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Nov 15, 2012
 
Karen look
Rom 1:18 For God's anger is being revealed from Heaven against all impiety and against the iniquity of men who through iniquity suppress the truth. God is angry.
Luke 3:7 (NIV) John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?"

Zeph 1:14-15,18 (NIV) "The great day of the Lord is near--near and coming quickly. Listen! The cry on the day of the Lord will be bitter... That day will be a day of wrath, a day of distress and anguish... In the fire of his jealousy the whole world will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live in the earth."

John 3:36 (NIV) "Whoever puts his faith in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see that life, for God's wrath remains on him."

Eph 5:6 (Jer) Do not let anyone deceive you with empty arguments: it is for this loose living that God's wrath comes down on those who rebel against him. Make sure you are not included with them.

There is more on God's wrath lots more and it should serve as a warning God punishes sin and those who reject His son .

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Nov 15, 2012
 
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Rom 1:18 For God's anger is being revealed from Heaven against all impiety and against the iniquity of men who through iniquity suppress the truth. God is angry.
Luke 3:7 (NIV) John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?"
Zeph 1:14-15,18 (NIV) "The great day of the Lord is near--near and coming quickly. Listen! The cry on the day of the Lord will be bitter... That day will be a day of wrath, a day of distress and anguish... In the fire of his jealousy the whole world will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live in the earth."
John 3:36 (NIV) "Whoever puts his faith in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see that life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Eph 5:6 (Jer) Do not let anyone deceive you with empty arguments: it is for this loose living that God's wrath comes down on those who rebel against him. Make sure you are not included with them.
There is more on God's wrath lots more and it should serve as a warning God punishes sin and those who reject His son .
And Gods wrath comes down on them not because of God, but because of themselves. They blame God for being an angry God but in reality he is a loving God giving them every chance in the world to live according to his will.
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Yet when I even barely touched on the abuse I received from my Baptist father, YOU AND KAREN jumped on his side and said that I deserved every bit of it and that you felt sorry for my father for having to abuse me. You said you knew it broke HIS heart, not an ounce of feeling for me.
Jesus spoke about people like you, and it was not good.
Be honest for a change EE! The only reason you brought it up was because you were trying to make Baptists look bad!

Nobody deserves to be beat, not even you!
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The Real Karen wrote:
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And Gods wrath comes down on them not because of God, but because of themselves. They blame God for being an angry God but in reality he is a loving God giving them every chance in the world to live according to his will.
God corrects those he loves but that is very different from the day he pours out his wrath .God's day of wrath is not to correct to try and save it is to punish sin and his enemies . God sent His son to die for us so that by accepting that we can avoid His wrath I mean he did all he could for us out of love , yet , if we reject that we then line ourselves up for God's wrath it will not be pretty and it will contain no mercy it will be strictly to punish sin and those who have rejected God's son .God showed his love and mercy at Calvery when JESUS DIED FOR US , we can accept that gift of love or reject it , our choice , with our choices comes consequences and those God has spelled out eternal life with God in his new heaven and new earth or eternal damnation in a place called the lake of fire or the second death we pick God doesn't pick it is our choice where we end up not God's .God desires no man to suffer damnation that is why he sent Jesus and why Jesus came .

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The Real Karen wrote:
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Jesus loves you.
She knows that and she also knows that Jehovah loves her.
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Is your spirituality so damaged that you go against the teachings of the jws with your halloween avatar?
http://georgiasgifts-catblog.com/tag/hallowee...
Why do you care what picture she uses. How is this going against teachings of JW's by using a picture?

“John 4:23,24”

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She knows that and she also knows that Jehovah loves her.
Karen has cheapened that expression so much that it is meaningless when she says it. She even stated that she says it because she thinks we don't like for her to say it.

As you and I well know, the fact is that Jesus loved the world of mankind in general so much that he gave his life so that everyone actually exercising faith in him could be saved.

Salvation does not come to individuals of mankind automatically through Jesus' sacrifice. Many of mankind will exercise genuine faith in Jesus, not just lip service. It will be manifest in their obedience to him and his commands.

Jesus loves those who obey his commands, all of them.

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(John 15:8-10) 8 My Father is glorified in this, that YOU keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples. 9 Just as the Father has loved me and I have loved YOU, remain in my love.

10 If YOU observe my commandments, YOU will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love. . .

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(John 15:12-14) 12 This is my commandment, that YOU love one another just as I have loved YOU.

13 No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends.

14 YOU are my friends if YOU do what I am commanding YOU.

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Jesus loves you both.

