Cuban Schools Slap Down Jehovah's Witnesses

There are 20 comments on the Mar 27, 2013, Institute for War and Peace Reporting story titled Cuban Schools Slap Down Jehovah's Witnesses. In it, Institute for War and Peace Reporting reports that:

A member of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Cuba filed a complaint with the state prosecutor last month alleging discrimination against her three school-age daughters.

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Bill in NC

Summerfield, NC

#99 Apr 6, 2013
hMMMMM wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses are the same.
All children must answer the same way, and think the same way, all are forced to say they believe everything the WBTS spews, otherwise they are to be shunned by their parents and emotionally abused by the parents not loving them any more.
Until JW's take over a government and start imposing their religion on others(like the Moslems did in Iran and Afganistan) it's bogus to compare their internal discipline to the Cuban government. I'm not making any excuses for their system of shunning people but it's still a volunatary religious group.
hMMMMM wrote:
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Hard to argue with school uniforms, there are not too many negatives, and evens out the playing field in one materialistic aspect.
They say it is important to even have different clothes to work out in, to bring seriousness to your workout.
School takes on more significance when a respectful uniform must me worn.
It's easy to argue with school uniforms. The main negative is that it denies personal freedom. Reasonable dress codes are one thing
but school uniforms are usually the result of control freaks having their way. As for "evening out the playing field" I don't believe one person's freedom should be trumped by another's egalitarian agenda. But this is digressing.

As I've repeatedly pointed out Cuban school uniforms are problematic because they're political. But you're totally oblivious to this. Do you mind me asking if you're someone who admires the Cuban government and believes that it doesn't violate human rights? Or do you just dislike Jehovah's Witnesses so much it doesn't matter to you if they experience injustices that would be an outrage if inflicted on another group of people.
hMMMMMM wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses have no respect for anyone who believes or thinks different than what the WBTS commands.
Hasn't that been the case with religions all through history? Ever heard of September 11th, Northern Ireland, the Crusades? Need I go on and on? I won't deny that JW's may be more sectarian than others but the claims of one religion usually tend to exclude the claims of another.

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#100 Apr 6, 2013
Bill in NC wrote:
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Why is it absurd? I never said schools uniforms perse are communist indoctrination or any other political indoctrination. I said that Cuban school uniforms are political because they emphasize conformity with the schools' political agenda. They are the same uniforms as the Cuban Young Pioneers, the communist youth league. You've heard of the Hitler Youth in 1930s Germany? This is the "Castro Youth."
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. Kind of like ROTC??? OR Boy Scouts of America???
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#101 Apr 7, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
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. Kind of like ROTC??? OR Boy Scouts of America???
Which children of Jehovah's Witnesses are forbidden from joining.
The WBTS has a long history of using children as scapegoats to get their cult in the press, nothing else.
They have no morals or "faith" it is all about getting new members and their cash and assets, nothing else

“LORD OF DARKNESS”

Since: Mar 13

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#102 Apr 7, 2013
Gitano wrote:
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Miami is incredibly politically corrupt beca communist.
Arallu awaits thee!
dee lightful

Easley, SC

#103 Apr 7, 2013
Bill in NC wrote:
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American charter and public schools are not as rigidly ideological as Cuban schools. The stated aim of the Cuban education is to learn Marxism-Leninism, particularly the Castroist brand. Private or homeschooling is unknown in Cuba because neither is allowed.
Personally, I don't like school uniforms. But Cuban school uniforms are particularly problematic because they're also intended to emphasize the socialist political uniformity of the Cuban system. The school uniform is also the same as the Young Pioneer uniform, which is the Cuban communist youth league. You'd have to be naive to not acknowledge the political aspect of Cuban school uniforms which is part of the school's socialist ideology. Even the Cuban government admitts this.
Your analogy to Catholic schools in the USA is bogus. American Catholic schools are private institutions. The US government doesn't force nonCatholics to attend for purposes of making them into Catholics.
The cuban woman seems to be only concerned about the uniform and not what is being taught to her children.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#104 Apr 7, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> The cuban woman seems to be only concerned about the uniform and not what is being taught to her children.
Right.

I have some good friends whose wife taught elementary school in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

They immigrated to the U.S. when their two children were 6 and 8 years old.

The wife had some Vietnamese school books mailed here so they could keep up with their native language.

They showed me two or three of their language textbooks from Vietnam.

The theme was the same in all of them...

Vietnamese soldiers searching for American soldiers who had escaped from a Hanoi prison.

My friend's wife had a brother who was a major in the South Vietnamese Army and had spent 5 years in prison in Hanoi.

He died 3 years after he was released in 1976 due to injuries he received while in the custody of the NVA.

She was upset that the Vietnamese textbooks all had a propaganda slant to them.

The Cuban woman probably has no idea what her children are being taught in school because she spends all of her time hawking books and attending sales meetings for the Watchtower Society.
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#105 Apr 7, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> The cuban woman seems to be only concerned about the uniform and not what is being taught to her children.
Typical Jehovah's Witness parent, programmed to make their child a scapegoat for any reason possible.
Jehovah's Witnesses have no moral fiber, character or beliefs, just whatever will get them noticed.
The Jehovah'sWitnesses have a long and proven history of using children for this, never men.
Bill in NC

Summerfield, NC

#106 Apr 7, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
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. Kind of like ROTC??? OR Boy Scouts of America???
To a degree I'd compare ROTC and Scouting to Young Pioneers. All have an emphasis on national loyalty and militarism. And they have uniforms. The big difference is that ROTC and Boy Scouts are volunatary. Another difference is that American ROTC and Scouting at least emphasize American values of democracy and freedom. The Cuban Young Pioneers, which modeled on the Soviet Young pioneers, emphasizes loyalty to the dictator of the one-party state.
Bill in NC

