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Pat

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#1 Mar 23, 2014
It is Jesus not His Father that is the savior of mankind , Jesus was the sacrifice his Father accepted .
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot." —1st Peter 1:18,19

“...and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin”(1st John 1:7). What a wonderful Savior! Jesus paid a debt of sin that He did not owe, because we owed a debt of sin that we could not pay. Our sins had to be paid for with Jesus' blood.

“Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” Jesus' blood didn't atone for our sins; but rather, took them away forever!

Hebrews 9:24-26 state,“For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now ONCE in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

13looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. 15These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

Paul says, "Ye are not your own? for ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's" (I Cor. 6:19-20).
That price was Jesus blood he bought us .The Father did not die for us to save us from sin JESUS DID .
Pat

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#2 Mar 23, 2014
1 John 4:14:
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

THE FATHER SENT THE SON TO BE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD

John 3:16–18:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved [attain wholeness].
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 4:40–42:
So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
And many more believed because of his own word;
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.

Acts 5:29-33
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Savior, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

Acts 13:22-23
And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Savior, Jesus:

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 2 Tim
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#3 Mar 23, 2014
Nope wrong again Pat

God loved the world so much HE SENT HIS SON..'

Please note that Jesus was SENT

Jesus himself says

John 12 [49]

"I don't speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it."

And even the works Jesus did, he says

John 14:10

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority.

Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

So Jehovah is certainly our savior by sending us his son in the likeness of flesh..and Jesus subjected his will to his Fathers will to bring about salvation

And Jesus certainly honors his Father by obeying his will and presenting his blood on the altar for us...

The name JESUS..Jehovah saves..says it all.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#4 Mar 23, 2014
Nope wrong again Pat

God loved the world so much HE SENT HIS SON..'

Please note that Jesus was SENT

Jesus himself says

John 12 [49]

"I don't speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it."

And even the works Jesus did, he says

John 14:10

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority.

Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

So Jehovah is certainly our savior by sending us his son in the likeness of flesh..and Jesus subjected his will to his Fathers will to bring about salvation

And Jesus certainly honors his Father by obeying his will and presenting his blood on the altar for us...

The name JESUS..Jehovah saves..says it all.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#5 Mar 23, 2014
Pat wrote:
1 John 4:14:
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
THE FATHER SENT THE SON TO BE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD
John 3:16–18:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Savior, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
That says it ' The FATHER sent the Son to be savior of the world.'

says it all don't you believe?

The Son is the one who has to carry out the mission his Father sent him on..the Father sent him as savior..

Jesus..Jehovah saves...Hallelujah..

Jehovah sent Jesus as savior...so who is primary savior ..the one that 'sends' or the one 'sent'

If America sends troops to carry out a rescue mission overseas, who is the rescuer , America or the troops?

Or both ..because the troops can do nothing without the order of command.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#6 Mar 23, 2014
little lamb wrote:
Nope wrong again Pat
God loved the world so much HE SENT HIS SON..'
Please note that Jesus was SENT
Jesus himself says
John 12 [49]
"I don't speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it."
And even the works Jesus did, he says
John 14:10
Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority.
Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
So Jehovah is certainly our savior by sending us his son in the likeness of flesh..and Jesus subjected his will to his Fathers will to bring about salvation
And Jesus certainly honors his Father by obeying his will and presenting his blood on the altar for us...
The name JESUS..Jehovah saves..says it all.
Then he escorted them out and said,“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
So they said,“Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household.”
Acts 16:30-31

This is the message of faith that we proclaim:
if you confess with your mouth,“Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:8-9

There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.
Acts 4:12
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#7 Mar 23, 2014
UNchained wrote:
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Then he escorted them out and said,“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
So they said,“Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household.”
Acts 16:30-31
This is the message of faith that we proclaim:
if you confess with your mouth,“Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:8-9
There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.
Acts 4:12
that is right ...I believe on the lord Jesus Christ..

I confess " Jesus is Lord"

I believe there is no salvation found among men for us to be saved

And I believe and do all this because it is the will of Jehovah that we kiss the Son, lest he becomes angry.

I believe all you post above comes about because of Jehovah Gods will

As Jesus said before he was killed " Let your will not mine be done.'
Pat

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#8 Mar 24, 2014
little lamb wrote:
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That says it ' The FATHER sent the Son to be savior of the world.'
says it all don't you believe?
The Son is the one who has to carry out the mission his Father sent him on..the Father sent him as savior..
Jesus..Jehovah saves...Hallelujah..
Jehovah sent Jesus as savior...so who is primary savior ..the one that 'sends' or the one 'sent'
If America sends troops to carry out a rescue mission overseas, who is the rescuer , America or the troops?
Or both ..because the troops can do nothing without the order of command.
YOU like to argue , of course He SENT his son so what JESUS IS THE SAVIOR he died he was the sacrifice accepted for our salvation the Father did not die for us JESUS did .
Jesus said no one takes my life from me I lay it down and can take it up again .Jesus didn't have to come , he could have said no .
THE TROOPS are the rescuer , they risk their lives and lose them for the cause .
America may have sent them they done the work and deserve the credit .Jesus died , done the work he deserves the credit and His FATHER gave it to Him not Himself .
Pat

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#9 Mar 24, 2014
The Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, entered time and history through the Incarnation. "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth" (John 1:14). Jesus Christ, the Son of God (Mark 1:1, Romans 1:4), is a gift of love from the Father for the salvation of the world (John 3:16-17), the one who died for all of mankind (2 Corinthians 5:15), our "Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 3:21).

The FATHER planned our redemption and what would be required the Son carried out the plans and died and rose again according to scripture Jesus is our only savior and there is salvation in no one else no there name .
JOHN 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me ( Jesus ) he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
ACTS 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

HEBREWS 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
LUKE 2:10-14 But the angel said to them,“Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#10 Mar 24, 2014
Pat wrote:
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YOU like to argue , of course He SENT his son so what JESUS IS THE SAVIOR he died he was the sacrifice accepted for our salvation the Father did not die for us JESUS did .
Jesus said no one takes my life from me I lay it down and can take it up again .Jesus didn't have to come , he could have said no .
THE TROOPS are the rescuer , they risk their lives and lose them for the cause .
America may have sent them they done the work and deserve the credit .Jesus died , done the work he deserves the credit and His FATHER gave it to Him not Himself .
She's under the Watchtower's spell and until she breaks free from it she will never understand.

She is is also in denial about being under the spell because she don't know she is under the spell.

Every former JW who reads her posts figures it out in a few minutes.

We were just like her until the Holy Spirit shook the spell off us.
Pat

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#11 Mar 24, 2014
UNchained wrote:
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She's under the Watchtower's spell and until she breaks free from it she will never understand.
She is is also in denial about being under the spell because she don't know she is under the spell.
Every former JW who reads her posts figures it out in a few minutes.
We were just like her until the Holy Spirit shook the spell off us.
I studied with them saw the warning signs and said NO MORE so they never got me thank God .Glad you're free and can proclaim Christ crucified . God bless .
Pat

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#12 Mar 24, 2014
Good News , no you haven't been to bad that God will not save you
If Jesus would save a murderer like Saul (later to become the Apostle Paul), then he will save anybody! If Jesus would save a drunkard like Noah, then He will save anybody. If Jesus would save an adulterer like David, then He will save anybody. God will receive any repent sinner that comes to Jesus Christ for salvation (John 6:37).
The entire Bible is based upon the FACT that God loves mankind, so much so that God the Father sent His only begotten Son into the world to suffer and die for our sins. Romans 5:8,9 reads, "But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him."
Pat

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#13 Mar 25, 2014
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Acts 10:43
All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
YOU have not been so bad God will not save you , everyone means every one repent of the sin and ask Jesus into your heart and life he loves you .
Flame

Washington, DC

#14 Mar 25, 2014
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Then he escorted them out and said,“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
So they said,“Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household.”
Acts 16:30-31
This is the message of faith that we proclaim:
if you confess with your mouth,“Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:8-9
There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.
Acts 4:12
Well,
Apostapposers heavyweight jace doesn't agree with you.
What do you think about that?
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#15 Mar 25, 2014
Flame wrote:
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Well,
Apostapposers heavyweight jace doesn't agree with you.
What do you think about that?
A lot of people don't agree with me, including you.

If you are trying to start an argument find something constructive to occupy your time.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#16 Mar 25, 2014
Pat wrote:
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YOU like to argue , of course He SENT his son so what JESUS IS THE SAVIOR he died he was the sacrifice accepted for our salvation the Father did not die for us JESUS did .
Jesus said no one takes my life from me I lay it down and can take it up again .Jesus didn't have to come , he could have said no .
THE TROOPS are the rescuer , they risk their lives and lose them for the cause .
America may have sent them they done the work and deserve the credit .Jesus died , done the work he deserves the credit and His FATHER gave it to Him not Himself .
Not arguing ..Jesus did a wonderful thing for us...just bringing to your attention that Jesus did not will to go through with it...and that is something you appear not to understand

Jesus said to his Father in heaven,' if it is possible remove this cup from me, nevertheless not my will be done but thine.

In other words it was Jehovah Gods will that Jesus die for our sins...

Jesus submitted his will, but he did ask God to be let off if it was possible.

i just bring Jehovah God into your threads because you like to leave him out, as being the only savior...

but Jesus really prayed sweating droplets of blood whilst petitioning Jehovah ,

before he submitted his will.
Pat

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#17 Mar 25, 2014
little lamb wrote:
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Not arguing ..Jesus did a wonderful thing for us...just bringing to your attention that Jesus did not will to go through with it...and that is something you appear not to understand
Jesus said to his Father in heaven,' if it is possible remove this cup from me, nevertheless not my will be done but thine.
In other words it was Jehovah Gods will that Jesus die for our sins...
Jesus submitted his will, but he did ask God to be let off if it was possible.
i just bring Jehovah God into your threads because you like to leave him out, as being the only savior...
but Jesus really prayed sweating droplets of blood whilst petitioning Jehovah ,
before he submitted his will.
JESUS IS OUR ONLY SAVIOR .He of course did his father's will and he did say those words , it was his humanity speaking .I left God the Father out of nothing .I said He plannned our means of redemption , I said Jesus came do do the will of his father and was obedient until his death .I HAVE NEVER SAID DIFFERENT but the Father is not our savior that would be the Son , whose blood was shed for our sin as our sacrifice .
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#18 Mar 26, 2014
Pat wrote:
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JESUS IS OUR ONLY SAVIOR .He of course did his father's will and he did say those words , it was his humanity speaking .I left God the Father out of nothing .I said He plannned our means of redemption , I said Jesus came do do the will of his father and was obedient until his death .I HAVE NEVER SAID DIFFERENT but the Father is not our savior that would be the Son , whose blood was shed for our sin as our sacrifice .
See that is where I disagree with you Pat..

Isaiah 43 '10] You are my witnesses is the utterance of Jehovah , even my servant whom I have chosen , in order that you may know and have faith in me , and that you may understand that I am , the same one , before me there was no God formed and after me there continued to be none

I am Jehovah , and besides me there is no savior.'

Jesus has been sent by our savior God , to be our savior.,,and Jesus has the work of reconciling us to this Savior Great Gd...as Jesus mediates his covenant , between God and men.
Pat

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#19 Mar 26, 2014
little lamb wrote:
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See that is where I disagree with you Pat..
Isaiah 43 '10] You are my witnesses is the utterance of Jehovah , even my servant whom I have chosen , in order that you may know and have faith in me , and that you may understand that I am , the same one , before me there was no God formed and after me there continued to be none
I am Jehovah , and besides me there is no savior.'
Jesus has been sent by our savior God , to be our savior.,,and Jesus has the work of reconciling us to this Savior Great Gd...as Jesus mediates his covenant , between God and men.
God was talking to Jacob / Israel he said
But now, this is what the Lord says—
he who created you, Jacob,
he who formed you, Israel:
“Do not fear, for I have redeemed you;
he did redeem them / and him .
I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
2 When you pass through the waters,
I will be with you;
and when you pass through the rivers,
they will not sweep over you.
When you walk through the fire,
you will not be burned;
the flames will not set you ablaze.
3 For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
I give Egypt for your ransom,
Cush[a] and Seba in your stead.
4 Since you are precious and honored in my sight,
and because I love you,
I will give people in exchange for you,
nations in exchange for your life.
GOD was speaking to Jacob talking about redeeming them .
Jesus is the only Savior of mankind there is no other .
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#20 Mar 26, 2014
Pat wrote:
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God was talking to Jacob / Israel he said
But now, this is what the Lord says—
he who created you, Jacob,
he who formed you, Israel:
“Do not fear, for I have redeemed you;
he did redeem them / and him .
I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
2 When you pass through the waters,
I will be with you;
and when you pass through the rivers,
they will not sweep over you.
When you walk through the fire,
you will not be burned;
the flames will not set you ablaze.
3 For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
I give Egypt for your ransom,
Cush[a] and Seba in your stead.
4 Since you are precious and honored in my sight,
and because I love you,
I will give people in exchange for you,
nations in exchange for your life.
GOD was speaking to Jacob talking about redeeming them .
Jesus is the only Savior of mankind there is no other .
That is right Pat he was talking to Jacob/ Israel

And we people of the nation have been grafted into the Israel of God ..so he is speaking to us.

For the new covenant was promised to the whole nation of Israel..and we people of the nations have been invited to share in the fatness of the root that holds us.

And Jesus saves us from sin, because Jehovah hates sin, and Jesus blood reconciles us back to the Great Jehovah, because it is the new covenant, which Jesus mediates whereby Jehovah promises to be our God and we his people.'

This is what Jesus has saved us for ,,,redeeming us from sin for a purpose

'You were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth"

see who he has redeemed us for?

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