How Elders are to be viewed--DreamWeaver and JR Brown

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jace

Clinton, MD

#1 Oct 10, 2012
Dreamweaver states from Beliefnet jw site:

"The elders are simply laymen that volunteer their time on a limited basis to the congregation. They’re not “professionals.”

"Unless, an elder is a witness to something, there’s nothing that distinguishes them from other adults when it comes to collaborating with the authorities."

JR Brown the WT spokesman:

Paducah Sun 1-28-01
Mario Moreno, associate general counsel at the church's New York headquarters,.
J.R. Brown, public affairs director for the church,


"Both Brown and Moreno said that the elders, who volunteer and are essentially untrained clergy, might err in their application of a policy"

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now the above is how jw want the elders to be viewed by THOSE OUTSIDE THE CONGO

but inside the congo these elders are called

Princes and Stars in the Right Hand of Christ

now would wouldn't the jw say this to nonjw

lol

they praise elders to high heaven and when they Jack up, o WE DON'T KNOW THEM
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#2 Oct 10, 2012
STOP IT!!!!

The JW mind just can't process that stuff.

Excellent post, BTW.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#3 Oct 10, 2012
To our great delight, prospective princes are in our very midst.
September 1, 1989 Watchtower
Page 22

Those on earth who correspond to the “princes” here described are not any “princes of the Church” in Christendom. They are the “elders,” the appointed “overseers” of the more than thirty-five thousand congregations of Jehovah’s delivered and restored people
October 1, 1975 Watchtower
Page 605

Pointing to this day of Kingdom rule by Jesus Christ, the prophet Isaiah foretold that a king would “reign for righteousness itself” and “princes” would rule “for justice itself.” Hence, elders in the present-day theocratic organization are handling the interests of the established heavenly Kingdom—princely service indeed!
September 15, 1989 Watchtower
Page 17

*** Christ’s Active Leadership Today ***

Thus, in tens of thousands of congregations, the righteous reigning King Jesus Christ is using “other sheep” as “princes” to protect his “sheep” from spiritual wind, rainstorm, and drought.
August 1, 1987 Watchtower
Page 19

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Houston, TX

#4 Oct 10, 2012
If you carefully consider every profession listed below, you note that the “professionals” required to report have exclusive access to children unsupervised by their parents.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_p...

Professionals Required to Report

Approximately 48 States, the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands designate professions whose members are mandated by law to report child maltreatment. Individuals designated as mandatory reporters typically have frequent contact with children. Such individuals may include:

Social workers
Teachers and other school personnel
Physicians and other health-care workers
Mental health professionals
Child care providers
Medical examiners or coroners
Law enforcement officers

05-18-12 Miscellaneous Deft. Watchtower and North Fremont Congregation's Trial Memorandum Filed

Testimony will be adduced at trial that it would have been very unusual, even in the early 1990's, for a single male in his 40's in a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses to take a girl between 9 and 11 years of age to his home by herself. The testimony of the elders and defendants' expert, Monica Applewhite, Ph.D., will bring out that a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is based on the family unit. Within the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, there is no "Sunday School," "church camp," or other children's activities in which children are separated from their parents. The parents of children in the congregation are expected to guide, direct and attend to the needs of their children. The elders are there to give spiritual guidance and direction and any other practical assistance possible, but the parents are there to monitor and discipline their children. Jehovah's Witness children are not separated from their parents for programs or activities.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#5 Oct 11, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
If you carefully consider every profession listed below, you note that the “professionals” required to report have exclusive access to children unsupervised by their parents.
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_p...
Professionals Required to Report
Approximately 48 States, the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands designate professions whose members are mandated by law to report child maltreatment. Individuals designated as mandatory reporters typically have frequent contact with children. Such individuals may include:
Social workers
Teachers and other school personnel
Physicians and other health-care workers
Mental health professionals
Child care providers
Medical examiners or coroners
Law enforcement officers
05-18-12 Miscellaneous Deft. Watchtower and North Fremont Congregation's Trial Memorandum Filed
Testimony will be adduced at trial that it would have been very unusual, even in the early 1990's, for a single male in his 40's in a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses to take a girl between 9 and 11 years of age to his home by herself. The testimony of the elders and defendants' expert, Monica Applewhite, Ph.D., will bring out that a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is based on the family unit. Within the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, there is no "Sunday School," "church camp," or other children's activities in which children are separated from their parents. The parents of children in the congregation are expected to guide, direct and attend to the needs of their children. The elders are there to give spiritual guidance and direction and any other practical assistance possible, but the parents are there to monitor and discipline their children. Jehovah's Witness children are not separated from their parents for programs or activities.
Do you believe that it should be reported to local authorities if child abuse is suspected?
Trilateral Commission

