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The resurrection of the dead is spiritual and it has already taken place. Jesus disciples knew the time was already at hand for the resurrection in their day. They wrote about their expectations of it with the Revelation of Jesus Christ in 70 AD.
Jesus plainly stated that the great tribulation upon the Jews signified the time of Jerusalem's destruction with it's temple and also his return in judgment beginning with the House of God.
Mal. 4:
5“Look, I am sending you the prophet Elijah [John the baptist] before the great and dreadful day of the LORD arrives.
6 His preaching will turn the hearts of fathers to their children, and the hearts of children to their fathers. Otherwise I will come and strike the land with a curse.”
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God sent Jesus' cousin John ahead of him to prepare the people for the coming of long-foretold of Christ. John began the work of preaching and baptizing the people with water in symbol of their repentance for their sin. He warned them that Jesus was coming behind him and that Jesus would baptize them in holy spirit.
The prophet Daniel also foretold that the resurrection was also due to occur at that time.
Dan. 12:
1 “At that time Michael, the archangel who stands guard over your nation, will arise.
Then there will be a time of anguish [great tribulation] greater than any since nations first came into existence. But at that time every one of your people [Jews] whose name is written in the book will be rescued.
2 Many of those whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace.
3 Those who are wise will shine as bright as the sky, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever.
4 But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase.”
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That Time of the End were the days of Jesus preaching with his apostles. THEY were the ones upon which the prophecy of Joel was fulfilled. THEY were the ones upon whom God poured out His spirit in the last days for them to prophecy and see visions and perform miracles.
Acts 2:
16 No, what you see was predicted long ago by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘In the last days,’ God says,
‘I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your young men will see visions,
and your old men will dream dreams.
18 In those days I will pour out my Spirit
even on my servants—men and women alike—
and they will prophesy.
19 And I will cause wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below—
blood and fire and clouds of smoke.
20 The sun will become dark,
and the moon will turn blood red
before that great and glorious day of the LORD arrives.
21 But everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
will be saved.’
Heb. 1:
1 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.
2 And now in THESE FINAL DAYS, he has spoken to us through his Son.
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1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in THESE LAST DAYS he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
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The Final Days or the Last Days were already upon the Christians in the first century. Those days ended with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD!
Do you believe that Adam and Eve died spiritually and physically?

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The earth was made for a purpose. It was made so earthling man could enjoy life, and that purpose was damaged by Satan and Adam and Eve. Mankind will remain. But bad people will not remain. Psalm 37 says that. Revelation also says that The earth will become a beautiful place to live in, just as God intended from the beginning.
Revelation 21 says "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying,“Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
He who was seated on the throne said,“I am making everything new!” Then he said,“Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
So I know from putting the scriptures together that there is a beautiful new earth coming. Mankind will never be destroyed, just as Noah and his family survived the flood, so will some among mankind also be preserved alive through the foretold fire of destruction, laying bare the elements. No, God's purpose will be fulfilled, just as He made Adam and Eve, He will have a beautiful new earth for its residents.
You are correct in your expectations of all these things because they are a promise from God.

However, it's your perception of these things that needs to be more accurate. You have unfortunately limited the fulfilment of these things to the physical world. But God hasn't.

Also contained in the very same words that you are reading in the Bible is the knowledge that the new heavens and earth are New Jerusalem. Old Jerusalem has passed away.

This New Jerusalem is the city of God that Abraham and Sarah were looking to. A city not made with human hands. This city is in heaven. It has real foundations because it's Builder and Maker is God. It will last forever unlike those cities of men which deteriorate with time.

In time you will understand what I'm saying as you continue to read and study the Bible. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses there are certain passages in the Bible that they would rather not be in there because they bring up more questions than answers. But they must be addressed if we are completely understand the bible and our future.

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So you are saying that the resurrections of Lazarus, the widow's son, the daughter of the synagogue officer, and more were not physical resurrections?
They were physical resurrections. It was necessary for those resurrections to be physical in order for them to believe. Some didn't even believe even when they saw a physical resurrection. How in the world would they believe a spirit resurrection?

These resurrections were only necessary to demonstrate God's power over death. If Jesus could raise up the dead physically he could also raise them up in spirit bodies like the angels.

He has the power over death and hades.

You are certainly not alone. There were many questions about the resurrection in the minds of many in those days. It is recorded in the scriptures what their concerns were. Some were asking how the dead would come back and what sort of bodies will they have?