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She knows that and she also knows that Jehovah loves her.
Then will you explain to me why you will never hear a witness say those words to anyone? All my many years as a witness, never once did I ever hear a witness tell someone that, and we should remind people of it every chance we get. He loved us so much that he took on OUR sins and died for US. ALL OF US, all of us sinners. And yes, although you don't like it, he died for me, Pat, Michelle, RHW, Pam, dee, unlisted, and all the others here you all constantly call names. We are included in that all of us, as are all of you. The difference is what we do with that information, do we give credit to him for saving us, or do we give credit to a religion or organization? I do believe the bible says to give it to Jesus Christ.
I will continue to tell her that Jesus loves her rather than respond to her comments, hopefully one day it will hit her that Jesus does really love her and wants her to come to him for salvation.

Before anyone says anything, I did leave, I came back to see what was going on while waiting for a phone call from the Pastor .:)

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#537
Nov 15, 2012
 
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Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? lol
There's nothing wrong in what I said. Karen blamed the elders for her Mom for staying in an abusive marriage and involving her kids.

We don't know if Topsy's wife's situation is like Karen and her mother. Since Topsy's wife has no elders to blame then I'm sure she will protect her kids if need be. Karen, by her own words, Mom didn't.

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Karen has cheapened that expression so much that it is meaningless when she says it. She even stated that she says it because she thinks we don't like for her to say it.
As you and I well know, the fact is that Jesus loved the world of mankind in general so much that he gave his life so that everyone actually exercising faith in him could be saved.
Salvation does not come to individuals of mankind automatically through Jesus' sacrifice. Many of mankind will exercise genuine faith in Jesus, not just lip service. It will be manifest in their obedience to him and his commands.
Jesus loves those who obey his commands, all of them.
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(John 15:8-10) 8 My Father is glorified in this, that YOU keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples. 9 Just as the Father has loved me and I have loved YOU, remain in my love.
10 If YOU observe my commandments, YOU will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love. . .
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(John 15:12-14) 12 This is my commandment, that YOU love one another just as I have loved YOU.
13 No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends.
14 YOU are my friends if YOU do what I am commanding YOU.
Yes, she has cheapened it. She thinks if she says it enough it will score her some points. Jesus never did that and he wouldn't want her to cheapen his name or his love for mankind.
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Karen has cheapened that expression so much that it is meaningless when she says it. She even stated that she says it because she thinks we don't like for her to say it.
Carolyn/EE I would much rather hear Karens "Jesus Loves You" ANYDAY over you MOCKING GOD and his SON by the EVIL lies you speak out of your ABUSIVE Wrinkled LIPS...

You make a MOCKERY out of God and his SON on a daily basis and you spew out such evilness its sickening and pathetic..

Karen and Pat are wonderful Christian women with MORALS unlike you evil one..

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There's nothing wrong in what I said. Karen blamed the elders for her Mom for staying in an abusive marriage and involving her kids.
We don't know if Topsy's wife's situation is like Karen and her mother. Since Topsy's wife has no elders to blame then I'm sure she will protect her kids if need be. Karen, by her own words, Mom didn't.
I never said she didn't protect us and it was so wrong of you to even say those words to make my mother look bad. These things usually happened behind closed doors when we were young. As we got older they usually happened when we were gone, but the one time I did try to step in and got hit myself, my mother did tell me to back out of it. For you to say my mother would not have protected us was wrong of you. She loved us more than life itself and would have died for us. I know Topsys wife loves her children that way as well. A wife abuse situation is horrible no matter who is involved in it, but to have MEN tell you to remain and be the "good little wife" for a religion is so WRONG. I hope you are never in a situation like this to find out how it is really handled if you go to an Elder. Yes I blame the Elders and always will, if it had been a Priest or Pastor who had told her to stay, I would blame them as well. There is no reason a woman should remain in a abusive relationship, as they often lead to death. The Elders should have told her to get out of that abusive relationship and never look back.

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Yes, she has cheapened it. She thinks if she says it enough it will score her some points. Jesus never did that and he wouldn't want her to cheapen his name or his love for mankind.
I cannot believe you actually said that, how in the world does it cheapen anyone to tell them that Jesus loves them. That is the saddest thing I have ever heard in my life. Yes, I know it upsets witnesses to hear those words, and you know thats true, but it will not stop me from telling her and praying that one day it sinks in and she will realize what he did for her with that love.

It is never cheapening his name to tell anyone that Jesus loves them. You yourself should realize how wrong that is of you to say. It does show his love for mankind when we tell o9thers that, he is not here right now so we must tell people. Some people do not even realize what he did for them. Its also a good way to start a conversation about what he did for all of us.

I don't think it is going to score me anything, but I do know that Jesus loves me and you and everyone else on this earth.

Instead of telling people that I must come to an organization or religion to be saved, I will tell them that Jesus loves them so much, that he died so that they could have eternal life. Which one do you find in the bible?:)

Jesus loves you.

