The Great Day of Jehovah is Near

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#1127 Dec 5, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text> he wrote that in English, didn't he Rachel? I mean you mean he could have written it on English, no translation for you needed, right, Rachel?
AH! The big bully of the watch tower!Any answers yet for the thread you invited yourself in on to rescue a deluded brother of Satan,then ran and now you think you can change the subject?

But as you mention translation,tell us who on the "translation committee" of the watch tower cult could actually translate Greek and Hebrew?

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

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#1128 Dec 5, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats not easy,its not even in the Holy Bible.Not even in the watch tower version by the liar Freddy Franz.
Now,are you going to expose the cult again or back up your heresy?
Really Aneirin? Is that what you have done?
Show us then where Jesus looked up this Septuagint LXX.
Did that exist then in Jesus time?
Wonder who wrote that?As Jesus said in John 8.
58. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
when God's voice was heard during Jesus' baptism, he did not speak in English.

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#1129 Dec 5, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text> Regardless of our religion he that does the will of God remains forever. Just being a member of a religion will not save anyone. 1 john 5:17.
That exposes the watch tower again.They teach we must identify with Gods visible org.and serve God as part of it.The Holy Scriptures teach we do not need to be a member of anything.

Acts 4.
10.Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11.This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Ps. 118.22
12.Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

“Paradise Earth”

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#1130 Dec 5, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats not easy,its not even in the Holy Bible.Not even in the watch tower version by the liar Freddy Franz.
Now,are you going to expose the cult again or back up your heresy?
Really Aneirin? Is that what you have done?
Show us then where Jesus looked up this Septuagint LXX.
Did that exist then in Jesus time?
Wonder who wrote that?As Jesus said in John 8.
58. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
It is simple enough to check if Jesus is recorded in the Bible as quoting the Septuagint. Why not just do that rather than keep arguing against it?

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#1131 Dec 6, 2012
SOS wrote:
<quoted text>thankyou sister and agape.
the question really was Karen WHY do you choose not to celebrate Christmas?

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#1132 Dec 6, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
That exposes the watch tower again.They teach we must identify with Gods visible org.and serve God as part of it.The Holy Scriptures teach we do not need to be a member of anything.
Acts 4.
10.Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11.This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Ps. 118.22
12.Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
That is true. Just belonging to a religion, even if it claims to promote the teachings that glorify Jesus and his father, does not qualify one for everlasting life, Rachel. I believe you must have misunderstood what I said above. So again, calling ourselves Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics, southern Baptist, Jews, Buddhists, or otherwise does not guarantee salvation. I believe what Jesus said to Satan, one must love Jehovah with heart, mind, and soul.

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#1133 Dec 6, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text> what saves is doing the will of God.
I am a Southern Baptist, I am a Christian, I am doing Gods will. Now please answer the question, will I be saved?

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#1134 Dec 6, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text> the question really was Karen WHY do you choose not to celebrate Christmas?
Because I do not believe that we are suppose to. The bible never really shows us where it is to be celebrated. I know the Angels rejoiced with Jesus was born, and I to celebrate the fact that he was born. But if it was so important for us to celebrate his birth, there would have been more information about when he was born. We know very closely to when he died (which we are told in the bible to remember), we know very closely to when the festivals were to be celebrated, but we do not know when Jesus was born for sure. It could have been anywhere from late Oct to early Feb. The date that was chosen was already an established date to celebrate the birth of the SUN or known as Saturnalia. However, I will not condemn someone who sees there is nothing wrong in it because of how they believe it was turned from a pagan holiday into a Christian one.

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#1135 Dec 6, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
<quoted text>
Because I do not believe that we are suppose to. The bible never really shows us where it is to be celebrated. I know the Angels rejoiced with Jesus was born, and I to celebrate the fact that he was born. But if it was so important for us to celebrate his birth, there would have been more information about when he was born. We know very closely to when he died (which we are told in the bible to remember), we know very closely to when the festivals were to be celebrated, but we do not know when Jesus was born for sure. It could have been anywhere from late Oct to early Feb. The date that was chosen was already an established date to celebrate the birth of the SUN or known as Saturnalia. However, I will not condemn someone who sees there is nothing wrong in it because of how they believe it was turned from a pagan holiday into a Christian one.
But... but... the Catholic Church invented this holiday.

They even used the same celebrations that the Romans invented for worshipping their false gods and dedicated them to Jesus.

I mean pretty much EVERY pagan ritual celebration to false gods (from that time of year) has been incorporated into honouring Jesus.

How can you not love it like everyone else?

