Aneirin /Gareth one simple question

Aneirin /Gareth one simple question

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Jace

Ardsley, NY

#1 Jan 4, 2013
When talking to a jw it is very important to ask very simple critical thinking questions

They are the most effective questions one can ask

As my fatherinlaw said

The problem is folks do not know WHAT questions to ask a jw and so vital questions are never addresses

Gareth here is your question

If a person disagreed with the wt editioral staff explanation of the faithful and discreet slave from day 1 up til Oct of 2012

Who would they have been disagreeing with ? The bible or the wr editorial staff??

Simple question but the answer has powerful ramifications

Thz
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#2 Jan 4, 2013
bttt
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#3 Jan 4, 2013
UNchained wrote:
bttt
what did I tell you

Simple critical thinking questions always are the toughest

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#4 Jan 4, 2013
I doubt Gareth will give you an honest answer, Jace.
Most likely he/she will ignore this thread.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#5 Jan 5, 2013
jace wrote:
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what did I tell you
Simple critical thinking questions always are the toughest
Anerin/Gareth says that nonJW on this board do nothing but lie about the Watchtower Society.

He disappears when he is asked a direct question that requires him to step out of the Watchtower's box.

Since: Dec 12

Glasgow, UK

#6 Jan 5, 2013
think of the dynamics here........

people who are supposedly living in the truth...the light...the JW's

when the actual real truth comes a knocking at their door....they scarper

they run like cockroaches when the light shines on them

that should tell everyone lurking or unsure..who has the real truths

and it aint jehovahs witnesses

the truth stands....it doesn't run

aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#7 Jan 5, 2013
Normally witnesses steer clear of my front door when on their work. Recently a new witness called by and very soon wished she had walked by. She simply could not answer any of the points I brought up. Was not long before she decided she had to go lol
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#8 Jan 5, 2013
da ninja wrote:
think of the dynamics here........
people who are supposedly living in the truth...the light...the JW's
when the actual real truth comes a knocking at their door....they scarper
they run like cockroaches when the light shines on them
that should tell everyone lurking or unsure..who has the real truths
and it aint jehovahs witnesses
the truth stands....it doesn't run
This is how you know the jw is lost. Nth row out trinity and jw come running

Ask a critical thinking questions about their theology and we see jw stay away

But for me the most important thing is arming nonjw with what questions to ask

So they can see the reaction of jw like we see here
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#9 Jan 5, 2013
aadriver wrote:
Normally witnesses steer clear of my front door when on their work. Recently a new witness called by and very soon wished she had walked by. She simply could not answer any of the points I brought up. Was not long before she decided she had to go lol
Don't you love when they claim they got to get back with the group
When in fact I used to sit in the car waiting for jw to come back to the car group after they got into a GOOD house where they could control the topix

When online or at the door you ask the right question the jw runs for cover

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#10 Jan 5, 2013
Jace wrote:
When talking to a jw it is very important to ask very simple critical thinking questions
They are the most effective questions one can ask
As my fatherinlaw said
The problem is folks do not know WHAT questions to ask a jw and so vital questions are never addresses
Gareth here is your question
If a person disagreed with the wt editioral staff explanation of the faithful and discreet slave from day 1 up til Oct of 2012
Who would they have been disagreeing with ? The bible or the wr editorial staff??
Simple question but the answer has powerful ramifications
Thz
They would have been disagreeing with the BEST UNDERSTANDING of the Bible available to the Christian congregation as a whole.

We STILL don't know to what extent they might be disagreeing with the Bible or not because our understanding of the Bible is STILL not perfect.

But what we do know is that if they disagreed with the congregation understanding then what are the chances that their understanding is perfect and without error according to how God intended the Bible to be understood?

Unlikely. Most likely they would be disagreeing with the congregation's best understanding AND disagreeing with the Bible at the same time.

I mean you are arguing that being wrong in the smallest degree is "disagreeing with the Bible"... something I rather don't think sane people accept.

After all Jehovah's Witnesses understanding of the "faithful slave" has ALWAYS agreed with the Bible in that it has never contradicted any scriptures as best we understand them.

But God does not expect perfection. He expects us to obey the scriptures to the best of our ability. And the plain fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses have fare and away the BEST understanding of scripture.

The minor things they may still have wrong do not affect anyone except those weepers and gnashers with a religious agenda against Jehovah's people.

