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#427 Dec 9, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>for someone that is suppose to be a regular KH attendee, she must sleep through the whole thing or switch, hasn't helped one bit in all the years she has been on here.
I agree, and she is still telling lies. I have never said I haven't been in a KH in 10 years. I took my mother to the Memorial 2 years before she passed away, and probably 3 years ago to a special talk they had. I never missed a Memorial for 50 years, even while I was learning the truth of their lies I still went. She has no idea when I last attended a meeting, nor does she have any idea about what goes on in my life.

She has a dirty mind also.

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#428 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>Yes i know , you cant stop your lies .
Prove I lie.

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#429 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>You the silly one , if you were to read that post you would come to realise that post was not for you , it was for the man of Myths .
What a lie.

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#430 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>No , the GB has not TOLD me " NOT TO BE HERE " as you put it ,what they do tell us is that we should not speak,associate with Apostates ,it advises us to keep away from Apostate website ,would you say this is a Apostate website ?
This is an apostate site, it is full of apostates. Go ask your Elders how he feels about you being here among DFed, DAed, and apostates and see what he tells you. You will not do that though, because you know what he will tell you.This is not an approved Jehovah's witness site, it is a forum ABOUT Jehovah's witnesses. You speak to apostates every time you can, including me. You just chose to speak to me because you love following on the skirt tails of the ring leader here who is EE. You never said you didnt believe I was never a witness until you seen her say it. Well buddy, its another lie she tells because I was one for over 40 plus years.
Snorkler wrote:
That is just what i just told you , your computer is at risk everytime you go on the internet.
who cares.
Snorkler wrote:
My Religion tells me that" Faith without works is dead" , it tells me that i should "obey those who are takeing the lead" the leader of our religion ,Jesus, told us that we would know his true followers because of the Love they have among each other , and he even prayed that we would be one just as he and his Father were one .
This is what my Religion taught me and still tells me .
Faith is what will save you, faith in Jesus Christ. Not in going door to door, not in going to the meetings or going to assemblies, but faith in JESUS CHRIST. The works come after the faith begins. The man on the cross next to Jesus had no time for works yet he was saved. The jailer with Paul and Silas was saved before his works. The works come after the faith, and the belief. Works will not save you.

We obey those God set in place to lead us, those are Ministers, Preachers, Pastors, Elders, Deacon. Where is the a Governing Body?

That love you speak of is for everyone, not just those of your own religion. It is also true love, not conditional love.

How can you say this...

"and he even prayed that we would be one just as he and his Father were one"

Are you saying that Jesus and Jehovah are one? ;)

'Be obedient to those taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.'- Hebrews 13:17.

Where is the Governing Body in there?

(John 1:12) "However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name."

Who did he give authority to? Those who receive him, those exercising faith in HIS NAME. Not just a few.

(John 3:16-18)“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. 18 He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God."

Who did he say would get everlasting life? EVERYONE exercising faith in HIM Jesus Christ. That means ALL OF US, ANYONE of any faith, or religion. Where does it says that we must be of a certain religion or organization, or even a GB?

(John 12:44) "However, Jesus cried out and said:“He that puts faith in me, puts faith not in me [only], but in him [also] that sent me."

He that puts faith in me,(Jesus Christ) put faiths in he who also sent me (Jehovah). Where does it say anything about putting faith in the GB?

We put our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, your GB teaches you lies by saying you must put faith in a religion or them.

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#431 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>lol its all there in black and white .
Then prove it here, right now to everyone.

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#432 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>I need not look for your lies , they pop up every time i speak to you ,almost every thread you speak to me you speak a lie .
Then it should be very easy for you to point out to those that are having a hard time seeing them. Why are you having such a hard time pointing them out to the others? Come on, use my last comment and point out one of my lies. And remember, differences in belief cannot be counted as a lie, as it is just that, differences in belief.

“John 4:23,24”

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#433 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>No one can deny what you have just said .
No, not even she could deny it. She is deeply involved and will gradually become completely absorbed in it.

