how about a non trinity discussion??

Posted in the Jehovah's Witness Forum

First Prev
of 98
Next Last

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#1 Jan 19, 2013
from my reading the bible i come to beleive in the trinity... jws always want to discuss this one..
THEIR CLAIM JESUS is not god..
then they try to make us beleive that JESUS was and is an archangel by the name of michael..
now if any jw can prove this is real to me i will gladly give up the trinity thing..
any takers??
and PLEASE PLEASE lets only use YOUR NWT and YOUR KIT OR ED..
and i will ONLY USE MY KJV..
you may quote from your material as well and we will check to see if they are being honest with readers..
WANNA BET NO jw will be willing to simply discuss and PROVE what they beleive...
I DONT THINK THEY HAVE HAD THIS CHALLENGE HERE ON TOPIX YET..
have at it
will
little lamb

Australia

#2 Jan 19, 2013
Its only Jesus who makes the Fathers name known to us ..John 17 [25-26]

And who the Father is, its only Jesus who reveals him to us.

So just the fact that the word " trinity" is not scriptural, and has caused the death and persecution of other Christians in the past, should show by its fruitage..that there is something wrong and evil in using an non scriptural word to explain spiritual things.

And most Christians agree that Jesus will be called " mighty god", and that Jesus is ONE with the Father.

But to a Christian there is to us , only ONE GOD..THE FATHER ...and this is the one Jesus has come to reconcile us back to, with his blood.

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#3 Jan 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
Its only Jesus who makes the Fathers name known to us ..John 17 [25-26]
And who the Father is, its only Jesus who reveals him to us.
So just the fact that the word " trinity" is not scriptural, and has caused the death and persecution of other Christians in the past, should show by its fruitage..that there is something wrong and evil in using an non scriptural word to explain spiritual things.
And most Christians agree that Jesus will be called " mighty god", and that Jesus is ONE with the Father.
But to a Christian there is to us , only ONE GOD..THE FATHER ...and this is the one Jesus has come to reconcile us back to, with his blood.
ihv you dont follow instructions very good do you..

I DONT WANT TO DISCUSS THE TGRINITY... I THOUGHT I MADE THAT CLEAR..

I WANT someone to prove to me using the bible that JESUS is nothing more than michael the archangel..

THAT LL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRINITY OR HELL OR MUD OR SOUP
WILL
little lamb

Australia

#4 Jan 19, 2013
ihveit wrote:
<quoted text>
ihv you dont follow instructions very good do you..
I DONT WANT TO DISCUSS THE TGRINITY... I THOUGHT I MADE THAT CLEAR..
I WANT someone to prove to me using the bible that JESUS is nothing more than michael the archangel..
THAT LL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRINITY OR HELL OR MUD OR SOUP
WILL
Well obviously , you don't believe its the spirit that leads us into all truth..and have some warped idea that debate and argument are what are to lead a Christian

God says these ones are mentally diseased over questionings and debates over words.

and it is a sign, of not having entered into Gods rest..as lack of faith is being shown in God himself in teaching and leading us..as our Grand instructor.

The fact is we are to convince people from scripture that Jesus is the SON of GOD, and in believing we have everlasting life.

Too much time is taken up by trinity indoctrinated people to try and prove that Jesus is not the SON of GOD.

Jesus is the SON of GOD

he was the SON of God right from the beginning , when he was with God, and before God sent him to earth

he has always been explained to us in scripture as being the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of the FATHER...and scripture also explains the 'head of Christ is God' no equality claimed by Jesus either when existing in gods-form, nor after he has been glorified.

The name JESUS was only given to him when he became a flesh..but before that he had as John describes" we had a view of his glory such as belongs to an only begotten SON from a Father, and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth."

The fact that Jesus came to his " own people" show he was specially involved with the house of Israel..the fact we are told that the rock out of which they drank in the wilderness was Christ..should at least give you some clue, that this SON of GOD was involved with the ISRAEL of GOD, as God calls ISRAEL my FIRST-BORN SON.