READERS interested in this ridiculous obsession over the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses are not perfect and openly admit that they are still LEARNING and IMPROVING can also read my answers from here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/

Jehovah's Witnesses' publications:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/

Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible teachings:
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#11 Jan 5, 2013
Jace asks:

If a person disagreed with the wt editioral staff explanation of the faithful and discreet slave from day 1 up til Oct of 2012

Who would they have been disagreeing with ? The bible or the wr editorial staff??
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
They would have been disagreeing with the BEST UNDERSTANDING of the Bible available to the Christian congregation as a whole.
We STILL don't know to what extent they might be disagreeing with the Bible or not because our understanding of the Bible is STILL not perfect.
But what we do know is that if they disagreed with the congregation understanding then what are the chances that their understanding is perfect and without error according to how God intended the Bible to be understood?
Unlikely. Most likely they would be disagreeing with the congregation's best understanding AND disagreeing with the Bible at the same time.
I mean you are arguing that being wrong in the smallest degree is "disagreeing with the Bible"... something I rather don't think sane people accept.
After all Jehovah's Witnesses understanding of the "faithful slave" has ALWAYS agreed with the Bible in that it has never contradicted any scriptures as best we understand them.
But God does not expect perfection. He expects us to obey the scriptures to the best of our ability. And the plain fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses have fare and away the BEST understanding of scripture.
The minor things they may still have wrong do not affect anyone except those weepers and gnashers with a religious agenda against Jehovah's people.
READERS interested in this ridiculous obsession over the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses are not perfect and openly admit that they are still LEARNING and IMPROVING can also read my answers from here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/
Jehovah's Witnesses' publications:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/
Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible teachings:
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/
Why would they be disfellowshiped for disagreeing with a GUESS from some UNINSPIRED men who write articles in a magazine and don't even sign their names to what they wrote which makes the GHOST WRITERS?
JACE

Woodbridge, VA

#12 Jan 5, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
They would have been disagreeing with the BEST UNDERSTANDING of the Bible available to the Christian congregation as a whole.
We STILL don't know to what extent they might be disagreeing with the Bible or not because our understanding of the Bible is STILL not perfect.
But what we do know is that if they disagreed with the congregation understanding then what are the chances that their understanding is perfect and without error according to how God intended the Bible to be understood?
Unlikely. Most likely they would be disagreeing with the congregation's best understanding AND disagreeing with the Bible at the same time.
I mean you are arguing that being wrong in the smallest degree is "disagreeing with the Bible"... something I rather don't think sane people accept.
After all Jehovah's Witnesses understanding of the "faithful slave" has ALWAYS agreed with the Bible in that it has never contradicted any scriptures as best we understand them.
But God does not expect perfection. He expects us to obey the scriptures to the best of our ability. And the plain fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses have fare and away the BEST understanding of scripture.
The minor things they may still have wrong do not affect anyone except those weepers and gnashers with a religious agenda against Jehovah's people.
READERS interested in this ridiculous obsession over the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses are not perfect and openly admit that they are still LEARNING and IMPROVING can also read my answers from here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/
Jehovah's Witnesses' publications:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/
Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible teachings:
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/
you wrote alot Gareth
but it was good to see that we both agree that such a person would have been disagreeing with the WT Editorial staff

at least we Agree on that point

thanks
JACE

Woodbridge, VA

#13 Jan 5, 2013
UNchained wrote:
Jace asks:
If a person disagreed with the wt editioral staff explanation of the faithful and discreet slave from day 1 up til Oct of 2012
Who would they have been disagreeing with ? The bible or the wr editorial staff??
<quoted text>
Why would they be disfellowshiped for disagreeing with a GUESS from some UNINSPIRED men who write articles in a magazine and don't even sign their names to what they wrote which makes the GHOST WRITERS?
since Gareth agreed that one would be disagreeing with the WT editorial staff, you do raise a good question
why df for disagreeing with some writers Guess
JACE

Woodbridge, VA

#14 Jan 5, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
They would have been disagreeing with the BEST UNDERSTANDING of the Bible available to the Christian congregation as a whole.
Did you mean the WT editorial staff?

and since the WT editorial staff BEST UNDERSTANDING WAS DOA it is kinda moot gareth

best understandings that are wrong for 90yrs and DOA don't carry much value

if your best understanding was that Grandma had Coke Cola stock in the Trunk for the last 90yrs and she dies and it turns out to be OLD SEARS CATOLOGS

aint no value there dude
JACE

Woodbridge, VA

#15 Jan 5, 2013
Aneirin
says

"READERS interested in this ridiculous obsession over the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses are not perfect and openly admit that they are still LEARNING and IMPROVING can also read my answers from here"

Gareth when this is your posiion ABOVE in regards to your denomnation,

IT IS COMPLETELY foolish to then turn around and dismiss 99.9% of every man woman and child who might disagree with "SOME OF THE RESULTS IN TEACHINGS" DUE TO YOUR LEARNING and IMPROVING PROGRAM

“On Satan’s side [at Armageddon] will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent”.. Even the professedly Christian organizations? Yes…"

-- Wt 10/15/58.

Gareth you can't HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
JACE

Woodbridge, VA

#16 Jan 5, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>

The minor things they may still have wrong do not affect anyone except those weepers and gnashers with a religious agenda against Jehovah's people.
for over 100yrs you have been directing folks to a group that was you said was THE MOUTH PC OF GOD while being told for decades that they were not

no religion or bible scholar taught that that 12,000 folks were the FDS only from the jw camp for about 90yrs and it was DOA

DOA teachings that are directed by the angels is sad man

"....the heavenly messengers or angels of the Lord now used by the Lord in behalf of the remnant. These angels are invisible to human eyes and are there to carry out the orders of the Lord. No doubt they first hear the instruction which the Lord issues to his remnant and then these invisible messengers pass such instructions to the remnant"

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#17 Jan 5, 2013
Some points:

The Christian congregation's best understanding was never DOA. It has always been true in a number of respects - just not all.