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#434 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>You belong to Christendom ,you associate with them during the Festive season , you are just as guilty as your family,you are like that guy who belongs to a gang of criminals who made plans to rob a bank and they ask you to drive the get away car ,you are just as guilty as them .In post 354 you say these words "My Family of Christians do what they believe is Honouring Jesus on his birthday " Stop being a Coward , tell them it is not his Birthday , tell them it is a Pagan custom , warn them ,Be truthful , follow Jesus {The Truth} as an example .
You posted Luke 2:8-15 as an example of the angels celebrating Jesus birthday {In post 354} but you now must know {another fact that proves you were never a JW} that that scripture is telling us that the Angels celebrated his BIRTH ....not his BIRTHDAY .
Wake up Karen ,get out of her {Babylon the Great}
It is you who is a coward and will not ask your GB to explain why it is not your right to chose if you will celebrate or not. I have that freedom, you do not. I have told them why, they ask, and I answered, I was not afraid of what would happen or not, I told them how I believe. If they chose to shun me because of it, then that it their problem and not mine. But again, you fail to see, the church, its members, and the Pastor have nothing to do with my salvation, that is between myself and the LORD.

I feel sorry for you that you cannot see how you are being lead around by the ring in your nose by these men. You are COMMANDED to believe everything they say as if Jehovah says it to you himself. These men have made mistake after mistake, but they know you are so brainwashed to them that they have nothing to worry about. Just as those in the People Temple all died because of their loyalty to Jim Jones, I do believe that JWs would do the same thing if ask by the GB. Yes, I believe that brainwashing is that deep. You keep saying i believe to Christendom like that is a bad thing. Exactly what does that mean, it means I am a Christian who has given her life to Christ. Is that a bad thing? that is what you should do before its to late, its what the bible tells us to do. To ask the Lord to come into our lives, to forgive us for our sins, to become one of his children. Whose child are you Snorkler, one of the GB's? They will not be able to save you when Jesus returns. Being part of a certain religion or organization will not be able to save you when Jesus returns. It will be as the bible says, Believing in Jesus,, who died for your sins, who was buried for 3 days, and was resurrected will be the only way you are going to be saved.
One question I would like an answer for. Do you ever pray for me? Not one of your "friends" will answer this, hopefully you will have the courage to do so.

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#435 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>If you do not celebrate Xmas then why do you send Luke 2:8-15 {#354} as an example that Angels celebrated His Birthday ?
Who are you trying to fool ?
And another thing , i am not saying you do celebrate xmas , all i am doing is correcting your idea that Angels did celebrate his Birthday .....you know this ...everyone who reads this discussion knows this .
I never said they celebrated his birthday, I said by the scripture I quotes that they rejoiced at his birth. Please don't add to my words are try to twist them. That is wrong.

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#436 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
Karens Fat Xmas Lie <quoted text>She will deny
You have told another lie. We know that Santa is not real, but Father Christmas was real, go read the website I gave you about him. It doesn't mean he was Santa or that I believe in Christmas.

“John 4:23,24”

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#437 Dec 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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I agree, and she is still telling lies. I have never said I haven't been in a KH in 10 years. I took my mother to the Memorial 2 years before she passed away, and probably 3 years ago to a special talk they had. I never missed a Memorial for 50 years, even while I was learning the truth of their lies I still went. She has no idea when I last attended a meeting, nor does she have any idea about what goes on in my life.
She has a dirty mind also.
So sad that you tell such different stories at different times.

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#438 Dec 9, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
Then here Karen answers without giving an answer , she tries to deflect , to side track my question<quoted text>I am still waiting for her to give me an answer to my Original question regarding her lie that Father xmas does not exist.
I answered it even gave you a website to look it up, you just didnt like the answer. You do this a lot.

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#439 Dec 9, 2012
I have to leave now for Church. I will finish this tomorrow and show how Snorkler doesn't like my answers and then lies about me not answering. We all know how he does things here don't we. ;)

Remember to go to church this morning, give praise to the Lord above.

Remember Jesus loves you.