Summerfield, NC

#107 Apr 7, 2013
hMMMMMM wrote:
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The WBTS has a long history of using children as scapegoats to get their cult in the press, nothing else.
Would you say the same about other religions or individuals that don't conform? What if we were talking about Moslem girls being able to wear head scarves? Which has been a controversy in France. Or Jewish kids wearing yamulkes?(sp?) Or a Seventh Day Adventist who wants Saturday off? Or an African-American kid who doesn't want to do his English assignment because the teacher told him to read Huckleberry Finn?
Bill in NC

Summerfield, NC

#108 Apr 7, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> The cuban woman seems to be only concerned about the uniform and not what is being taught to her children.
That is not true. While this discussion has been sidetracked over school uniforms her children have refused to attend political education classes. Go read the original article.

But so what if it's about school uniforms? There are still questions of political and religious freedom related to how people dress. Sometimes clothing is very important to a religion, such as yamulkes or Islamic head scarves. Ever heard of the Amish?
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#109 Apr 7, 2013
"The state education system is heavily politicised, and the current school regulations require all pupils to be “willing to defend the socialist homeland”. That is something Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot do, as they are conscientious objectors."

Why doesn't she just remove them from school?

No doubt, school counselors sincerely believe that it is in your best interests to pursue higher education and to plan for a secular career. Yet, their confidence lies in a social and financial system that has no lasting future.

If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years....

They don't need an education.

dee lightful

Easley, SC

#110 Apr 7, 2013
Bill in NC wrote:
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That is not true. While this discussion has been sidetracked over school uniforms her children have refused to attend political education classes. Go read the original article.
But so what if it's about school uniforms? There are still questions of political and religious freedom related to how people dress. Sometimes clothing is very important to a religion, such as yamulkes or Islamic head scarves. Ever heard of the Amish?
Caring about the outer dress shows how superficial that religion to be.
Do you really think a head scarf or a yamulke or a coat and tie makes someone closer to God than someone without? you put your faith in material things that show instead of having God in you heart?
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#111 Apr 7, 2013
Bill in NC wrote:
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Would you say the same about other religions or individuals that don't conform?
I am saying this about the Jehovah's Witnesses, because they routinely ONLY use children as scapegoats, while condoning and letting adults never be the targets.
JW children can't celebrate Christmas and sit outside the classroom during any and all holiday parties, while their parents greedily take every Christmas bonus and vacation.
Jehovah's Witness children are forced NOT to salute the class in front of all of their classmates every day.
Their parents sneak off to the restroom if the National Anthem is played or like the Williams Sisters stand and play for their flag.

Get it???
The Jehovah's Witnesses have no actual beliefs or morals, EXCEPT to bring media and public attention to themselves in an effort to recruit new members and their cash.
Best way to do this is to use innocent children!
Hypocrites, who use children to further their agenda, is unique to cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses!!
The Westboro cult does the same thing
Bill in NC

Summerfield, NC

#112 Apr 7, 2013
UNchained wrote:
"The state education system is heavily politicised, and the current school regulations require all pupils to be “willing to defend the socialist homeland”. That is something Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot do, as they are conscientious objectors."
Why doesn't she just remove them from school?
Not an option in Cuba. Private and homeschooling are forbiddened.
Bill in NC

Summerfield, NC

#113 Apr 7, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Caring about the outer dress shows how superficial that religion to be.
Do you really think a head scarf or a yamulke or a coat and tie makes someone closer to God than someone without? you put your faith in material things that show instead of having God in you heart?
Even if that's true it doesn't mean people shouldn't have the freedom to practice that religion. Religious freedom isn't exclusively for those religions you deem to be nonsuperficial. Personally, I don't believe head scarves, hats and neckties make you closer to God. But that doesn't mean people who believe otherwise aren't entitled to the same freedom as you or me. The issue isn't whether any of these religions is true. The issue is religious freedom.
Bill in NC

Summerfield, NC

#114 Apr 7, 2013
hMMMMM wrote:
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I am saying this about the Jehovah's Witnesses
You didn't answer my question so I'll ask again:

Would you say the same about other religions or individuals that don't conform? What if we were talking about Moslem girls being able to wear head scarves? Which has been a controversy in France. Or Jewish kids wearing yamulkes?(sp?) Or a Seventh Day Adventist who wants Saturday off? Or an African-American kid who doesn't want to do his English assignment because the teacher told him to read Huckleberry Finn?

You also didn't answer my question about Cuba? Are you someone who thinks Cuba isn't a dictatorship with an abysmal human rights record?
Don from Canada

Sparta, NJ

#115 Apr 7, 2013
No constructive engagement is tolerated by the dictatorship.
Don from Canada

Sparta, NJ

#116 Apr 7, 2013
Only their puppets and marionettes thrive in the dictatorship.
dee lightful

Easley, SC

#117 Apr 7, 2013
Bill in NC wrote:
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Even if that's true it doesn't mean people shouldn't have the freedom to practice that religion. Religious freedom isn't exclusively for those religions you deem to be nonsuperficial. Personally, I don't believe head scarves, hats and neckties make you closer to God. But that doesn't mean people who believe otherwise aren't entitled to the same freedom as you or me. The issue isn't whether any of these religions is true. The issue is religious freedom.
Religious freedom is for religions not for cults who preach hate for all others.
Don from Canada

Sparta, NJ

#118 Apr 7, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Religious freedom is for religions not for cults who preach hate for all others.
Exactly, as in Islam.

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