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#1136 Dec 6, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
That exposes the watch tower again.They teach we must identify with Gods visible org.and serve God as part of it.The Holy Scriptures teach we do not need to be a member of anything.
Acts 4.
10.Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11.This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Ps. 118.22
12.Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
the nation of Israel was being addressed, it was an organized group and religion.

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#1137 Dec 6, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a Southern Baptist, I am a Christian, I am doing Gods will. Now please answer the question, will I be saved?
I certainly cannot tell you if you will be saved.

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#1138 Dec 6, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
<quoted text>
Because I do not believe that we are suppose to. The bible never really shows us where it is to be celebrated. I know the Angels rejoiced with Jesus was born, and I to celebrate the fact that he was born. But if it was so important for us to celebrate his birth, there would have been more information about when he was born. We know very closely to when he died (which we are told in the bible to remember), we know very closely to when the festivals were to be celebrated, but we do not know when Jesus was born for sure. It could have been anywhere from late Oct to early Feb. The date that was chosen was already an established date to celebrate the birth of the SUN or known as Saturnalia. However, I will not condemn someone who sees there is nothing wrong in it because of how they believe it was turned from a pagan holiday into a Christian one.
is that what they teach in your church, that it is a pagan celebration made Christian with the wrong date, which was a celebration of the sun otherwise known as Saturnalia?
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#1139 Dec 6, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text> if all the religious convictions and i do mean strong opinions expressed by non witnesses on this board alone are disagreeing in many powerful points, you all can't be "telling the truth."
Individuals who have a mind of their own will always disagree on some points but there is only the WTS, and other cults, that say they are Gods' appointed channel. If that were true then the mouthpiece of God would not be guilty of flip flopping doctrine nor would they be false prophets nor would they have the need to lie about what other believe.
To be the mouthpiece of God places them way above others and only truth and love would come from their mouth instead of lies and twisted scriptures to fit their doctrine.
Christ is the only mouthpiece of God as can be seem in Gods' Holy Words, the scriptures.No one can take his place and say you need to follow an org of men for salvation.

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#1140 Dec 6, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
But... but... the Catholic Church invented this holiday.
They even used the same celebrations that the Romans invented for worshipping their false gods and dedicated them to Jesus.
I mean pretty much EVERY pagan ritual celebration to false gods (from that time of year) has been incorporated into honouring Jesus.
How can you not love it like everyone else?
Aneirin, this is a decision that each person will have to make, but the difference is that I AM ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT DECISION WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING DFed, as you would be. You can either make it a pagan holiday, or you can make it a Christian holiday. If people celebrate it with Christ in mind, its a Christian holiday. Giving praise to Jesus is not a bad thing. There are many things in this life that had its beginnings with paganism but I still see JWs doing them. If you are going to get rid of one, you should get rid of all of them. Even the calendar comes from pagan Gods and other things JWs detest. Stop allowing the GB to make decisions for you, make them for yourself and DEMAND that you are treated fairly with your decison and not just kicked out because Rutherford decided that he wanted the religion to be so different from everyone else to make it his own. And please remember, when Jesus appointed your religion the only true one on earth, you were still celebrating Christmas. If it is was so very wrong, would Jesus had still chosen your religion?

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#1141 Dec 6, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text> I certainly cannot tell you if you will be saved.
If you are one of Jehovah's witnesses, your GB feels they have the right to tell me I will not be saved. I am glad that you can see that its no ones place but the Lords to say if I am saved or not.

Since: Nov 09

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#1142 Dec 6, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text> is that what they teach in your church, that it is a pagan celebration made Christian with the wrong date, which was a celebration of the sun otherwise known as Saturnalia?
It doesnt matter what they teach in my church, that church, that Pastor, the members or not the ones who will save me. Only Jesus can do that. My Pastor says he knows it has pagan origins, but he says that if we celebrate it with Jesus in our hearts and make it about Jesus, then it is a Christian holiday. We remove the pagan from it by replacing it with Jesus. But it is still my decision to celebrate it or not, not the churches decision as it is with the Witnesses. And please remember, when Jesus chose the JW religion as the only true one on the face of the earth, JWs were still celebrating Christmas, why would he do that if that was so very wrong? He must have approved it or he would not have chosen the JWs as the true religion. But since they have deviated from so much that they were doing at that time, they have now become wrong in so many things, especially about where your salvation is. It is not in a religion or an organization but in Jesus only. All religions have things wrong in them, but when it is about where your salvation lies, you need to take a second hard look at their other teachings as well.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#1143 Dec 6, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesnt matter what they teach in my church, that church, that Pastor, the members or not the ones who will save me. Only Jesus can do that. My Pastor says he knows it has pagan origins, but he says that if we celebrate it with Jesus in our hearts and make it about Jesus, then it is a Christian holiday. We remove the pagan from it by replacing it with Jesus. But it is still my decision to celebrate it or not, not the churches decision as it is with the Witnesses. And please remember, when Jesus chose the JW religion as the only true one on the face of the earth, JWs were still celebrating Christmas, why would he do that if that was so very wrong? He must have approved it or he would not have chosen the JWs as the true religion. But since they have deviated from so much that they were doing at that time, they have now become wrong in so many things, especially about where your salvation is. It is not in a religion or an organization but in Jesus only. All religions have things wrong in them, but when it is about where your salvation lies, you need to take a second hard look at their other teachings as well.
Where is the scripture that says the WT org was chosen to preach the only truth when they preach lies and hate for others? There is nothing Christian about that org as they self proclaim themselves the mouthpiece og God and then proceed to prophesied falsely and teach falsely as in they are the only way to salvation when scriptures tell us jesus is the only way.