“John 4:23,24”

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#440 Dec 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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It is you who is a coward and will not ask your GB to explain why it is not your right to chose if you will celebrate or not. I have that freedom, you do not. I have told them why, they ask, and I answered, I was not afraid of what would happen or not, I told them how I believe. If they chose to shun me because of it, then that it their problem and not mine. But again, you fail to see, the church, its members, and the Pastor have nothing to do with my salvation, that is between myself and the LORD.
I feel sorry for you that you cannot see how you are being lead around by the ring in your nose by these men. You are COMMANDED to believe everything they say as if Jehovah says it to you himself. These men have made mistake after mistake, but they know you are so brainwashed to them that they have nothing to worry about. Just as those in the People Temple all died because of their loyalty to Jim Jones, I do believe that JWs would do the same thing if ask by the GB. Yes, I believe that brainwashing is that deep. You keep saying i believe to Christendom like that is a bad thing. Exactly what does that mean, it means I am a Christian who has given her life to Christ. Is that a bad thing? that is what you should do before its to late, its what the bible tells us to do. To ask the Lord to come into our lives, to forgive us for our sins, to become one of his children. Whose child are you Snorkler, one of the GB's? They will not be able to save you when Jesus returns. Being part of a certain religion or organization will not be able to save you when Jesus returns. It will be as the bible says, Believing in Jesus,, who died for your sins, who was buried for 3 days, and was resurrected will be the only way you are going to be saved.
One question I would like an answer for. Do you ever pray for me? Not one of your "friends" will answer this, hopefully you will have the courage to do so.
Just like the serpent in the Garden of Eden, Karen carries on her relentless campaign to try to get Jehovah's Witnesses to rebel and disunite and decide for themselves what is right and wrong.

Give it a rest, Karen. You are getting nowhere. If Satan the Devil is being shown to be a liar and enemy of God, why do you think you will succeed where he failed?

“GOD'S TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

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#441 Dec 9, 2012
Jesus had no respect for the Pharisees as they subverted the scriptures, made everything about "them" and saw that they issued their lists of rules and regulations instead of trying to reach the heart.

The Watchtower leaders are today's equivalent to the Pharisees, issuing *their* many rules and regulations and passing these off as "what God requires" and as "food from God".

When it comes down to being taught about the Creator and His Son...for example,the modern-day Pharisees have demanded complete obedience to whatever they print....and then issue orders of what fabrics their followers are not allowed to wear at their mandatory and ongoing indoctrination sessions, and how they must dress after the session is over for the day, and how they should not leave the arena at lunch break, etc, etc.

NONE of these orders have a thing to do with learning about the teachings of the Creator or Jesus, yet WTS followers will hurriedly accept and comply with all these Pharisaical orders because their adored governing body has announced them....and we all know what the WTS sez about disobeying the GB:

"Ignoring counsel from headquarters or from the servants in the local congregation is negligence and a sign of disrespect for theocratic authorities."
[WT 5/1/57]

God is love....and His love is in no way, shape or form, entangled or mixed in with the many new, contrived and foolish rules that these modern-day Pharisees, the WTS governing body, are continally imposing on their devoted followers. The WTS does not *allow* their followers to exercise their own consciences but must firmly comply with anything their leaders instruct them to in everything.

When referring to other faiths, we find that: "They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right." Rom 2:15
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#442 Dec 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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This is an apostate site, it is full of apostates. Go ask your Elders how he feels about you being here among DFed, DAed, and apostates and see what he tells you. You will not do that though, because you know what he will tell you.This is not an approved Jehovah's witness site, it is a forum ABOUT Jehovah's witnesses. You speak to apostates every time you can, including me. You just chose to speak to me because you love following on the skirt tails of the ring leader here who is EE. You never said you didnt believe I was never a witness until you seen her say it. Well buddy, its another lie she tells because I was one for over 40 plus years.
<quoted text>
who cares.
<quoted text>
Faith is what will save you, faith in Jesus Christ. Not in going door to door, not in going to the meetings or going to assemblies, but faith in JESUS CHRIST. The works come after the faith begins. The man on the cross next to Jesus had no time for works yet he was saved. The jailer with Paul and Silas was saved before his works. The works come after the faith, and the belief. Works will not save you.
We obey those God set in place to lead us, those are Ministers, Preachers, Pastors, Elders, Deacon. Where is the a Governing Body?
That love you speak of is for everyone, not just those of your own religion. It is also true love, not conditional love.
How can you say this...
"and he even prayed that we would be one just as he and his Father were one"
Are you saying that Jesus and Jehovah are one? ;)
'Be obedient to those taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.'- Hebrews 13:17.
Where is the Governing Body in there?
(John 1:12) "However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name."
Who did he give authority to? Those who receive him, those exercising faith in HIS NAME. Not just a few.
(John 3:16-18)“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. 18 He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God."
Who did he say would get everlasting life? EVERYONE exercising faith in HIM Jesus Christ. That means ALL OF US, ANYONE of any faith, or religion. Where does it says that we must be of a certain religion or organization, or even a GB?
(John 12:44) "However, Jesus cried out and said:“He that puts faith in me, puts faith not in me [only], but in him [also] that sent me."
He that puts faith in me,(Jesus Christ) put faiths in he who also sent me (Jehovah). Where does it say anything about putting faith in the GB?
We put our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, your GB teaches you lies by saying you must put faith in a religion or them.
Oh really .....just a few days ago you said you did not go to Apostate sites ....so you lied again .....
Snorkler