The Apostle Paul did a fine job in answering their questions concerning the dead and how they are to be raised up. But the question is, would the people believe it?

Paul explains very clearly that the dead are raised up at spirit sons of God. Jesus said that the dead are raised up to be like the angels and that they would not marry and neither could they die ever again because they are sons of God by virtue of being children of the Resurrection. But just like you, there were still many skeptics.

They wanted and demanded physical resurrections. But that was not according to the will of God.

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Do you believe that Adam and Eve died spiritually and physically?
Adam and Eve both died a physical death.

But even before that, they died spiritually the moment they sinned against God. That was a promise from God.

Adam lived an extraordinarily long physical life. He lived almost 1,000 years. Could he have lived a longer physical life had he not sinned? I don't know. But one thing I do know, he would not have lived forever on earth (or in heaven) unless he was given access to the Tree of Life.

Perfect or not, there is no way Adam could live forever without partaking of that Tree of Life. He could not get to it without God's permission. Today, we who believe in Christ the Son of the living God do you have God's permission to go to the Trees of Life in heavenly paradise.

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So you believe that literally every sea captain, and all who travel(ed) by ship, literally saw the smoke rising from Jerusalem's burning?
Remember who the Author of this prophecy is? God does not lie. I have no doubt that EVERY ship captain that came in the vicinity of Jerusalem could see the thick smoke rising from her being burned with fire. The Romans literally torched that great city.

This was God's judgment upon this harlot who was drunk with the blood of the prophets, apostles and Jesus Christ. No other city in mankind's history can lay claim to that notorious record. Only Jerusalem aka Babylon the great has that title.

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HEADLINE: MAY 14, 1948
THE NATION OF ISRAEL REBORN!
QUESTION ASKED: Who can gather what Almighty God has scattered?
Israel today has no Biblical or prophetic significance.

It's capital city does not even have a temple for God whose spirit would be manifested there in ancient times. All of that was brought to an end nearly 2,000 years ago.

The only significance that city has is what men themselves attach to it.

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CIA Free wrote:
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You are correct in your expectations of all these things because they are a promise from God.
However, it's your perception of these things that needs to be more accurate. You have unfortunately limited the fulfilment of these things to the physical world. But God hasn't.
I have not said anything like that as far as limiting these things to the physical world. You are making presumptions. But I do believe physical changes from God will happen. and why shouldn't I? Jesus raised Lazarus physically. He raised others physically. That a spiritual transformation may have occurred when they died a second time after the Christ gave up his life and was transformed, I have no doubt.
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Also contained in the very same words that you are reading in the Bible is the knowledge that the new heavens and earth are New Jerusalem. Old Jerusalem has passed away.
This New Jerusalem is the city of God that Abraham and Sarah were looking to. A city not made with human hands. This city is in heaven. It has real foundations because it's Builder and Maker is God. It will last forever unlike those cities of men which deteriorate with time.
"Old Jerusalem" did not deteriorate because of time only. If the Jews had been faithful, God would have not allowed what you call "Old Jerusalem" to be destroyed and deteriorate. But you are correct, the giving of sacrifices at the temple was an earthly representation of heavenly things. People die. Good people die, and bad people die. Even those good kings and people that wanted to keep the Temple in order died. Jesus came to sacrifice his life. There are to come new heavens and a new earth.
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In time you will understand what I'm saying as you continue to read and study the Bible. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses there are certain passages in the Bible that they would rather not be in there because they bring up more questions than answers. But they must be addressed if we are completely understand the bible and our future.
No one can completely understand the Bible now. People may try, pray, and do research, but some things are still up for question. Jesus, although being one with the Father, explained what he did about the Father and himself to the disciples, but even they did not understand completely. This is not to say that the earth will never be a peaceful place filled with righteous inhabitants. Just as Satan deceived Eve by telling her that she would be like God, knowing good and evil. She wanted to be like God, have the knowledge He had and was entitled to. All honor and respect AND worship goes to Jehovah God, who is the absolute sovereign ruler of the universe. He sets the standards. That means to me that I am not equal to God, I will never know God completely because HE has the power, the right to rule, and HE is the creator. That is why the scriptures say that Jesus did not consider to make himself equal to God as Satan did. As you say, in time more things will become clearer, such as when Moses is raised and he can tell those who are alive what happened in greater detail, how God spoke to him, and things like these. In conclusion, I have not found in any other 'place,' call it religion, or people, anything better than what I am learning about God except from Jehovah's Witnesses. I expect my knowledge to increase as I grow spiritually and in faith.

