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Hi I've come across this place while trying to find help from Jehovah's witnesses and Ex Jehovah's witnesses. I desprately need advice as to where I go from here. I am not a disfellowshipped witness but I no longer attend my kingdom hall. My parents are not happy that I no longer attend as of the last 3 months but I feel I must be true to myself. My parents are the best any child could hope for and I have some amazing friends whom I have literally grown up with but I do not feel I can be honest with myself as well as continue to attend meetings. I love all my brothers and sisters but I know I can not speak openly to them about my true feelings. I have researched over the past 2 and a half years and accidently came across things which have pierced my concience which in turn saw me researching more and more. I need help and I need to know where to go next? I will always love Jehovah and his son jesus but my concience will no longer allow me to keep the faith in which I have been raised. I'm so confused and need help. This confussion sucks :(
Hi many have asked the same questions, see what the bible says, this site has helped many b/s in similar dilema as you, I hope you find the answers you are looking for.

http://perimeno.ca/Index_A.htm

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Sawyer1989 wrote:
Hi I've come across this place while trying to find help from Jehovah's witnesses and Ex Jehovah's witnesses. I desprately need advice as to where I go from here. I am not a disfellowshipped witness but I no longer attend my kingdom hall. My parents are not happy that I no longer attend as of the last 3 months but I feel I must be true to myself. My parents are the best any child could hope for and I have some amazing friends whom I have literally grown up with but I do not feel I can be honest with myself as well as continue to attend meetings. I love all my brothers and sisters but I know I can not speak openly to them about my true feelings. I have researched over the past 2 and a half years and accidently came across things which have pierced my concience which in turn saw me researching more and more. I need help and I need to know where to go next? I will always love Jehovah and his son jesus but my concience will no longer allow me to keep the faith in which I have been raised. I'm so confused and need help. This confussion sucks :(
"Be true to myself"

This is where you error. Did you make a dedication to God and his Son Jesus Christ in baptism? If so then you come second to God's will!

(Mark 8:34). . .“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and follow me continually. . .

Question for you is, what is God's will for you, and have you really disowned yourself?

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Among many things I have found that new light may also be misapplied when the brothers have got something wrong. Our history appears littered with inconsistancies and contradictions.
Of course JWs have had things wrong in the past. This was foretold by Jehovah so that we wouldn't be surprised by mistakes made. After all, we were trying to overcome almost 2000 years of falsehoods taught by so called Christianity so it was to be expected.

Daniel 12:10 "Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined."

Ones who believe that God's organization should not make any mistakes are ones who disregard the prophecies made by God himself in favor of their own thinking. They put the way they would have handled matters above the way God foretold that he would handle matters.

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Sawyer...I'm currently a Bible Student and thinking of soon becoming an unbaptized publisher. I have a history of being around JWs (my mother) as a young child but she was basically inactive my entire childhood yet expected me to uphold all the beliefs. Needless to say that didn't go over well with me and I wanted nothing to do with JWs or religion in general. Now, I'm 38 and have a son and have learned the hard way the World doesn't have a thing to offer, so I contacted my study with many many questions.
I've asked hard questions including joining the UN, why the GB gets it wrong, etc. and I feel she's answered me very honestly and everything, for the most part, is proved via scripture. I, like you, have some doubts. I'm not convinced that the Governing Body is who they claim to be and I don't think the scriptures regarding "new light" means that they get to make mistakes in doctrine and be wishy washy, HOWEVER, as you have asked, WHERE ELSE CAN WE GO? I believe in God and the Bible. I believe that not everyone goes to Heaven. I believe the JWs have most things correct so what do we do? The bible clearly states you need to preach and also states you need to meet together in a congregation to incite love and fine works. I've done endless hours of private research into different religions and I can't find any that even come close to following the Bible as much as the JWs.
I plan on moving forward and I figure I have to trust God to judge me on the basis of the fact that I did my best to try and find the correct road to everlasting life and worked hard to follow his commandments and Jesus' teachings. I don't believe that Jehovah will destroy everyone who isn't a Witness, either.
Clearly I still have a lot to learn but I just wanted to share where I'm at with it all. Wish you the best of luck with whatever you decided.
You know the scripture doesn't say "where else can we go" right? It say John 6:68 Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

So, go to Jesus, not a cult.

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"Be true to myself"
This is where you error. Did you make a dedication to God and his Son Jesus Christ in baptism? If so then you come second to God's will!
(Mark 8:34). . .“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and follow me continually. . .
Question for you is, what is God's will for you, and have you really disowned yourself?
"There is a way that seems upright to a man but the ways of death are the ends of it afterward"--Proverbs 14:12.

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(James 4:8) 8 Draw close to God, and he will draw close to YOU. . .

leave other men out of this process. They can't guide you. you have to do it yourself.