In fact the teaching was LIVE and KICKING on "arrival" and have been growing ever since.

It is called "progressing in understanding" - that is what happens when God is LEADING you by holy spirit.

It is particularly true of prophecies like that recorded in Matthew 24 which is currently unfolding.

Also this teaching has nothing to do with the "Watchtower editorial staff" as Jace keeps falsely claiming.

This teaching comes from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses - those taking the lead in the CHristian congregation.

The Watchtower editorial staff simply prepare the literature for publication at the direction of the "Writing Committee".
Lol

United States

#18 Jan 6, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
They would have been disagreeing with the BEST UNDERSTANDING of the Bible available to the Christian congregation as a whole.
We STILL don't know to what extent they might be disagreeing with the Bible or not because our understanding of the Bible is STILL not perfect.
But what we do know is that if they disagreed with the congregation understanding then what are the chances that their understanding is perfect and without error according to how God intended the Bible to be understood?
Unlikely. Most likely they would be disagreeing with the congregation's best understanding AND disagreeing with the Bible at the same time.
I mean you are arguing that being wrong in the smallest degree is "disagreeing with the Bible"... something I rather don't think sane people accept.
After all Jehovah's Witnesses understanding of the "faithful slave" has ALWAYS agreed with the Bible in that it has never contradicted any scriptures as best we understand them.
But God does not expect perfection. He expects us to obey the scriptures to the best of our ability. And the plain fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses have fare and away the BEST understanding of scripture.
The minor things they may still have wrong do not affect anyone except those weepers and gnashers with a religious agenda against Jehovah's people.
Wow!!!!

You are A MASTER of doublespeak.

You are wrong that the "best" understanding of the GB doesn't affect anyone except those you spoke of.

The GB's interpretation of scripture negatively affects EVERY JW that believes they have the truth and it affects all of their family members.
Lol

United States

#19 Jan 6, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
Some points:
The Christian congregation's best understanding was never DOA. It has always been true in a number of respects - just not all.
In fact the teaching was LIVE and KICKING on "arrival" and have been growing ever since.
It is called "progressing in understanding" - that is what happens when God is LEADING you by holy spirit.
It is particularly true of prophecies like that recorded in Matthew 24 which is currently unfolding.
Also this teaching has nothing to do with the "Watchtower editorial staff" as Jace keeps falsely claiming.
This teaching comes from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses - those taking the lead in the CHristian congregation.
The Watchtower editorial staff simply prepare the literature for publication at the direction of the "Writing Committee".
Are you saying that the GB personally write all of the literature provided to JW's?

Do they at least proofread each article or publication? Do you know how things operate at the WTS? Please explain who the "writing comittee" are.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#20 Jan 6, 2013
Lol wrote:
Are you saying that the GB personally write all of the literature provided to JW's?
Not at al. I suggest you read it again.

Aneirin: "This teaching comes from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses - those taking the lead in the Christian congregation."
Lol wrote:
Do they at least proofread each article or publication? Do you know how things operate at the WTS? Please explain who the "writing comittee" are.
The Governing Body are responsible for the teaching itself.

The Writing Committee are responsible for what articles are produced and the "editorial staff" simply do what the Writing Committee tell them.

The Writing Committee is one of six committee's that the Governing Body organize and attend that oversee various aspects of the work.

*** w10 6/15 pp. 3-4 United in Love—Annual Meeting Report ***

Governing Body Committees

In 1976, all activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses were brought under the supervision of the six committees of the Governing Body. Later, members of the other sheep class were appointed as helpers. Now 23 assist with the work being done. Six of them were interviewed. They have a total of 341 years of full-time service—an average of 57 years each.

Don Adams, who came to Bethel in 1943, explained that the Coordinators’ Committee is composed of the coordinators of the five other committees, which ensures that all five work together smoothly. This committee responds to major emergencies, persecution, court cases, disasters, and other urgent matters affecting Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide.
Dan Molchan described the work of the Personnel Committee, which oversees the spiritual and physical well-being of the 19,851 Bethelites worldwide. David Sinclair spoke of how the Publishing Committee oversees the purchasing of supplies and equipment for branches. Next, Robert Wallen, who has served at Bethel for nearly 60 years, told how the Service Committee supervises the activity of Jehovah’s people in the field and in the congregations. William Malenfant outlined the hard work the Teaching Committee does to prepare a convention program. Finally, John Wischuk described how the Writing Committee oversees the careful preparation and processing of material for our publications.

*** w90 1/15 p. 26 Godly Devotion—Beneficial for All Things ***

In modern times the Governing Body has been closely identified with the editorial staff of the Watch Tower Society and its board of directors. But the Governing Body differs from that legal corporation...

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