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miseracord wrote:
No one can completely understand the Bible now. People may try, pray, and do research, but some things are still up for question. Jesus, although being one with the Father, explained what he did about the Father and himself to the disciples, but even they did not understand completely.

That means to me that I am not equal to God, I will never know God completely because HE has the power, the right to rule, and HE is the creator. That is why the scriptures say that Jesus did not consider to make himself equal to God as Satan did.
I have to agree with what you have said here.

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Lannymac,
There were quite a few waiting to see Christ's "return" in the year 2000 or so in Jerusalem. Presumably they were not Jews, because most Jews deny Jesus Christ as messiah, god, and trinity. But God showed them he was not coming back that way. The modern-day nation was founded because of the prejudice and murderous rampage of anti-Semites, stoked by the fires of many prime movers of traditional "christianity."
David Ben-Gurion, one of the founders of the modern-day state of Israel, was an atheist, as were others who founded the modern-day nation, and today.

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CIA Free wrote:
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Adam and Eve both died a physical death.
But even before that, they died spiritually the moment they sinned against God. That was a promise from God.
Yes, that is true. Yet He was kind to them by providing garments to cover them up among other kindnesses he showed them (as well as punishment), as Jesus said -- God blesses the righteous and the unrighteous. Therefore, I know that no one is tormented in anguish in some literal lake of fire while they are alive.:-) They are dead -- feel nothing -- do not know they are dead. Forever. To further that thought, they feel nothing. Their works die with them and they can do nothing further to harm anyone.
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Adam lived an extraordinarily long physical life. He lived almost 1,000 years. Could he have lived a longer physical life had he not sinned? I don't know.
You don't know?
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But one thing I do know, he would not have lived forever on earth (or in heaven) unless he was given access to the Tree of Life.
Perfect or not, there is no way Adam could live forever without partaking of that Tree of Life. He could not get to it without God's permission. Today, we who believe in Christ the Son of the living God do you have God's permission to go to the Trees of Life in heavenly paradise.
(Not only did he not have God's permission to eat thereof, but God made sure Adam would not get to that Tree of Life, by ousting him from that Garden, placing cherumbim there to make sure Adam did not get into it. Genesis 3:23,24 shows that Jehovah drove them out of the Garden and placed cherubim there to guard the entrance.] I am not saying you are wrong there. But the earth was created for men. And as I look at the earth, and I think about God, I see many beautiful things here. And I can see in my mind the beauty that can be. and the investigation that can take place to further make this earth into a garden of pleasure, including all sorts of things! Gardens, animals, music, art, and more! Things we cannot enjoy to the full now, or even slightly to the full.:) No more starvation of peoples, no more subjugating populations to the foibles and greed of wicked, selfish humans. What He has in store beyond that, He will tell us. But as for now, I am content to know there will be and are, new heavens and a new earth in store for those who truly love God as He is, not as some imagine Him to be by the contrivance of men. New scrolls will be opened.(Revelation)

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Remember who the Author of this prophecy is? God does not lie. I have no doubt that EVERY ship captain that came in the vicinity of Jerusalem could see the thick smoke rising from her being burned with fire. The Romans literally torched that great city.
This was God's judgment upon this harlot who was drunk with the blood of the prophets, apostles and Jesus Christ. No other city in mankind's history can lay claim to that notorious record. Only Jerusalem aka Babylon the great has that title.
The notorious record as far as God's namesake people were concerned, which is why god himself instituted true worship through Jesus Christ AND his followers (teach them to observe everything I have commanded you). But Jesus himself attended the Temple. He knew it would be destroyed because of the record of blasphemy of its teachers against Jehovah. He didn't stay away from the temple because he thought it was detestable to God. Rather he attended the temple and taught in the synagogue with love and eagerness to follow God's commands. He did not avoid it unless his life was at stake. He said, in fact, he would have saved Jerusalem if the Jews wanted it. There are multiple interpretations of many prophecies. The literal temple on earth was built by human hands, but approved of by God. For a reason. There are prophecies that have a larger scope while still focusing on a smaller group of people. And the earth's curvature sets sight from ships as limited.

