is good to learn the Bible as swiftly as possible, IF the person wants to become a follower of Christ. We do not know when this system will end, and that adds an important factor to it.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#36 Mar 21, 2011
Millions of people would disagree with you on that. My parents had a home study. Most have become Christians thru home Bible Studies.
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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No, they don't help people learn the Bible quicker...they help people learn the WTS's view of the Bible quicker.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#37 Mar 21, 2011
Nomi wrote:
Millions of people would disagree with you on that. My parents had a home study. Most have become Christians thru home Bible Studies.
<quoted text>
Millions who have gone through what you call a biblestudy is actually a WT study. You read a WT and when a scripture is quoted you look up the quote only and continue with the WT until you come to the next quote in the WT. You use the bible to look up a quote rather then studying the bible itself, such as reading a book of the bible and studYing that chapter by chapter.. That is a bible study!
jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#38 Mar 21, 2011
Nomi wrote:
Not so, it is Prophetic, has yet to take place. Evildoers continued, and still exist.
<quoted text>
From Posts #13, 16, 29

If what you are saying is true then you may be in expectation of a reverting back to old style weapons because in verse 15 it shows that at least some will be removed by what appears to be their own weapons.

"Their own sword will enter into their heart,
And their own bows will be broken."
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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#39 Mar 21, 2011
Nomi wrote:
We teach the Bible, and nothing else. Our Bible aids are just that "aids"...they are totally based on the Holy Bible. They simply help people learn the Bible quicker than they might otherwise.
If Jws teach only the Bible then show where to find 1914? Show me where to find that 1925 were supposed to be the year when Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob returned to earth, in San Diego, ca, with a barbecue? Show on how the Father did not tell the Son but somehow decided to tell the Watchtower about the end of the world in 1975. Show me in the Bible where vaccination was unbiblical? Show me in the Bible about the pyramids of Egypt as witnesses for God? Should I go on. I am eargerly waiting for your answer, Nomi.

Sincerely yours,

ProudApostate
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#40 Mar 22, 2011
Well here we are at post 38.' Without a doubt the principle has clearly been established. As the Christian community stated,(and no, never wanting to argue')the above subjects would never be touched by a Watchtower follower.

The Christian community is not making fun of them here. We just wanted to show,('and warn') the Christian community about the dangers of studying with what is called 'Modern day Gnosticism. The Apostle Paul dealt with this same kind of spirit in his day,(1 Timothy 4:1).

These kinds of people are the ones you find on your door steps. They come with white shirts and ties. Their conversation might have a 'Christian ring' to it, but they go on to you that your faith in Jesus Christ will not save anyone,(you included)unless you read from their 'books' of 'deeper knowledge.'

The principle has been established, and after 38 post, we seen their 'deeper knowledge.

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