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#508 Nov 15, 2012
Pat wrote:
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IT DOESN'T but it makes for good provoking of that other person who is simply telling a life experience .God would everyone had nothing but good parents and experiences but they don't and many have came out of situations that were less than perfect yet survived and were better for it and have learned to become better not bitter .God bless .
You are so right Pat, it did teach me many things about the type of man I would marry. It also showed me that love does NOT HURT! True love does not beat you, it does not cheat on you. True love takes care of those it loves and helps you to grow not away from the person, but with the person. I am glad that my mother had that type of love before she passed away from a very good man. I am also very happy that I found that type of love with the man I have been with for over 44 years.

“John 4:23,24”

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#509 Nov 15, 2012
Pat wrote:
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IT DOESN'T but it makes for good provoking of that other person who is simply telling a life experience .God would everyone had nothing but good parents and experiences but they don't and many have came out of situations that were less than perfect yet survived and were better for it and have learned to become better not bitter .God bless .
Yet when I even barely touched on the abuse I received from my Baptist father, YOU AND KAREN jumped on his side and said that I deserved every bit of it and that you felt sorry for my father for having to abuse me. You said you knew it broke HIS heart, not an ounce of feeling for me.

Jesus spoke about people like you, and it was not good.

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#510 Nov 15, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Yet when I even barely touched on the abuse I received from my Baptist father, YOU AND KAREN jumped on his side and said that I deserved every bit of it and that you felt sorry for my father for having to abuse me. You said you knew it broke HIS heart, not an ounce of feeling for me.
Jesus spoke about people like you, and it was not good.
I feel for any child that has been abused especially by those that they are suppose to be their protector, and sadly this has happened also to JW children, something you have never shown any feeling for.
Florida Sunshine

Jacksonville, FL

#511 Nov 15, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Yet when I even barely touched on the abuse I received from my Baptist father, YOU AND KAREN jumped on his side and said that I deserved every bit of it and that you felt sorry for my father for having to abuse me. You said you knew it broke HIS heart, not an ounce of feeling for me.
Jesus spoke about people like you, and it was not good.
ANY TYPE OF ABUSE IS AWFUL...

So Caroyln,why would you repeat this awful cycle with your own children?
You would think that you would want more for your children?
Why would you want to be so ABUSIVE like your father?

Many times this is what happens and the CYCLE of abuse never ends or stops..

Now it makes sence to why you are so abusive to all christians..

Jesus spoke about you also, I beleive it had to do with satan being your father...

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#512 Nov 15, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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No I am not disrespecting my father, he disrespected himself and my mother. The Elders told my mother to be a good little witness wife and stop making him do those things. Many of those here have even said that JEHOVAH don't like divorce, they have even said they are glad Topsy and his wife got back together, not once thinking about her safety if what he was charged with is true. My mother came very close to death a couple of times because of the beatings she received from my father, but as long as she stayed and was the good little witness, the Elders said "good girl". Please tell me where Jehovah tells any woman to remain in a relationship like that.
one would have to believe you are telling the truth. You seem to blame everything on the elders, if it's not your mother it now is your dad. You should have been the dutiful daughter and saved your mom instead of bellyaching now.

Topsy's wife knows the situation in her home. She knows whether it is safe or not. You or anyone else do not know the situation there and because you don't like Topsy you assume the worst. You assume she is so beaten down she can't make an intelligent decision. She is a mother first and I would have to believe that she will keep her children safe and if that means leaving then she would have left and not reconciled.

I have not seen where they told her to stay because she seems not to have messaged the JWs on here, only the Nons and X-JWs who were not his buddies who seems to have wanted her to take him to the cleaners, plus put him in jail..

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#513 Nov 15, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>I feel for any child that has been abused especially by those that they are suppose to be their protector, and sadly this has happened also to JW children, something you have never shown any feeling for.
I still hurt over putting one of my children through the fear of maybe dying due to the lack of a blood transfusion when she had surgery at the young age of 5. How I could have done that to her is beyond me, and all due to the mis teachings of MEN. A young child only hears a parent say, if she needs blood, do not give it to her, let her die. They dont understand at that age what you feel you are doing is right, they just hear her parents say its okay for her to die. How do you think that makes a child feel inside? I could never apologize enough to her to take away that feeling she must have had at that time.
Pat

Rockford, IL

#514 Nov 15, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Yet when I even barely touched on the abuse I received from my Baptist father, YOU AND KAREN jumped on his side and said that I deserved every bit of it and that you felt sorry for my father for having to abuse me. You said you knew it broke HIS heart, not an ounce of feeling for me.
Jesus spoke about people like you, and it was not good.
YOU said you were a drunk and were going to church at the same time YOU said you were swearing and living wild no wonder your father complained he was trying to save your life .Karen's mother and your situation don't seem to be the same at all . So stop whinning .Seems what your father was doing is not abuse at all your rebelleous even now you sneak behind the backs of the elders and your husband does he know of your activity here?

