Watchtower: dinosaurs are NOT millions of years old

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“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#2 Jan 3, 2012
So, how do parents who are Watchtower followers handle this issue with their school-age children?

When their children come home from school having learned that dinosaurs lived MILLIONS of years ago, do these devout parents explain that dinosaurs actually lived several THOUSAND years ago?

“CHURCHOIDS- worship of church”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#3 Jan 3, 2012
Only the CHURCES say THAT, Olin!
Izzat who you are referring to?

Since: Sep 11

Paris, Canada

#4 Jan 3, 2012
You should have posted this on the why are jw's so well educated thread

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#5 Jan 3, 2012
Olin Moyle wrote:
So, how do parents who are Watchtower followers handle this issue with their school-age children?
When their children come home from school having learned that dinosaurs lived MILLIONS of years ago, do these devout parents explain that dinosaurs actually lived several THOUSAND years ago?
When I was a child my parents said dinosaurs had never existed. I was in my 20s and working at a college when I saw a dinosaur skeleton, that was a little hard to dismiss.

“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#6 Jan 3, 2012
the Mad JW wrote:
Only the CHURCES say THAT, Olin!
Izzat who you are referring to?
Did you even read my post?

Is this a statement by "the churches"?

11/8/1982 Awake, p.7: "The Bible record, together with verifiable history, indicates that the seventh day of that creative week covers a period of 7,000 years. Hence, each of the six preceding 'days' would be of the same length."

“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#7 Jan 3, 2012
And at least one Watchtower defender on this forum has confirmed that this doctrine has not changed.[1]

Reference:
[1] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

“CHURCHOIDS- worship of church”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#8 Jan 3, 2012
OUCH! I never saw that- for we know the EARTH has likely been around for that long...but NOT the Creative 'Days'!
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Looks like this COULD be another of our mistakes- IF Carbon 14 dating is as accurate as they THINK!
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At least we don't (as the Churches) believe Earth and the Universe is of that age!

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#9 Jan 3, 2012
The 7000 years of equal length theory hasn't been a specific teaching for ages.

In fact the last mention of it in any watchtower was I believe 1987 :-

"Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week.(Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long."

Now in our present day there really is no mention of this teaching actually being true.

This is what our most recent article which has by far the most sensible explanation of Genesis and Science actually being in unison i have ever seen. I recommend you get a copy.

"The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day.(Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day,“God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.”(Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.

How long, then, were the creative days? The Bible does not say; however, the wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.- Was life created(lc)(Pg 24-28)

“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#10 Jan 3, 2012
CMWYW wrote:
The 7000 years of equal length theory hasn't been a specific teaching for ages.
In fact the last mention of it in any watchtower was I believe 1987 :-
"Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week.(Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long."
Now in our present day there really is no mention of this teaching actually being true.
This is what our most recent article which has by far the most sensible explanation of Genesis and Science actually being in unison i have ever seen. I recommend you get a copy.
"The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day.(Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day,“God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.”(Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.
How long, then, were the creative days? The Bible does not say; however, the wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.- Was life created(lc)(Pg 24-28)
So, if an elder gave a talk from the platform and specifically stated that the "creative days" were 7000 years each, would he be teaching a falsehood?

“CHURCHOIDS- worship of church”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#11 Jan 3, 2012
Olin Moyle wrote:
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So, if an elder gave a talk from the platform and specifically stated that the "creative days" were 7000 years each, would he be teaching a falsehood?
It would be his OPINION.
We all HAVE 'em; we have to distinguish between the two.
Your question is likely why the WTBS turns speakers at assemblies into mere READERS, READING the talks given- instead of TEACHING.

“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#12 Jan 3, 2012
CMWYW wrote:
The 7000 years of equal length theory hasn't been a specific teaching for ages.
In fact the last mention of it in any watchtower was I believe 1987
Are you taking the position that Watchtower has abandoned its 7000-year creative day doctrine?

If so, can you please point to the reference that explains that creative days are not 7000 years each?

I ask this because the reference you cited earlier simply states that "The Bible does not say" how long the creative days were but "considerable lengths of time were involved."

This does not appear to be a repudiation of the 7000-year doctrine. It's just a more mealy-mouthed expression of it.

“CHURCHOIDS- worship of church”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#13 Jan 3, 2012
Olin, all ANYONE can do is GUESS.
Science flings "Billions" around like the U.S. Government.
All based on their dating methods and speculation.
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The difference between us and Churchianity is we guess using what we can see in scripture.
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Thus we KNOW the Earth & Universe could be BILLIONS of years or even more older, for Genesis opens saying the earth ALREADY existed and was a waste before the creative "days" began.
---and NOT 24 hour days, for it also refers to "the Day God made the heavens and the earth"!
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Much of Churchianity says ALL was made in 6 24-hour days!
abrother

Milan, MI

#14 Jan 3, 2012
Olin Moyle wrote:
So, how do parents who are Watchtower followers handle this issue with their school-age children?
When their children come home from school having learned that dinosaurs lived MILLIONS of years ago, do these devout parents explain that dinosaurs actually lived several THOUSAND years ago?
Where are you getting your "lame ass" idea, that the Witnesses believe that dinosaurs several thousand years ago? The latest information is that creative days could last thousands or million of years.

“CHURCHOIDS- worship of church”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#15 Jan 3, 2012
AB, why the rudeness; he is merely stating what he has heard- and that IS/WAS what our brotherhood believed!
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Do YOU have proof it's changed?
abrother

Milan, MI

#16 Jan 3, 2012
the Mad JW wrote:
AB, why the rudeness; he is merely stating what he has heard- and that IS/WAS what our brotherhood believed!
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Do YOU have proof it's changed?
It have been changed for years, a matter of fact I went to a congregation to hear a talk and the outline of the talk brings out that some creative days could last thousands or millions years.

“CHURCHOIDS- worship of church”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#17 Jan 3, 2012
Well, don't get RUDE about it- after all, that's heh why I'm here!
(That was a JOKE)

“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#18 Jan 3, 2012
abrother wrote:
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It have been changed for years, a matter of fact I went to a congregation to hear a talk and the outline of the talk brings out that some creative days could last thousands or millions years.
In that case, it should be easy for you to provide some references from Watchtower literature stating that the "creative days" could last millions of years.

I eagerly await your response.
abrother

Milan, MI

#19 Jan 3, 2012
Olin Moyle wrote:
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In that case, it should be easy for you to provide some references from Watchtower literature stating that the "creative days" could last millions of years.
I eagerly await your response.
Since you brought this up do some research yourself!!

“CHURCHOIDS- worship of church”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#20 Jan 3, 2012
My question is: Does it MATTER- since it is ALL guesswork, anyhow?

“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#21 Jan 3, 2012
abrother wrote:
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Since you brought this up do some research yourself!!
I did.(see the first post in this thread, specifically the "references").

However, you are the one who asserted that "The latest information is that creative days could last thousands or million of years." [1]

You aren't just making things up, are you? Are you able to prove your assertion or not?

Time will tell.

References:
[1] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

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