All the other nations had 'gods' that they followed and obeyed..but only Israel is called Gods FIRST BORN SON.

And it doesn't take much to see its Michael who is the great Prince of Israel, that stands up for his people...GODS FIRST BORN.

As scripture states ,' he came to his own people, and as many as received him, he gave authority to become Gods children"

He was not helping angels at all but he came to help men, and to bring many 'sons' to glory.

You will never understand , until you go back to basics and realize and have faith, that Jesus is the only begotten son of God.

Until you fully grasp the sonship of Jesus and what that means there is no way you can advance in knowing HIM.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#5 Jan 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Well obviously , you don't believe its the spirit that leads us into all truth..and have some warped idea that debate and argument are what are to lead a Christian
God says these ones are mentally diseased over questionings and debates over words.
and it is a sign, of not having entered into Gods rest..as lack of faith is being shown in God himself in teaching and leading us..as our Grand instructor.
The fact is we are to convince people from scripture that Jesus is the SON of GOD, and in believing we have everlasting life.
Too much time is taken up by trinity indoctrinated people to try and prove that Jesus is not the SON of GOD.
Jesus is the SON of GOD
he was the SON of God right from the beginning , when he was with God, and before God sent him to earth
he has always been explained to us in scripture as being the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of the FATHER...and scripture also explains the 'head of Christ is God' no equality claimed by Jesus either when existing in gods-form, nor after he has been glorified.
The name JESUS was only given to him when he became a flesh..but before that he had as John describes" we had a view of his glory such as belongs to an only begotten SON from a Father, and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth."
The fact that Jesus came to his " own people" show he was specially involved with the house of Israel..the fact we are told that the rock out of which they drank in the wilderness was Christ..should at least give you some clue, that this SON of GOD was involved with the ISRAEL of GOD, as God calls ISRAEL my FIRST-BORN SON.
All the other nations had 'gods' that they followed and obeyed..but only Israel is called Gods FIRST BORN SON.
And it doesn't take much to see its Michael who is the great Prince of Israel, that stands up for his people...GODS FIRST BORN.
As scripture states ,' he came to his own people, and as many as received him, he gave authority to become Gods children"
He was not helping angels at all but he came to help men, and to bring many 'sons' to glory.
You will never understand , until you go back to basics and realize and have faith, that Jesus is the only begotten son of God.
Until you fully grasp the sonship of Jesus and what that means there is no way you can advance in knowing HIM.
I have a SIMPLE "yes" or "no" question for you.

Do you believe that Jesus was Michael the archangel during His prehuman existence?
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#6 Jan 19, 2013
Jehovah's Witnesses,

Do you believe that Jesus was Michael the archangel during His prehuman existence?
little lamb

Australia

#7 Jan 19, 2013
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a SIMPLE "yes" or "no" question for you.
Do you believe that Jesus was Michael the archangel during His prehuman existence?
I believe Jesus is the Son of God...and has always been the only begotten son of God, even when he was existing in gods FORM.

Jesus has the answer for you however unchained.

He said " I have many things yet to say to you, but you are unable to receive them yet..."

meaning that your questioning is so you can justify placing judgment on another Christian

But my answer that I believe Jesus is the son of God , will not satisfy you , for you are out to judge and condemn.