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#1144 Dec 6, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Where is the scripture that says the WT org was chosen to preach the only truth when they preach lies and hate for others? There is nothing Christian about that org as they self proclaim themselves the mouthpiece og God and then proceed to prophesied falsely and teach falsely as in they are the only way to salvation when scriptures tell us jesus is the only way.
Somehow they seem to overlook that scripture DEE. That was the main thing that got me to looking into other things they teach. John 3:16 the most known scripture in all the world clearly says, Whosoever believes in Jesus will be saved. It does not say, whosoever believes in the JW organization will be saved, yet they still cling to what the GB tells them. Satan most certainly has them blinded to the truth.

“John 4:23,24”

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#1145 Dec 6, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
<quoted text>
Aneirin, this is a decision that each person will have to make, but the difference is that I AM ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT DECISION WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING DFed, as you would be. You can either make it a pagan holiday, or you can make it a Christian holiday. If people celebrate it with Christ in mind, its a Christian holiday. Giving praise to Jesus is not a bad thing. There are many things in this life that had its beginnings with paganism but I still see JWs doing them. If you are going to get rid of one, you should get rid of all of them. Even the calendar comes from pagan Gods and other things JWs detest. Stop allowing the GB to make decisions for you, make them for yourself and DEMAND that you are treated fairly with your decison and not just kicked out because Rutherford decided that he wanted the religion to be so different from everyone else to make it his own. And please remember, when Jesus appointed your religion the only true one on earth, you were still celebrating Christmas. If it is was so very wrong, would Jesus had still chosen your religion?
You cannot make a pagan holiday into a Christian holiday just by saying so. Jesus knows what it is about and who it is actually worshipping. He rejects that celebration. He has made it clear to his true followers through the faithful and discreet slave he appointed, and they have stopped touching the unclean thing because they know they cannot have a part with Jesus and be a part of that celebration.

Those who have been taught that Xmas is pagan and still insist on doing it and attaching Jesus' name to it will be rejected by Jesus as workers of lawlessness.

(2 Corinthians 6:14-18)

. . .For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness?

15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be&#8242;li&#8231;al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever?

16 And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said:“I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.”

17 “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah,‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.’”

18 “‘And I shall be a father to YOU, and YOU will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.”

***

(Matthew 7:21-23) 21

 “Not everyone saying to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

22 Many will say to me in that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’

23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

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#1146 Dec 6, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You cannot make a pagan holiday into a Christian holiday just by saying so. Jesus knows what it is about and who it is actually worshipping. He rejects that celebration. He has made it clear to his true followers through the faithful and discreet slave he appointed, and they have stopped touching the unclean thing because they know they cannot have a part with Jesus and be a part of that celebration.
Those who have been taught that Xmas is pagan and still insist on doing it and attaching Jesus' name to it will be rejected by Jesus as workers of lawlessness.
(2 Corinthians 6:14-18)
. . .For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness?
15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be&#8242;li&#8231;al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever?
16 And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said:“I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.”
17 “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah,‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.’”
18 “‘And I shall be a father to YOU, and YOU will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.”
***
(Matthew 7:21-23) 21
 “Not everyone saying to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
22 Many will say to me in that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’
23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.
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. God's chosen people in the bible.. The Jews... were given a day very much like Christmas.. To be celebrated each year at the 14-15th day of Adar.. You might want to refresh your memory by reading Ester 9:22.. Was this a copy of a pagan holiday.. OR.. did the pagan holiday evolve from it???

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