The WTBTS and 1975
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“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Weston super Mare

#1 Dec 25, 2012
1966: Awake October 8:
"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end".

10 years later, 1976 Watchtower July 15:

"But it is not advisable for us to set our sights on a certain date, neglecting everyday things we would ordinarily care for as Christians, such as things that we and our families really need. We may be forgetting that, when the “day” comes, it will not change the principle that Christians must at all times take care of all their responsibilities. If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises."
bystander no more

Elk Grove, CA

#2 Dec 25, 2012
The WTBTS underestimated Jehovah's long-suffering, mercy and patience.

Humankind has been underestimating Jehovah from the very beginning, starting with Adam.

"O the depth of God's riches and wisdom and knowledge!...For 'who has come to know Jehovah's mind...?'...Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen." (Romans 11:33-36)
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#3 Dec 25, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
The WTBTS underestimated Jehovah's long-suffering, mercy and patience.
Humankind has been underestimating Jehovah from the very beginning, starting with Adam.
"O the depth of God's riches and wisdom and knowledge!...For 'who has come to know Jehovah's mind...?'...Because from him and by him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen." (Romans 11:33-36)
And at the same time that the WTBTS underestimated Jehovah's long-suffering, mercy and patience they told JW's that God was going to have to kill everyone who disagreed with their timeline.

Since: Jul 10

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#4 Dec 25, 2012
Mikronboy wrote:
1966: Awake October 8:
"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end".
10 years later, 1976 Watchtower July 15:
"But it is not advisable for us to set our sights on a certain date, neglecting everyday things we would ordinarily care for as Christians, such as things that we and our families really need. We may be forgetting that, when the “day” comes, it will not change the principle that Christians must at all times take care of all their responsibilities. If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises."
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. Never once thinking that the food that they have been feeding the members was tainted ..by their thinking that they .. were anointed and appointed.. And thinking that they could speculate and feed the members hype at every feeding and not wind many of them up like a 10 day clock.. And then..after they've done it .. they lay the guilt trip on the members..( Beat the sheep ) for eating the crap they'd been fed... Oyi! Maybe the job of insiting to Love and find works... Isn't good enough.. nor is God's word.. They throw in a bunch of spices that over power the message..and are mostly WTS.filler..
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Dec 25, 2012
Does anybody know how many subscribers to the watchtower were in 1975 compared to to 1976?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#6 Dec 26, 2012
Mikronboy wrote:
1966: Awake October 8:
"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end".
10 years later, 1976 Watchtower July 15:
"But it is not advisable for us to set our sights on a certain date, neglecting everyday things we would ordinarily care for as Christians, such as things that we and our families really need. We may be forgetting that, when the “day” comes, it will not change the principle that Christians must at all times take care of all their responsibilities. If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises."
What Mikronboy deliberately neglected to tell you:

*** w66 10/15 p. 631 Rejoicing over “God’s Sons of Liberty” Spiritual Feast ***

Does it mean that God’s rest day began 4026 B.C.E.? It could have. The Life Everlasting book does not say it did not. The book merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it

*** w67 5/1 p. 262 Where Are We According to God’s Timetable?***

Interestingly, the autumn of the year 1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. This is ascertainable from reliable chronology preserved in the Bible itself. What will that year mean for humankind? Will it be the time when God executes the wicked and starts off the thousand-year reign of his Son Jesus Christ? It very well could, but we will have to wait to see.

*** w68 5/1 pp. 272-273 par. 8 Making Wise Use of the Remaining Time ***

Does this mean that the year 1975 will bring the battle of Armageddon? No one can say with certainty what any particular year will bring. Jesus said:“Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows.”(Mark 13:32) Sufficient is it for God’s servants to know for a certainty that, for this system under Satan, time is running out rapidly.

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Weston super Mare

#7 Dec 26, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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What Mikronboy deliberately neglected to tell you:
*** w66 10/15 p. 631 Rejoicing over “God’s Sons of Liberty” Spiritual Feast ***
Does it mean that God’s rest day began 4026 B.C.E.? It could have. The Life Everlasting book does not say it did not. The book merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it
*** w67 5/1 p. 262 Where Are We According to God’s Timetable?***
Interestingly, the autumn of the year 1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. This is ascertainable from reliable chronology preserved in the Bible itself. What will that year mean for humankind? Will it be the time when God executes the wicked and starts off the thousand-year reign of his Son Jesus Christ? It very well could, but we will have to wait to see.
*** w68 5/1 pp. 272-273 par. 8 Making Wise Use of the Remaining Time ***
Does this mean that the year 1975 will bring the battle of Armageddon? No one can say with certainty what any particular year will bring. Jesus said:“Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows.”(Mark 13:32) Sufficient is it for God’s servants to know for a certainty that, for this system under Satan, time is running out rapidly.
Ah..that's all very well, BUT:

See, I was around and an active witness prior to 1975. Up until 1972 actually. I saw what went on and how the hype was presented.

In 1966 at the Cardiff District Assembly, the 1975 thing was first presented, then a few weeks later at Blackpool. I was present for both assemblies.

It was INCREDIBLE! The talk was of nothing but 1975. 1975 was repeated over and over again in WT scripted lectures from the assembly platform.

Let me be very clear about this. The WT may have wheedled in a couple of get-out lines into its publications just in case their prophecies went tits up, but from assembly platforms the scripted word was loud and clear. 1975 was to be the start of the big A!

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#8 Dec 26, 2012
Mikronboy wrote:
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Ah..that's all very well, BUT:
See, I was around and an active witness prior to 1975. Up until 1972 actually. I saw what went on and how the hype was presented.
In 1966 at the Cardiff District Assembly, the 1975 thing was first presented, then a few weeks later at Blackpool. I was present for both assemblies.
It was INCREDIBLE! The talk was of nothing but 1975. 1975 was repeated over and over again in WT scripted lectures from the assembly platform.
Let me be very clear about this. The WT may have wheedled in a couple of get-out lines into its publications just in case their prophecies went tits up, but from assembly platforms the scripted word was loud and clear. 1975 was to be the start of the big A!
TRANSLATION:

Mikronboy has no proof that Jehovah's Witnesses made a "prophecy" about 1975.

WHY?

Because they didn't - but anti-JW propaganda merchants like to try to make it sound like they did.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not make prophecies, they never have done, it is all a trick by anti-JW propaganda merchants to call them "false prophets" when they have done no such thing.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not attempt or even pretend to predict the future. All they do is INTERPRET the future predictions found in the Bible.

And they openly admit that understanding Bible prophecy is an ongoing task and subject to improved understanding over time.

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Weston super Mare

#9 Dec 26, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
TRANSLATION:
Mikronboy has no proof that Jehovah's Witnesses made a "prophecy" about 1975.
WHY?
Because they didn't - but anti-JW propaganda merchants like to try to make it sound like they did.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not make prophecies, they never have done, it is all a trick by anti-JW propaganda merchants to call them "false prophets" when they have done no such thing.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not attempt or even pretend to predict the future. All they do is INTERPRET the future predictions found in the Bible.
And they openly admit that understanding Bible prophecy is an ongoing task and subject to improved understanding over time.
OK, so you say I have no proof.

I told you how the idea of 1975 was repeated over and over again at assemblies.

I told you that I was actually THERE!

We were told that the door would be shut BEFORE 1975.

We were told to stay alive til 75!

And here is the proof that you say I haven't got:

Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Dec 26, 2012
I was at the 1963 assembly at the Rose Bowl, Pasadena California when they anounced 1975 would be the end of this system of things.I heard it with my own ears, like it was yesterday!
Governing Body Member

Monticello, NY

#11 Dec 26, 2012
Remember the saying "Stay alive to 75". This was the breakfast slogan at bethel.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#12 Dec 26, 2012
Mikronboy wrote:
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OK, so you say I have no proof.
I told you how the idea of 1975 was repeated over and over again at assemblies.
I told you that I was actually THERE!
We were told that the door would be shut BEFORE 1975.
We were told to stay alive til 75!
And here is the proof that you say I haven't got:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0py36AEsOUkXX
That recording says POSSIBLY Armageddon.

What is it about the word POSSIBLY that you are having trouble understanding?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#13 Dec 26, 2012
What the Watchtower was REALLY teaching people about 1975:

*** w74 10/15 p. 635 Growing in Appreciation for the “Divine Purpose”***

The publications of Jehovah’s witnesses have shown that, according to Bible chronology, it appears that 6,000 years of man’s existence will be completed in the mid-1970’s. But these publications have never said that the world’s end would come then. Nevertheless, there has been considerable individual speculation on the matter. So the assembly presentation “Why We Have Not Been Told ‘That Day and Hour’” was very timely. It emphasized that we do not know the exact time when God will bring the end.

Since: Aug 09

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#14 Dec 26, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
What the Watchtower was REALLY teaching people about 1975:
*** w74 10/15 p. 635 Growing in Appreciation for the “Divine Purpose”***
The publications of Jehovah’s witnesses have shown that, according to Bible chronology, it appears that 6,000 years of man’s existence will be completed in the mid-1970’s. But these publications have never said that the world’s end would come then. Nevertheless, there has been considerable individual speculation on the matter. So the assembly presentation “Why We Have Not Been Told ‘That Day and Hour’” was very timely. It emphasized that we do not know the exact time when God will bring the end.
I've spoken to many people that I trust and love, namely my mother, grandmother, my wifes mother, etc. who lived during that time and they admit that some were saying it was the end while others were not.

The fact is that 1975 was a terrible mistake made by JW's. It does not mean that JW's are or were false prophets either. That's what people don't get.

Since: Aug 09

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#15 Dec 26, 2012
*** g93 3/22 p. 4 Why So Many False Alarms?***
Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say,‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said:“We have not the gift of prophecy.”(January 1883, page 425)“Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.”(December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.”(May 15, 1947, page 157)“The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.”(August 15, 1950, page 263)“The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers.(2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views.(Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.
Governing Body Member

Monticello, NY

#16 Dec 26, 2012
Keep awake to 2038.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#17 Dec 26, 2012
1914,1999,1975,2011,2012, and what is next?
Governing Body Member

Monticello, NY

#18 Dec 26, 2012
apple wrote:
1914,1999,1975,2011,2012, and what is next?
it is 2038

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Weston super Mare

#19 Dec 26, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
*** g93 3/22 p. 4 Why So Many False Alarms?***
Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say,‘These are the words of Jehovah.’
Strawman. Prior to 1975 The WT publications never used the expression ‘These are the words of Jehovah’ at any time about anything.

Notice how they say Never in THESE INSTANCES, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say,‘These are the words of Jehovah.’

Using "these instances" implies that there were other instances when the expression WOULD be used - which of course is misleading in the extreme, as the expression was never used prior to 1975 about ANYTHING.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#20 Dec 26, 2012
Governing Body Member wrote:
<quoted text> it is 2038
guess is 2014, chinese means guaranteed must end. lol

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