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You didn't answer the question.
Who can gather what Almighty God has scattered?
Can you?
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, TILL ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
I take it, you've got inside information that Christ shouldn't hold His breath, because it ain't happening, right?
Who's your source?
Who is this clown that presumes to know more than Christ?
To answer your first question which I neglected, Jesus can gather what God has scattered.

In fact, that is one of the things that Jesus was sent to earth to do.

Matt. 10:
5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions:“Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, preach this message:‘The kingdom of heaven is near.’

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This has already been answered.
You are a liar Aneirin!!!Here is the "answer"" you never gave!

Aneirin wrote....
Absolutely astonishing.
You wrote this in reply to the post that actually gives you the answer.
What is wrong with you people?
And you need to quote the Watchtower rather than give such an INACCURATE statement of what they said.

Now here is the question again Aneirin...

The Watchtower explains the insertion of the word "a" before
"God" in John 1:1 is because when there is no definite article "the" in the Greek text, the article "a" should be inserted.
If that is so,how do they explain the beginning of this same verse? Since the word "the" doesn't appear before the word "beginning" in the original Greek text, why does the New World Translation
insert the word "the" instead of the word "a"?
What about verse 6?
Since the word "the" does not appear before "God" in the Greek version, shouldn't the New World Translation insert the word "a"
according to their grammatic rules? The verse then should read: "There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of a God: his name was John."
nwt..There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of God: his name was John.
What HAPPENED TO THE "A" RULING HERE Aneirin?

If what you claim that it has been already answered is true then show me the post number that explains why A is not inserted before God in John 1 v 6.?

Come on "ASTONISHING ANEIRIN" show me!
Are you reluctant to do so because you don't want to see me humiliated?
Do not feel guilty in the slightest Aneirin! I'm asking you too?



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miseracord wrote:
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I have not said anything like that as far as limiting these things to the physical world. You are making presumptions. But I do believe physical changes from God will happen. and why shouldn't I? Jesus raised Lazarus physically. He raised others physically. That a spiritual transformation may have occurred when they died a second time after the Christ gave up his life and was transformed, I have no doubt.
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"Old Jerusalem" did not deteriorate because of time only. If the Jews had been faithful, God would have not allowed what you call "Old Jerusalem" to be destroyed and deteriorate. But you are correct, the giving of sacrifices at the temple was an earthly representation of heavenly things. People die. Good people die, and bad people die. Even those good kings and people that wanted to keep the Temple in order died. Jesus came to sacrifice his life. There are to come new heavens and a new earth.
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No one can completely understand the Bible now. People may try, pray, and do research, but some things are still up for question. Jesus, although being one with the Father, explained what he did about the Father and himself to the disciples, but even they did not understand completely. This is not to say that the earth will never be a peaceful place filled with righteous inhabitants. Just as Satan deceived Eve by telling her that she would be like God, knowing good and evil. She wanted to be like God, have the knowledge He had and was entitled to. All honor and respect AND worship goes to Jehovah God, who is the absolute sovereign ruler of the universe. He sets the standards. That means to me that I am not equal to God, I will never know God completely because HE has the power, the right to rule, and HE is the creator. That is why the scriptures say that Jesus did not consider to make himself equal to God as Satan did. As you say, in time more things will become clearer, such as when Moses is raised and he can tell those who are alive what happened in greater detail, how God spoke to him, and things like these. In conclusion, I have not found in any other 'place,' call it religion, or people, anything better than what I am learning about God except from Jehovah's Witnesses. I expect my knowledge to increase as I grow spiritually and in faith.
Very well then. You have spoken well. Have a good year.

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Yeah right, scripture where Christ has no plans to gather YOU!
Eze 20:41 As a sweet savor will I accept you, when I bring you out from the peoples, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you in the sight of the nations.
42 And ye shall know that I am Jehovah, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country which I sware to give unto your fathers.
Isa 43:5 Fear not; for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back; bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the end of the earth;
GOD IS NOT A LIAR!
HIS PROPHESY IS BEING FULFILLED BEFORE OUR VERY EYES!
ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD CAN GATHER WHAT ALMIGHTY GOD HAS SCATTERED!
THE GATHERING BEGAN MAY 14, 1948!
WATCH HIM BRING HIS WORDS TO COMPLETE FULFILLMENT!
how do you get may 14 1948?