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#8 Jan 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Well obviously , you don't believe its the spirit that leads us into all truth..and have some warped idea that debate and argument are what are to lead a Christian
God says these ones are mentally diseased over questionings and debates over words.
and it is a sign, of not having entered into Gods rest..as lack of faith is being shown in God himself in teaching and leading us..as our Grand instructor.
The fact is we are to convince people from scripture that Jesus is the SON of GOD, and in believing we have everlasting life.
Too much time is taken up by trinity indoctrinated people to try and prove that Jesus is not the SON of GOD.
Jesus is the SON of GOD
he was the SON of God right from the beginning , when he was with God, and before God sent him to earth
he has always been explained to us in scripture as being the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of the FATHER...and scripture also explains the 'head of Christ is God' no equality claimed by Jesus either when existing in gods-form, nor after he has been glorified.
The name JESUS was only given to him when he became a flesh..but before that he had as John describes" we had a view of his glory such as belongs to an only begotten SON from a Father, and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth."
The fact that Jesus came to his " own people" show he was specially involved with the house of Israel..the fact we are told that the rock out of which they drank in the wilderness was Christ..should at least give you some clue, that this SON of GOD was involved with the ISRAEL of GOD, as God calls ISRAEL my FIRST-BORN SON.
All the other nations had 'gods' that they followed and obeyed..but only Israel is called Gods FIRST BORN SON.
And it doesn't take much to see its Michael who is the great Prince of Israel, that stands up for his people...GODS FIRST BORN.
As scripture states ,' he came to his own people, and as many as received him, he gave authority to become Gods children"
He was not helping angels at all but he came to help men, and to bring many 'sons' to glory.
You will never understand , until you go back to basics and realize and have faith, that Jesus is the only begotten son of God.
Until you fully grasp the sonship of Jesus and what that means there is no way you can advance in knowing HIM.
ihv ll please quit screwing around.. if you beleive in JESUS being mikey give me some proof you ran your mought here claiming I AM WRONG but you have offered me nothing of value to proof the SON is ONE OF THE ARCHANGELS..not one ounce of proof
wwill

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#9 Jan 19, 2013
UNchained wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses,
Do you believe that Jesus was Michael the archangel during His prehuman existence?
ihv yep they beleivve it with all their heart.. the only problem is they DONT KNOW WHY THEY DO.. they cant even give me a book of the wt to go and find out

I WOULD FIND IT HARD TO BELEIVE SOMETHING I HAVE NO PROOF OF..
will

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#10 Jan 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe Jesus is the Son of God...and has always been the only begotten son of God, even when he was existing in gods FORM.
Jesus has the answer for you however unchained.
He said " I have many things yet to say to you, but you are unable to receive them yet..."
meaning that your questioning is so you can justify placing judgment on another Christian
But my answer that I believe Jesus is the son of God , will not satisfy you , for you are out to judge and condemn.
IHV YOU ARE HERE TO DISTRACT FROM THE SUBJECT.. you have posted 3 or 4 times and you have yet to even admit you believe JESUS is some angel... WHATS YOUR BEEF? why are you trying so hard to destroy the discussion of this thread..
will
little lamb

Australia

#11 Jan 19, 2013
ihveit wrote:
<quoted text>
IHV YOU ARE HERE TO DISTRACT FROM THE SUBJECT.. you have posted 3 or 4 times and you have yet to even admit you believe JESUS is some angel... WHATS YOUR BEEF? why are you trying so hard to destroy the discussion of this thread..
will
Its interesting that you seem to think confessing that Jesus is the SON of GOD...destroys your thread..

And I suppose Jesus as SON OF GOD does.

Because unlike a true Christian you are not out to encourage FAITH in the only begotten son of God..and to encourage people to grow in the Lord..You would think you would be glad..but your not..very telling..

Isn't Jesus name wonderful..it destroys evil.
little lamb

Australia

#12 Jan 19, 2013
ihveit wrote:
<quoted text>
IHV YOU ARE HERE TO DISTRACT FROM THE SUBJECT.. you have posted 3 or 4 times and you have yet to even admit you believe JESUS is some angel...
will
i do know Gods WORD which is TRUTH..tells us in Malachi , that God will send the 'messenger..ie ANGEL " of the covenant.

Are you saying that the angel of the covenant, that was sent wasn't an angel at all, at his sending.???

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#13 Jan 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
So just the fact that the word " trinity" is not scriptural, and has caused the death and persecution of other Christians in the past, should show by its fruitage..that there is something wrong and evil in using an non scriptural word to explain spiritual things.
.
i'm dying laughing,
you wouldn't by any chance be brain dead, would you?
little lamb

Australia

#14 Jan 19, 2013
red blood relative wrote:
<quoted text>
i'm dying laughing,
you wouldn't by any chance be brain dead, would you?
What concern to you would it be if I was..you don't love your fellow man do you red..To accuse of being brain dead , proves only the fact you don't love as you should..accusation instead of information..typical red.