Monticello, NY

#6 Oct 11, 2012
It has been said that it is now becoming more and more difficult to interest the typical JW male to strive to become an elder.Perhaps now that they (the elder) can be liable personally for child abuse judgments will continue this trend.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#7 Oct 11, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you believe that it should be reported to local authorities if child abuse is suspected?
You expect any form of compassion from her?
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#8 Oct 11, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
<quoted text>
You expect any form of compassion from her?
No.

She's a heartless b*tch who consorts with demons.
Jace

New York, NY

#9 Oct 12, 2012
Trilateral Commission wrote:
It has been said that it is now becoming more and more difficult to interest the typical JW male to strive to become an elder.Perhaps now that they (the elder) can be liable personally for child abuse judgments will continue this trend.
Bingo

I agree

Whoever thought that organizing fellow jw to hawk wt book could result in losing your Ford Fairlane and shirt
Jace

New York, NY

#10 Oct 12, 2012
UNchained wrote:
To our great delight, prospective princes are in our very midst.
September 1, 1989 Watchtower
Page 22
Those on earth who correspond to the “princes” here described are not any “princes of the Church” in Christendom. They are the “elders,” the appointed “overseers” of the more than thirty-five thousand congregations of Jehovah’s delivered and restored people
October 1, 1975 Watchtower
Page 605
Pointing to this day of Kingdom rule by Jesus Christ, the prophet Isaiah foretold that a king would “reign for righteousness itself” and “princes” would rule “for justice itself.” Hence, elders in the present-day theocratic organization are handling the interests of the established heavenly Kingdom—princely service indeed!
September 15, 1989 Watchtower
Page 17
*** Christ’s Active Leadership Today ***
Thus, in tens of thousands of congregations, the righteous reigning King Jesus Christ is using “other sheep” as “princes” to protect his “sheep” from spiritual wind, rainstorm, and drought.
August 1, 1987 Watchtower
Page 19
When you take a group of people with limited education and bestow such lofty titles on Fred who works at the mill he walks tall knowing that while I may not be jack here on the job I am a prince back at the hall and as a result millions of jw turn to these men in regards to matters that Fred has no training. Knowledge of or any idea what he is doing

The result is folks lives get jacked up and the wt knows around the world in the four corners they got clowns making rulings over folks lives

So sad
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#11 Oct 12, 2012
To our great delight, prospective princes are in our very midst.
September 1, 1989 Watchtower
Page 22
Those on earth who correspond to the “princes” here described are not any “princes of the Church” in Christendom. They are the “elders,” the appointed “overseers” of the more than thirty-five thousand congregations of Jehovah’s delivered and restored people
October 1, 1975 Watchtower
Page 605
Pointing to this day of Kingdom rule by Jesus Christ, the prophet Isaiah foretold that a king would “reign for righteousness itself” and “princes” would rule “for justice itself.” Hence, elders in the present-day theocratic organization are handling the interests of the established heavenly Kingdom—princely service indeed!
September 15, 1989 Watchtower
Page 17
*** Christ’s Active Leadership Today ***
Thus, in tens of thousands of congregations, the righteous reigning King Jesus Christ is using “other sheep” as “princes” to protect his “sheep” from spiritual wind, rainstorm, and drought.
August 1, 1987 Watchtower
Page 19
Jace wrote:
<quoted text>
When you take a group of people with limited education and bestow such lofty titles on Fred who works at the mill he walks tall knowing that while I may not be jack here on the job I am a prince back at the hall and as a result millions of jw turn to these men in regards to matters that Fred has no training. Knowledge of or any idea what he is doing
The result is folks lives get jacked up and the wt knows around the world in the four corners they got clowns making rulings over folks lives
So sad
The only recognition Fred will ever get on the job is if he is made a straw boss and dumb as he is, he is probably smart enough to not take it because down at the kingdom hall he has as much clout as the CO, DO, BO, GB and sometimes even God especially when he starts reciting from the Watchtower without having the magazine in his hand to reference.

The brothers and sisters are impressed by that sort of stuff but down at the mill if he is straw boss he gets talked about behind his back and no one sits at the same table with him at lunch.
He's a nobody down at the salt mine who is despised but he's a prince at the kingdom hall who is looked up to.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#12 Oct 12, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
If you carefully consider every profession listed below, you note that the “professionals” required to report have exclusive access to children unsupervised by their parents.
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_p...
Professionals Required to Report
Approximately 48 States, the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands designate professions whose members are mandated by law to report child maltreatment. Individuals designated as mandatory reporters typically have frequent contact with children. Such individuals may include:
Social workers
Teachers and other school personnel
Physicians and other health-care workers
Mental health professionals
Child care providers
Medical examiners or coroners
Law enforcement officers
05-18-12 Miscellaneous Deft. Watchtower and North Fremont Congregation's Trial Memorandum Filed
Testimony will be adduced at trial that it would have been very unusual, even in the early 1990's, for a single male in his 40's in a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses to take a girl between 9 and 11 years of age to his home by herself. The testimony of the elders and defendants' expert, Monica Applewhite, Ph.D., will bring out that a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is based on the family unit. Within the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, there is no "Sunday School," "church camp," or other children's activities in which children are separated from their parents. The parents of children in the congregation are expected to guide, direct and attend to the needs of their children. The elders are there to give spiritual guidance and direction and any other practical assistance possible, but the parents are there to monitor and discipline their children. Jehovah's Witness children are not separated from their parents for programs or activities.
Thanks Nightmareweaver!!
You are right!
Jehovah's Witness parents are so brainwashed they are incapable in most cases, of protecting their own children from sexual predators of children, who are in their Jehovah's Witness cult.
That is why the Conti verdict was awarded.
The court wanted to send a wake up call to this disgusting practice of the WBTS
Elders were named for a reason!!
Look at Lise or Hoodwinked if you want to see how Jehovah's Witness parents who speak up are treated by their fellow "brothers and sisters"
Every time a Jehovah's witness tries to defend the pedophile paradise at the Kingdumb Hall, all they do is invoke rage.
You sound just like Jerry Sandusky, and so does fhpervert and diogenes who post that children of 11 and 13 are willing sexual partners to adult Jehovah's Witnesses.
Let's all pray that soon, more victims will come forward, and more JW pedophiles will go the way of Sandusky.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#13 Oct 12, 2012
Trilateral Commission wrote:
It has been said that it is now becoming more and more difficult to interest the typical JW male to strive to become an elder.Perhaps now that they (the elder) can be liable personally for child abuse judgments will continue this trend.
The elders were named publicly for the world to see that they aided and abetted in the crime of a child sexual assault of Candace Conti for a reason!
Try getting a job with that floating in cyberspace!!
Elders are nothing but uneducated twits, who only blindly follow what their puppet masters at WBTS control tell them to do.
They have no right to be "counseling" or "leading" and they DO cause much harm with their ignorance. They thrive on the power.
The ONLY qualification for an elder is to have a penis, read at 3rd grade level, and be 18. An Ministerial Servant can be a male child.
Starting to have more risks though.

“HATH UNDERSTANDING? RECKON...”

Since: Dec 06

whereprettyliesperish.ru

#14 Oct 12, 2012
hMMMMMWhorrorMom wrote:
The elders were named publicly for the world to see that [they aided and abetted] in the crime of a child sexual assault of Candace Conti for a reason!
[Emphasis added]

Proof?

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#15 Oct 12, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
If you carefully consider every profession listed below, you note that the “professionals” required to report have exclusive access to children unsupervised by their parents.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_p...

Professionals Required to Report

Approximately 48 States, the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands designate professions whose members are mandated by law to report child maltreatment. Individuals designated as mandatory reporters typically have frequent contact with children. Such individuals may include:

Social workers
Teachers and other school personnel
Physicians and other health-care workers
Mental health professionals
Child care providers
Medical examiners or coroners
Law enforcement officers

05-18-12 Miscellaneous Deft. Watchtower and North Fremont Congregation's Trial Memorandum Filed

Testimony will be adduced at trial that it would have been very unusual, even in the early 1990's, for a single male in his 40's in a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses to take a girl between 9 and 11 years of age to his home by herself. The testimony of the elders and defendants' expert, Monica Applewhite, Ph.D., will bring out that a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is based on the family unit. Within the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, there is no "Sunday School," "church camp," or other children's activities in which children are separated from their parents. The parents of children in the congregation are expected to guide, direct and attend to the needs of their children. The elders are there to give spiritual guidance and direction and any other practical assistance possible, but the parents are there to monitor and discipline their children. Jehovah's Witness children are not separated from their parents for programs or activities.
Every human being with a good heart condition will report. If you know or suspect and do not report you are enabling.

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#16 Oct 12, 2012
hMMMMM wrote:
<quoted text>The elders were named publicly for the world to see that they aided and abetted in the crime of a child sexual assault of Candace Conti for a reason!
Try getting a job with that floating in cyberspace!!
Elders are nothing but uneducated twits, who only blindly follow what their puppet masters at WBTS control tell them to do.
They have no right to be "counseling" or "leading" and they DO cause much harm with their ignorance. They thrive on the power.
The ONLY qualification for an elder is to have a penis, read at 3rd grade level, and be 18. An Ministerial Servant can be a male child.
Starting to have more risks though.
I wouldn't go so far as saying aiding and abetting, but enabling or at the very least a full fail at prevention.

“HATH UNDERSTANDING? RECKON...”

Since: Dec 06

whereprettyliesperish.ru

#17 Oct 12, 2012
hMMMMMWhorrorMom wrote:
You sound just like Jerry Sandusky, and so does fhpervert...who post that children of 11 and 13 are willing sexual partners to adult Jehovah's Witnesses.
In fact, I never posted such a thing, nor anything that could be misconstrued as indicating such - except in the mind of a sexually perverted libeler who constantly fantasizes about, and is obsessed with, pedophilia, like you, as your LONG history of posting sick-minded and demonstrably false accusations illustrates.

YOU, on the other hand, defended and expressed solidarity with and admiration for an individual who is a NAMBLA apologist, who believes that age of consent laws should be abolished and that children as young as nine years old can engage in "healthy" sexual relationships with adults.[1-3]

References:
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[1] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

[2] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

[3] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

See also:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Since: Feb 07

RI

#18 Oct 12, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
<quoted text>
Every human being with a good heart condition will report. If you know or suspect and do not report you are enabling.
Exactly. There is nothing that prevents them from reporting these crimes. Unfortunately, the JWs tend to feel that unless they will get in trouble with the law concerning a matter, they will do nothing.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#19 Oct 13, 2012
RedhorseWoman wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. There is nothing that prevents them from reporting these crimes. Unfortunately, the JWs tend to feel that unless they will get in trouble with the law concerning a matter, they will do nothing.
All a person has to do is look at how Jehovah's Witness mock both Lise and Hoodwinked, who were Jehovah'switnesses when they DID speak up and protect their child.
Jehovah'sWitness parents are to put "jehovah" first, and that means protecting the crimes of male jehovah's witness pedophiles, and not protecting their child.
It is sick and twisted, and part of the reason the Conti verdict was so large.
The pro-pedophile, child endangering policies of the governing demons, running the jehovah's witness cult need to change.

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