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Yes, that is true. Yet He was kind to them by providing garments to cover them up among other kindnesses he showed them (as well as punishment), as Jesus said -- God blesses the righteous and the unrighteous. Therefore, I know that no one is tormented in anguish in some literal lake of fire while they are alive.:-) They are dead -- feel nothing -- do not know they are dead. Forever. To further that thought, they feel nothing. Their works die with them and they can do nothing further to harm anyone.
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You don't know?
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(Not only did he not have God's permission to eat thereof, but God made sure Adam would not get to that Tree of Life, by ousting him from that Garden, placing cherumbim there to make sure Adam did not get into it. Genesis 3:23,24 shows that Jehovah drove them out of the Garden and placed cherubim there to guard the entrance.] I am not saying you are wrong there. But the earth was created for men. And as I look at the earth, and I think about God, I see many beautiful things here. And I can see in my mind the beauty that can be. and the investigation that can take place to further make this earth into a garden of pleasure, including all sorts of things! Gardens, animals, music, art, and more! Things we cannot enjoy to the full now, or even slightly to the full.:) No more starvation of peoples, no more subjugating populations to the foibles and greed of wicked, selfish humans. What He has in store beyond that, He will tell us. But as for now, I am content to know there will be and are, new heavens and a new earth in store for those who truly love God as He is, not as some imagine Him to be by the contrivance of men. New scrolls will be opened.(Revelation)
I completely understand your appreciative attachment to the earth and all creation surrounding it. And as you correctly stated the earth was made for the sons of men; for human beings.

However, Jesus makes it clear that men will not always remain in human form. They die in the flesh but are raised up as spirit sons of God.

That's the part that keeps hanging you up. It will continue to be a hindrance to you until you finally let Jesus' words be found true and the words of men at the Watchtower be found a lie.

We all shall become like the angels at death. That's the glorious secret contained in the Bible.

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<quoted text>The notorious record as far as God's namesake people were concerned, which is why god himself instituted true worship through Jesus Christ AND his followers (teach them to observe everything I have commanded you). But Jesus himself attended the Temple. He knew it would be destroyed because of the record of blasphemy of its teachers against Jehovah. He didn't stay away from the temple because he thought it was detestable to God. Rather he attended the temple and taught in the synagogue with love and eagerness to follow God's commands. He did not avoid it unless his life was at stake. He said, in fact, he would have saved Jerusalem if the Jews wanted it. There are multiple interpretations of many prophecies. The literal temple on earth was built by human hands, but approved of by God. For a reason. There are prophecies that have a larger scope while still focusing on a smaller group of people. And the earth's curvature sets sight from ships as limited.
I'm sorry. I got lost in your translation.

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Lannymac wrote:
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Yeah right, scripture where Christ has no plans to gather YOU!
Eze 20:41 As a sweet savor will I accept you, when I bring you out from the peoples, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you in the sight of the nations.
42 And ye shall know that I am Jehovah, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country which I sware to give unto your fathers.
Isa 43:5 Fear not; for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back; bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the end of the earth;
GOD IS NOT A LIAR!
HIS PROPHESY IS BEING FULFILLED BEFORE OUR VERY EYES!
ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD CAN GATHER WHAT ALMIGHTY GOD HAS SCATTERED!
THE GATHERING BEGAN MAY 14, 1948!
WATCH HIM BRING HIS WORDS TO COMPLETE FULFILLMENT!
You are guilty of the same defect that the Jews of Jesus' day had. Although you have sight, you are truly blind. You only believe that which you can see with the eyes Adam gave you. You cannot yet see with the eyes that come from God.

If you had the eyes of God, you would see that he used Jesus Christ to begin getting his people the lost sheep of Israel in the first century. After that he begins getting people from the nations. It's all written in the book of Acts of the Apostles. Try reading it sometime. I mean really read it.

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Lannymac wrote:
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Your preterist view is too foolish and God-dishonoring to even address.
Be advised, the fate of those who curse Israel has been established and clearly documented in the scriptures.
Bible illiteracy is not an exemption.
The "Jews" in Israel cannot even prove that they are hereditary Jews. All the documents that would prove a biological connection where either destroyed by the Romans are simply lost over the last 2,000 years. Good luck.

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Jan 1, 2013
 
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Very well then. You have spoken well. Have a good year.
You too speak well, although I do not embrace your position, I naturally will hope the best for you.

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