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where to go.... well, the first step is to eat the bread and drink the wine, and go straight to jesus...

take your time, go down to the river and meditate...
continue to talk to ALL CHRISTIANS and nice people, and continue your spiritual journey.

hopefully the jw organization will disband soon, and many independant congregations will arise.
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Hi I've come across this place while trying to find help from Jehovah's witnesses and Ex Jehovah's witnesses. I desprately need advice as to where I go from here. I am not a disfellowshipped witness but I no longer attend my kingdom hall. My parents are not happy that I no longer attend as of the last 3 months but I feel I must be true to myself. My parents are the best any child could hope for and I have some amazing friends whom I have literally grown up with but I do not feel I can be honest with myself as well as continue to attend meetings. I love all my brothers and sisters but I know I can not speak openly to them about my true feelings. I have researched over the past 2 and a half years and accidently came across things which have pierced my concience which in turn saw me researching more and more. I need help and I need to know where to go next? I will always love Jehovah and his son jesus but my concience will no longer allow me to keep the faith in which I have been raised. I'm so confused and need help. This confussion sucks :(
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If you have doubts or things that seem to be erroneous in our teachings, post them here. Of course, the opposers are going to butter you up and slyly direct you to their websites so they can create even more doubts.
But let's not use any websites. Let's simply discuss what doubts you have as to the Biblical correctness of our teachings as JW's and examine them to see whether or not they are really in harmony with what the Bible teaches.

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To the original poster "Sawyer1989":

Allow me to raise an issue that will probably not make me very popular on this thread. Have you done any research into whether the Bible is what it claims to be - namely the spirit-inspired (God-breathed) word of an almighty infallible God?(2 Tim. 3:16)

It has been my experience that many professed Christians have not seriously examined whether the Bible is what it claims to be.

Many individuals do not want to confront these issues, but if you are sincerely interested in truth, then I think it makes sense to start from the beginning and ask the question: is the Bible what it claims to be?

Because the Bible claims to be the spirit-inspired word of an almighty infallible God who cannot lie, then the Bible cannot contain any falsehoods or contradictions. If the Bible contains one single falsehood or contradiction, then it cannot be what it claims to be.
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To the original poster "Sawyer1989":
Allow me to raise an issue that will probably not make me very popular on this thread. Have you done any research into whether the Bible is what it claims to be - namely the spirit-inspired (God-breathed) word of an almighty infallible God?(2 Tim. 3:16)
It has been my experience that many professed Christians have not seriously examined whether the Bible is what it claims to be.
Many individuals do not want to confront these issues, but if you are sincerely interested in truth, then I think it makes sense to start from the beginning and ask the question: is the Bible what it claims to be?
Because the Bible claims to be the spirit-inspired word of an almighty infallible God who cannot lie, then the Bible cannot contain any falsehoods or contradictions. If the Bible contains one single falsehood or contradiction, then it cannot be what it claims to be.
Haha, how hilarious. Opposers just simply couldn't dismiss JW's with the Bible, so now they have resorted to dismissing the Bible as God's Word altogether.

2 Peter 2:21 "For it would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it accurately to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 The saying of the true proverb has happened to them:“The dog has returned to ITS OWN VOMIT".

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Haha, how hilarious. Opposers just simply couldn't dismiss JW's with the Bible, so now they have resorted to dismissing the Bible as God's Word altogether.
As I predicted [1], my suggestion to examine whether the Bible is what it claims to be did not make me very popular on this thread. I wonder why that is the case?

Also, it is telling that this individual behind the pseudonym "Truth Seeker" fails to provide any evidence in support of his position but instead spews mindless rhetoric.

When folks don't want you to examine the truth of a matter, it makes me wonder what they're trying to hide.

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Olin Moyle wrote:
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As I predicted [1], my suggestion to examine whether the Bible is what it claims to be did not make me very popular on this thread. I wonder why that is the case?[/quote]
It's not very popular, because it's ridiculous and absurd to question the authenticity of the Bible at this point after it's been proven to be unequaled in accuracy, prophecy, and practicality for thousands of years now. Olin would've been one of those people going on and on about how there is no Belshazzar, Daniel is a liar! And he would've been ranting about how the Gospels are wrong because Pontius Pilate doesn't exist! And he would've been parading anyone who dared to believe that the mighty Babylonian empire would be come to its finish as a desolate waste; preposterous! he'd say. So no reasonable person is going to take your claims that the Bible isn't God's Word after seeing hundreds and hundreds of prophecies be fulfilled and thousands and thousands of ancient artifacts appearing that verify what the Bible said milleniums ago. There is no need to debate over such an unreasonable and senseless conjecture.
[QUOTE who="Olin Moyle"]<quoted text>Also, it is telling that this individual behind the pseudonym "Truth Seeker" fails to provide any evidence in support of his position but instead spews mindless rhetoric.
When folks don't want you to examine the truth of a matter, it makes me wonder what they're trying to hide.
What references of evidence do you want me to provide? That the Bible is God's Word? That JW's don't believe 2034 will mark the end? If you want to see if the Bible is God's Word or not, go get the Insight Volumes and God's Word or Man's and they will give you detailed references as to where they get their information from and you can verify the overwhelming evidence for yourself. It really isn't that hard.