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Carolyn/EE I would much rather hear Karens "Jesus Loves You" ANYDAY over you MOCKING GOD and his SON by the EVIL lies you speak out of your ABUSIVE Wrinkled LIPS...
You make a MOCKERY out of God and his SON on a daily basis and you spew out such evilness its sickening and pathetic..
Karen and Pat are wonderful Christian women with MORALS unlike you evil one..
It is certainly sad that they would not want to hear that Jesus loves them. The thing Jesus expressed most while on this earth was how we are to love one another. I feel very sorry for them.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
Gotta go. Have a wonderful day.

Remember, Jesus Loves you.
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I agree we are a dysfunctional bunch for sure. All of us have skeletons in our closets,some we share, some we do not. When I think back on my life as a child, I can only remember the bad times, maybe because there were more bad than good. Did it have to do with my mother becoming a witness, I have no idea, but I do know that once mom became a witness, it seemed my dad was left out because he was not a witness. I don't like to think back about my childhood because there was a lot of bad things in it. We never went hungry, or without clothes to wear, but living in a home where the father beat the mother was a scary thing. I often wondered by mom never left him, but now I know that it was frowned upon by the witnesses. So she remained in that abusive marriage until he died, and then remarried years later to a good man who never lifted a finger to harm her.
Maybe "simply" was right, I am disrespecting my father, but how can a person respect someone who beats the living daylights out of their mother. I loved him yes, but respect him, no.
My way of dealing with it was to shut it out. I remember nothing of my younger years..only what my siblings have filled in, so their memories have become mine..so to say.
My father is still alive and has never left the JW religion...I really don't know him. I have visited him a few times over the years but my step dad is the one who walked me down the aisle and is grandpa to my children.

I personally think a child can never grow up to respect a father who beat their mother...I think down deep inside the father knows he lost all rights to expect anything from the children who lived through such hell.
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The Real Karen wrote:
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How could I save my mother when she would not let me, drag her by the hair out of the home? I told her many times to leave him and come to live with me, but she stayed because the Elders told her that is what she was suppose to do. And being the good witness that she was, she obeyed them and continued to be beat time after time after time. I do blame the Elders, had they told her not to allow this and leave, she would have come to live with me and not had to endure the horrible beatings she did. I myself suffered from his hand because I tried to step in, she told me never to do that again.
Topsys wife is doing what she feels she must do, you have never been in a situation like this or you would understand it. They are scared to be on their own, they dont want to go back to the life before especially if she was living a life like Topsy says. She loves him even though he alledgedly beat her, my mother loved my father to. I am sure most women who are beat by their husbands love them, and they hope they will change. It takes a very strong women to walk away from a home. Did you ever watch Whats love got to do with it about Tina Turner, look how long she stayed with him doing that to her, even to the point of trying to kill herself. Women in these situations often blame themselves for the abuse and its even made worse by Elders telling them they are as well.
I do not hate Topsy as you say, but I do think he is dishonest in things he does on here. He knew I was not involved in the stalking of him and he admitted it to me in a PM. But he is to dishonest to admit it here on this forum to you and your "friends". Every time it has been mentioned, he runs from the topic.
I wonder why she didn't message any witnesses when it is rumored that one of them was even emailing with him behind her back. Would you have messaged a JW if that was going on behind your back? She messaged those she felt she could trust. If I found out a woman was emailing with my husband and I knew nothing about it, I would become very suspicious of that relationship. I am not saying it is true as I have no proof of it, but I was told by his wife that it was going on. I told her I did not want to be part of it so to please stop including me, she understood and left it at that.
I have to ask why it is that all of you were so for Topsy getting back with her, when none of you know the truth about the situation, only his word for it. Yet you all take it for truth when you hear things about what Shell has done. All you have is her word and the words from the courts. And who was it that brought that information here but TPMP himself which shows he was stalking her, but I do believe one of you put him up to it. If Shell is guilty due to words on a page, so is Topsy. Neither have been proven guilty yet, right?
WE should all just pray for Topsys relationship, that if he did beat her, he has stopped, and for Michelle that she is telling us the truth, and she has learned from her mistakes. We should not wish harm to either one of them.
The elders would not encourage an abused spouse to stay with their mate. Separation for a time, however long or short? Yes.

They do discourage divorce if no adultery is involved.
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<quoted text>The elders would not encourage an abused spouse to stay with their mate. Separation for a time, however long or short? Yes.
They do discourage divorce if no adultery is involved.
Back in the day they did TPMP.
I have no idea how they handle spousal abuse now but they certainly use to blame the abuse on the women back when it was happening to my mother.
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