Sudan

#443 Dec 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove I lie.
No need for me to do this , you yourself keep proving it for all to see .
Snorkler

Sudan

#444 Dec 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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This is an apostate site, it is full of apostates. Go ask your Elders how he feels about you being here among DFed, DAed, and apostates and see what he tells you. You will not do that though, because you know what he will tell you.This is not an approved Jehovah's witness site, it is a forum ABOUT Jehovah's witnesses. You speak to apostates every time you can, including me. You just chose to speak to me because you love following on the skirt tails of the ring leader here who is EE. You never said you didnt believe I was never a witness until you seen her say it. Well buddy, its another lie she tells because I was one for over 40 plus years.
<quoted text>
who cares.
<quoted text>
Faith is what will save you, faith in Jesus Christ. Not in going door to door, not in going to the meetings or going to assemblies, but faith in JESUS CHRIST. The works come after the faith begins. The man on the cross next to Jesus had no time for works yet he was saved. The jailer with Paul and Silas was saved before his works. The works come after the faith, and the belief. Works will not save you.
We obey those God set in place to lead us, those are Ministers, Preachers, Pastors, Elders, Deacon. Where is the a Governing Body?
That love you speak of is for everyone, not just those of your own religion. It is also true love, not conditional love.
How can you say this...
"and he even prayed that we would be one just as he and his Father were one"
Are you saying that Jesus and Jehovah are one? ;)
'Be obedient to those taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.'- Hebrews 13:17.
Where is the Governing Body in there?
(John 1:12) "However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name."
Who did he give authority to? Those who receive him, those exercising faith in HIS NAME. Not just a few.
(John 3:16-18)“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. 18 He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God."
Who did he say would get everlasting life? EVERYONE exercising faith in HIM Jesus Christ. That means ALL OF US, ANYONE of any faith, or religion. Where does it says that we must be of a certain religion or organization, or even a GB?
(John 12:44) "However, Jesus cried out and said:“He that puts faith in me, puts faith not in me [only], but in him [also] that sent me."
He that puts faith in me,(Jesus Christ) put faiths in he who also sent me (Jehovah). Where does it say anything about putting faith in the GB?
We put our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, your GB teaches you lies by saying you must put faith in a religion or them.
No this is not an Apostate site liar .

You ask who cares ?,,,,just the other day you said you cared about going to websites now you ask who cares ?

You keep telling us you were a JW but you have no clue what we believe ,you a Liar .

Like i said ...according to scripture "Faith without works is dead" you just too stubborn and stiff necked to admit it .

If you put your faith in Jesus you would obey him.

Another lie .

Now how about you show us where the GB has ever said we are to put "Faith in them " ?
Snorkler

Sudan

#445 Dec 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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Then prove it here, right now to everyone.
I ahve done it ,and i keep doing it ,look at the post above this one , here i am pointing out another one of your lies ...you are telling so many of them on this thread i cant even keep up with your lies .
Snorkler

Sudan

#446 Dec 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
<quoted text>
Then it should be very easy for you to point out to those that are having a hard time seeing them. Why are you having such a hard time pointing them out to the others? Come on, use my last comment and point out one of my lies. And remember, differences in belief cannot be counted as a lie, as it is just that, differences in belief.
I just did .

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