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Un-Truth Speaker wrote:
If you want to see if the Bible is God's Word or not, go get the Insight Volumes and God's Word or Man's and they will give you detailed references as to where they get their information from and you can verify the overwhelming evidence for yourself. It really isn't that hard.
So you suggest that someone who wants to determine whether the Bible is what it claims to be should read materials published by your religious leaders that support the claim that the Bible is the infallible word of an almighty God.

Okay, do you think he should also read materials that do not have an agenda to prove that the Bible is the infallible word of an almighty God?
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Olin Moyle wrote:
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So you suggest that someone who wants to determine whether the Bible is what it claims to be should read materials published by your religious leaders that support the claim that the Bible is the infallible word of an almighty God.
Okay, do you think he should also read materials that do not have an agenda to prove that the Bible is the infallible word of an almighty God?
No, notice I said go get the books to find the REFERENCES we use and look them up for YOURSELF and compare them to the evidence that opposes the documented, verified information and then decide for yourself what to believe. Alot of the references we do use do not hail the Bible as God's Word, but they simply provide important historical information that one can use to verify the Bible's claims. Olin, I'm starting to think you're a 15 year old boy who watched too many episodes of the Naked Archaeologist on the History Channel.

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I hope Sawyer is seeing what he will become if he leaves God's organization. Its inevitable. Why? Because many who leave see that no other religion could have the truth and since they do not want to accept that only JWs have the truth this forces them to deny the Bible or even become an atheist. There are a few who return to the vomit of Christendom, but not many because their teachings are so anti-Bible.

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No, notice I said go get the books to find the REFERENCES we use and look them up for YOURSELF and compare them to the evidence that opposes the documented, verified information and then decide for yourself what to believe. Alot of the references we do use do not hail the Bible as God's Word, but they simply provide important historical information that one can use to verify the Bible's claims. Olin, I'm starting to think you're a 15 year old boy who watched too many episodes of the Naked Archaeologist on the History Channel.
So, to be clear, are you suggesting that someone who wants to determine whether the Bible is the inspired word of an almighty God should look at both sides of the issue by reading materials prepared (1) by your religious leaders, as well as (2) by those who argue that the Bible is not what it claims to be?

Would you recommend someone who is studying with the Witnesses do this?

How about someone who was raised as a Witness, baptized at age 12, and then starts to have some questions in his 20s? Would you recommend that he look at "both sides" as well?
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Olin Moyle wrote:
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So, to be clear, are you suggesting that someone who wants to determine whether the Bible is the inspired word of an almighty God should look at both sides of the issue by reading materials prepared (1) by your religious leaders, as well as (2) by those who argue that the Bible is not what it claims to be?[/quote]
I would recommend the information in the WT publications because it is thoroughly researched and accurate BUT for someone who is even more skeptical I would suggest they look at the references our publications are based on, compare it to whatever claims that cause them to doubt, and then decide for themselves.
[QUOTE who="Olin Moyle"]Would you recommend someone who is studying with the Witnesses do this?[/quote]
I don't have to recommend this because this is already done in all our publications, hence the extensive lists of references and source material that were used in research of the material on printed paper.
[QUOTE who="Olin Moyle"]How about someone who was raised as a Witness, baptized at age 12, and then starts to have some questions in his 20s? Would you recommend that he look at "both sides" as well?
Like I said, this is already done by someone who reads the WT publications. The WT publications provide extensive research and the references of their research, whenever they refute or deem unscriptural or incorrect a certain viewpoint or belief. Anyone who has doubts, can have them all dismantled if they simply study the WT publications the right way.

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Is it really so that God has said the Bible is his inspired Divine Word?--Sly opposers of JWs.

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Like I said, this is already done by someone who reads the WT publications. The WT publications provide extensive research and the references of their research, whenever they refute or deem unscriptural or incorrect a certain viewpoint or belief. Anyone who has doubts, can have them all dismantled if they simply study the WT publications the right way.
So you expect interested/questioning ones to trust that your religious leaders have not excluded any references which may contradict their positions?

Let's make my line of inquiry a bit more concrete.

Suppose someone has a question about contradictions in the New Testament. I trust that you would recommend that he review publications produced by your religious leaders to address these questions. What if he also wanted to read a book by Bart Ehrman, a scholar who argues that the New Testament has irreconcilable contradictions? See, e.g.,[1].

Do you think it would be fair to read "both sides" of the story, and then decide which position is correct?

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