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#15 Jan 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Its interesting that you seem to think confessing that Jesus is the SON of GOD...destroys your thread..
And I suppose Jesus as SON OF GOD does.
Because unlike a true Christian you are not out to encourage FAITH in the only begotten son of God..and to encourage people to grow in the Lord..You would think you would be glad..but your not..very telling..
Isn't Jesus name wonderful..it destroys evil.
ihv more tripe.. i want jws to prove to me JESUS is mikey

AND ITS CLEAR YOU CANT SO YOU TRY DESPPERATELY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT

will

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#16 Jan 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
What concern to you would it be if I was..you don't love your fellow man do you red..To accuse of being brain dead , proves only the fact you don't love as you should..accusation instead of information..typical red.
IHV WHY THE HELL WONT YOU DISCUSS THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD?

'ohhh i know satan sent you here to hide the turht of the jw false teachers.. and that makes you a false teacher.. you apparently believe something you have no idea why
will

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#17 Jan 19, 2013
red blood relative wrote:
<quoted text>
i'm dying laughing,
you wouldn't by any chance be brain dead, would you?
ihv i wonder how much clorox she is sniffing.. or glue.. or the ink from wt books
will

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#18 Jan 19, 2013
since jws dont want to discuss this subject lets allow the society to defend the teaching.. first time i ran into this bull ch*t was in a study with the live forever book..

lets take a quote and go from there and i will explain..

17 “War broke out in heaven: Michael [who is the resurrected Jesus Christ] and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but it did not prevail, neither

this is in chapter 2 pp17 of this book... notice that the words "who is the resurrected Jesus Christ" is in ()s

i asked the two elders conducting the study what this meant .. and argued with them over it..

i wass told that i needed to try to stay on the chapter and this would all be discussed later in this book...

well its not a long book so the next day i read it all.. the statement was NEVER COVERED..

i asked the elders why they lied to me.. they said the subject would be discussed in due time..

i told them today was due time..

needless to say another couple of studies with that couple and by the time we got to ch 4 the study ended.. THEY SAW THE LIES CAUSE THEY WENT AND READ THE BOOK TOO..

ITS ALL ABOUT SUBLIMNAL MESSAGES SUCH AS THIS..

now lets wait and see any jw defend that one statement..
will
little lamb

Australia

#19 Jan 19, 2013
ihveit wrote:
<quoted text>
IHV WHY THE HELL WONT YOU DISCUSS THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD?
'ohhh i know satan sent you here to hide the turht of the jw false teachers.. and that makes you a false teacher.. you apparently believe something you have no idea why
will
Because we are under commandment.." not to throw pearls before swine"

Your question and thread are loaded, to remove confession from a Christian..To confess Jesus as the SON of God.

“Believe & Salvation is yours”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#20 Jan 19, 2013
You are right ihvelt....the rank and file of the publishing company don't want to discuss how they get Michael the Archangel as Jesus.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 98
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Jehovah's Witness Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
The ONLY-ONLY-ONLY True God! (John 17:3) (Aug '13) 5 min Mega Rude 1,158
JW kingdom hall flies Chilean flag 9 min UNchained 1
Is the WTBTS/JW's really neutral? 13 min UNchained 21
WBTS teaching on 1 John 5:12 ? 20 min the Mad JW 163
Has the 'Holy GHOST'... DIED? Fizzled out? 21 min the Mad JW 5
DOUGLAS CLARK Looking For ALL AVAILABLE, Single... (Jun '13) 23 min Stingo 448
Is this a forum of debate? 38 min Botox 14
Found this today about Gods name. 1 hr sean 294
Why I'm STILL one of Jehovah's Witnesses... 2 hr the Mad JW 591
YES-Jesus WAS once known as Michael 3 hr the Mad JW 158
Watchtower buys QCS Telecom 4 hr Golden Ticket 111
Why was the NWT written? (Dec '13) 10 hr Pat 791

Jehovah's Witness People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE