The Great Day of Jehovah is Near
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#936 Nov 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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What is your Father's personal name?
Do you think calling my father by his first name is more intimate than calling him father or is it presumptuous? I would have been told in no uncertain terms that that is not proper and not to do it again.

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#937 Nov 20, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Do you think calling my father by his first name is more intimate than calling him father or is it presumptuous? I would have been told in no uncertain terms that that is not proper and not to do it again.
What is your heavenly Father's first name?

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Glasgow, UK

#938 Nov 20, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
I have taught you a lot, but you didn't learn.
Please teach me what Romans and Galatians teaches us.

I promise I will listen intently.

Please share with us the precious gems you found therein! Don't hold back now!
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#939 Nov 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your heavenly Father's first name?
His name is not known.
The WTsaid.,"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language."
The Divine Name, p. 7
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Ask yourself why the WT thinks it is important to use a made up name esp since they say it is NOT IMPORTANT TO KNOW HIS NAME and then they say,
Have you been taught to use God's name, Jehovah? If not, your salvation is in jeopardy, for "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved (Proclaimers p.99 )
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Right there DUHBOY, is your RED FLAG, for that is a lie , for you know or should know, that only Jesus is salvation and only the name Jesus should be proclaimed throughout the world.
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"The conventioners were thrilled to learn that this new translation [NWT] restored the divine name Jehovah 237 times in the main text from Matthew to Revelation!"
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So the WT has admitted to adding a false name to the scriptures for they have admitted the name is not known and Yahweh is more actuate so why didn't they put Yahweh instead?
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Can't you see the twistings and lies you are fed by the so called mouthpiece of God? Open your eyes, DUHBOY, and see the truth of who you are following.

“Close enough”

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#940 Nov 20, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Do you think calling my father by his first name is more intimate than calling him father or is it presumptuous? I would have been told in no uncertain terms that that is not proper and not to do it again.
When the Father continually tells people His Name, identifies Himself by His name, then it is more than proper and loving to call Him by His Holy Name.

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#941 Nov 20, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> His name is not known.
The WTsaid.,"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language."
The Divine Name, p. 7
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Ask yourself why the WT thinks it is important to use a made up name esp since they say it is NOT IMPORTANT TO KNOW HIS NAME and then they say,
Have you been taught to use God's name, Jehovah? If not, your salvation is in jeopardy, for "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved (Proclaimers p.99 )
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Right there DUHBOY, is your RED FLAG, for that is a lie , for you know or should know, that only Jesus is salvation and only the name Jesus should be proclaimed throughout the world.
.
"The conventioners were thrilled to learn that this new translation [NWT] restored the divine name Jehovah 237 times in the main text from Matthew to Revelation!"
.
So the WT has admitted to adding a false name to the scriptures for they have admitted the name is not known and Yahweh is more actuate so why didn't they put Yahweh instead?
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Can't you see the twistings and lies you are fed by the so called mouthpiece of God? Open your eyes, DUHBOY, and see the truth of who you are following.
It is a proper translation to use the term "Jehovah" for the name of God, since it comes from the Latinized version of God's Name. Most rationally intelligent people understand that translations differ, and as Jehovah's Witnesses who speak English, we agree to pronounce the Divine Name as Jehovah. You are twisting not only God's words, but the words of others. I see this all the time by you. Don't think others who care and read your writings (LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES) cannot see it. Many can.

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#942 Nov 20, 2012
dee, we don't say Yahweh in English because we agree to say Jehovah as God's name in English right now. The same way we don't say Yaysous or Heysous now for Jesus in English. Yaysous or Iousous may be closer to the original Greek, similar to Yehoshua is in Hebrew, probably closer to the way Jesus' name was said, but most people that speak English understand Jesus instead of Yehoshua. There is no translational problem. Or pronunciation problem.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#943 Nov 20, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>When the Father continually tells people His Name, identifies Himself by His name, then it is more than proper and loving to call Him by His Holy Name.
The Father told His name to the jews and they did not use it for fear of taking it in vain. It was therefore lost in time....So please tell me where God continually tells people to use his name? Jesus said to call him Father..why would a Christian have an aversion to calling his God Father rather than a false name?
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#944 Nov 20, 2012
miseracord wrote:
dee, we don't say Yahweh in English because we agree to say Jehovah as God's name in English right now. The same way we don't say Yaysous or Heysous now for Jesus in English. Yaysous or Iousous may be closer to the original Greek, similar to Yehoshua is in Hebrew, probably closer to the way Jesus' name was said, but most people that speak English understand Jesus instead of Yehoshua. There is no translational problem. Or pronunciation problem.
There is no translational problem with Jesus because that name was spoken often and so it is known.
The problem arises when there is no name in any language to translate. YHWH is all there is and that can't be translated without vowels.

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#945 Nov 20, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> There is no translational problem with Jesus because that name was spoken often and so it is known.
LOL, in what language? When did Yeshua's name start being called JESUS? Here's a little history: The first letter in the name Yeshua (possible, but not certain transliteration of Jesus' name from Hebrew to English letters for pronunciation) is the yod. Yod is the letter that is the "Y" sound in Hebrew. The yod in the many names in the Bible starting with the "Y" sound in Hebrew was eventually transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. When English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, the transliterations from the "J" sound were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as yerushaLAyim, yeriHO, and yarDEN have become commonly and acceptably known as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yoNA, yiSHAI, and yeSHUa have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus.
dee lightful wrote:
The problem arises when there is no name in any language to translate. YHWH is all there is and that can't be translated without vowels.
We know that. Neither is the original pronunciation of Jesus known. The above explains in part that these sounds changed when English speakers said the "J" sound instead of the Ye (yod) sound, as in Yehrushalayim (Jerusalem) and so forth. A very interesting description of the changing nuances of pronunciation of the Yod sound from Hebrew to Englsh is found at http://jbq.jewishbible.org/assets/Uploads/334... . I have met few who objected when the name Jerusalem is brought up instead of Yerushalayim. Yet it was never EVER written that way with a "J" sound in Hebrew. Because there IS none. It is the same with Jesus and Jehovah.

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#946 Nov 20, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> The Father told His name to the jews and they did not use it for fear of taking it in vain. It was therefore lost in time....So please tell me where God continually tells people to use his name?
He used his name constantly in the Bible; so did the Jews prior to the development of that false teaching that it would be a desecration to even utter the name on sinful lips. When you pray, who to you pray to? God? Jesus? The holy spirit? The Trinity? Do you use the name of Jesus in your prayers?

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#947 Nov 20, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a proper translation to use the term "Jehovah" for the name of God, since it comes from the Latinized version of God's Name. Most rationally intelligent people understand that translations differ, and as Jehovah's Witnesses who speak English, we agree to pronounce the Divine Name as Jehovah. You are twisting not only God's words, but the words of others. I see this all the time by you. Don't think others who care and read your writings (LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES) cannot see it. Many can.
The watch tower disagrees with you.

"While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yahweh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it Since the 14th century. New World Translation, Jehovah's Witnesses, foreword p 25)

Go argue with them.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#948 Nov 20, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, in what language? When did Yeshua's name start being called JESUS? Here's a little history: The first letter in the name Yeshua (possible, but not certain transliteration of Jesus' name from Hebrew to English letters for pronunciation) is the yod. Yod is the letter that is the "Y" sound in Hebrew. The yod in the many names in the Bible starting with the "Y" sound in Hebrew was eventually transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. When English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, the transliterations from the "J" sound were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as yerushaLAyim, yeriHO, and yarDEN have become commonly and acceptably known as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yoNA, yiSHAI, and yeSHUa have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus.
<quoted text>
We know that. Neither is the original pronunciation of Jesus known. The above explains in part that these sounds changed when English speakers said the "J" sound instead of the Ye (yod) sound, as in Yehrushalayim (Jerusalem) and so forth. A very interesting description of the changing nuances of pronunciation of the Yod sound from Hebrew to Englsh is found at http://jbq.jewishbible.org/assets/Uploads/334... . I have met few who objected when the name Jerusalem is brought up instead of Yerushalayim. Yet it was never EVER written that way with a "J" sound in Hebrew. Because there IS none. It is the same with Jesus and Jehovah.
Yeshua is Hebrew translated into Greek becomes I&#275;sous and into English as Jesus. That is the accepted translation. Do you have a problem with it?
There is no biblical word than can become Jehovah. There is YHWH with no vowels and is not translatable without vowels.
Here is a little history lesson for you that you seem to ignore because it doesn't fit your man made beliefs.In 1270 a monk who was writing a book inserted vowels where there was none...and there you have a made up name for God who did not see fit to preserve his name because his name was not the name that should be preached throughout the world....Jesus is that name and Jesus said to call God Father. That should be good enough for a Christian but not for a cult of flip flopping false teachers who are false. prophets.
Do you realize that IF Jehovah was actually Gods name you all would be guilty of breaking the 3th commandment by continually bandying that name around and taking it for an org of men? Either way you are at the wrong end of the stick. The only thing that saves you is that it is not Gods' name , that having been lost a long time ago.
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Here:
While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century.(The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1969, p. 23.)
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and here:
The WTsaid.,"Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language."
The Divine Name, p. 7
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dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#949 Nov 20, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>
He used his name constantly in the Bible; so did the Jews prior to the development of that false teaching that it would be a desecration to even utter the name on sinful lips. When you pray, who to you pray to? God? Jesus? The holy spirit? The Trinity? Do you use the name of Jesus in your prayers?
What do you mean" prior to the development of that false teaching that it would be a desecration to even utter the name on sinful lips.
That is the 3 th commandment that was given to Moses. When we look at the desecration of what the JW's do with the name they THINK is the name for God, the Jews did the right thing by not using it and thereby losing it. God gave His name to His people, the Jews, and no one else.

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#950 Nov 20, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>
He used his name constantly in the Bible; so did the Jews prior to the development of that false teaching that it would be a desecration to even utter the name on sinful lips. When you pray, who to you pray to? God? Jesus? The holy spirit? The Trinity? Do you use the name of Jesus in your prayers?
All three of them,thank you for posting the answer to your own question,the Bible tells us in Matthew 12.
37. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

God says in .1 John 5.

7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Let see what the Holy Scriptures say.
Mat 6.
9.After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name….
10.Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

The cult watch tower admits its wrong but uses the name Jehovah because it is more pleasing to man not God.

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Since: Aug 12

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#951 Nov 21, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
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The watch tower disagrees with you.
"While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yahweh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it Since the 14th century. New World Translation, Jehovah's Witnesses, foreword p 25)
Go argue with them.
That is essentially what I said. You just failed to see it. It is not a "mistranslation" to translate the tetragrammaton as JEHOVAH. It is not a mistranslation to translate it as Yahweh. Yahweh is closer to the original, but no one KNOWS -- and Witnesses say the name JEHOVAH because of people's familiarity with it. That is essentially what I said. Not a mistranslation, similar to Jesus not being a mistranslation. If you were intellectually and spiritually honest, you'd be able to say the same thing about the names being translated.

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#952 Nov 21, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
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All three of them,thank you for posting the answer to your own question,the Bible tells us in Matthew 12.
37. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
God says in .1 John 5.
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Let see what the Holy Scriptures say.
Mat 6.
9.After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name….
10.Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
The cult watch tower admits its wrong but uses the name Jehovah because it is more pleasing to man not God.
Rachel, all three bear witness to the fact that God's name is Jehovah, the Son's name is Jesus (both spelled correctly and translated correctly), but the holy spirit is without a personal name. Jehovah is not a mistranslation, neither is Jesus. But the holy spirit has no name, there is no J in the words holy spirit.

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Since: Aug 12

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#953 Nov 21, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
All three of them,thank you for posting the answer to your own question,the Bible tells us in Matthew 12.
37. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
God says in .1 John 5.
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Let see what the Holy Scriptures say.
Mat 6.
9.After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name….
10.Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
The cult watch tower admits its wrong but uses the name Jehovah because it is more pleasing to man not God.
So it is you don't use the name Jesus in your prayers.

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#954 Nov 21, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> What do you mean" prior to the development of that false teaching that it would be a desecration to even utter the name on sinful lips.
That is the 3 th commandment that was given to Moses. When we look at the desecration of what the JW's do with the name they THINK is the name for God, the Jews did the right thing by not using it and thereby losing it. God gave His name to His people, the Jews, and no one else.
So it is you don't use the name Jesus when addressing the Son in your prayers. If you feel that way of course that is your choice. But then please do not try to lie your way into saying that you can say Jesus either.
frogmann

Masontown, PA

#955 Nov 21, 2012
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