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#515 Nov 15, 2012
Oh, this is rich:
Simply Intrigued wrote:
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You should have been the dutiful daughter and saved your mom instead of bellyaching now.
Simply Intrigued wrote:
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She is a mother first and I would have to believe that she will keep her children safe
Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? lol

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#516 Nov 15, 2012
Simply Intrigued wrote:
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one would have to believe you are telling the truth. You seem to blame everything on the elders, if it's not your mother it now is your dad. You should have been the dutiful daughter and saved your mom instead of bellyaching now.
Topsy's wife knows the situation in her home. She knows whether it is safe or not. You or anyone else do not know the situation there and because you don't like Topsy you assume the worst. You assume she is so beaten down she can't make an intelligent decision. She is a mother first and I would have to believe that she will keep her children safe and if that means leaving then she would have left and not reconciled.
I have not seen where they told her to stay because she seems not to have messaged the JWs on here, only the Nons and X-JWs who were not his buddies who seems to have wanted her to take him to the cleaners, plus put him in jail..
How could I save my mother when she would not let me, drag her by the hair out of the home? I told her many times to leave him and come to live with me, but she stayed because the Elders told her that is what she was suppose to do. And being the good witness that she was, she obeyed them and continued to be beat time after time after time. I do blame the Elders, had they told her not to allow this and leave, she would have come to live with me and not had to endure the horrible beatings she did. I myself suffered from his hand because I tried to step in, she told me never to do that again.

Topsys wife is doing what she feels she must do, you have never been in a situation like this or you would understand it. They are scared to be on their own, they dont want to go back to the life before especially if she was living a life like Topsy says. She loves him even though he alledgedly beat her, my mother loved my father to. I am sure most women who are beat by their husbands love them, and they hope they will change. It takes a very strong women to walk away from a home. Did you ever watch Whats love got to do with it about Tina Turner, look how long she stayed with him doing that to her, even to the point of trying to kill herself. Women in these situations often blame themselves for the abuse and its even made worse by Elders telling them they are as well.

I do not hate Topsy as you say, but I do think he is dishonest in things he does on here. He knew I was not involved in the stalking of him and he admitted it to me in a PM. But he is to dishonest to admit it here on this forum to you and your "friends". Every time it has been mentioned, he runs from the topic.

I wonder why she didn't message any witnesses when it is rumored that one of them was even emailing with him behind her back. Would you have messaged a JW if that was going on behind your back? She messaged those she felt she could trust. If I found out a woman was emailing with my husband and I knew nothing about it, I would become very suspicious of that relationship. I am not saying it is true as I have no proof of it, but I was told by his wife that it was going on. I told her I did not want to be part of it so to please stop including me, she understood and left it at that.

I have to ask why it is that all of you were so for Topsy getting back with her, when none of you know the truth about the situation, only his word for it. Yet you all take it for truth when you hear things about what Shell has done. All you have is her word and the words from the courts. And who was it that brought that information here but TPMP himself which shows he was stalking her, but I do believe one of you put him up to it. If Shell is guilty due to words on a page, so is Topsy. Neither have been proven guilty yet, right?

WE should all just pray for Topsys relationship, that if he did beat her, he has stopped, and for Michelle that she is telling us the truth, and she has learned from her mistakes. We should not wish harm to either one of them.
Pat

Rockford, IL

#517 Nov 15, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>I feel for any child that has been abused especially by those that they are suppose to be their protector, and sadly this has happened also to JW children, something you have never shown any feeling for.
Everytime someone says anything to her it is persecution and being abusive her father probably faced that same attitude from her .It always goes back to poor EE when she starts most of her own trouble stalking and insulting others doing her best to provoke them , if ths is what her parents faced that explains a lot .
Something is mighty fishy about ole EE .
Pat

Rockford, IL

#518 Nov 15, 2012
acrobat wrote:
Oh, this is rich:
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Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? lol
I don't think you are lol.

“John 4:23,24”

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#519 Nov 15, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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I still hurt over putting one of my children through the fear of maybe dying due to the lack of a blood transfusion when she had surgery at the young age of 5. How I could have done that to her is beyond me, and all due to the mis teachings of MEN. A young child only hears a parent say, if she needs blood, do not give it to her, let her die. They dont understand at that age what you feel you are doing is right, they just hear her parents say its okay for her to die. How do you think that makes a child feel inside? I could never apologize enough to her to take away that feeling she must have had at that time.
If you told the doctors to let your child die, you should feel deep guilt.

And if you told the doctors to let your child die in the hearing of the child, there are no words.

No Witness parent would ever tell the doctors to let their child die.

They would let the doctor know that they have come to the doctor and to the hospital because they want more than anything in the world for their child to live.

They would tell the doctors to use every means at their disposal to save their child's life but without violating God's laws on blood.

They would enlist the aid of the brothers to find every resource on how to treat their child without using blood transfusions.

And they would build faith in their child, faith that obeying Jehovah's commands will not bring lasting harm to them and trust that Jehovah will support them as they continue to obey all of his commands.

“John 4:23,24”

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#520 Nov 15, 2012
Pat wrote:
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YOU said you were a drunk and were going to church at the same time YOU said you were swearing and living wild no wonder your father complained he was trying to save your life .Karen's mother and your situation don't seem to be the same at all . So stop whinning .Seems what your father was doing is not abuse at all your rebelleous even now you sneak behind the backs of the elders and your husband does he know of your activity here?
You have no idea what my father did to me, but it wouldn't make a lick of difference to you anyway.

Your hatred of me goes way back to the first time you were defeated trying to teach me the trinity.

I'm just glad I'm not in your shoes.

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#521 Nov 15, 2012
Pat wrote:
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Everytime someone says anything to her it is persecution and being abusive her father probably faced that same attitude from her .It always goes back to poor EE when she starts most of her own trouble stalking and insulting others doing her best to provoke them , if ths is what her parents faced that explains a lot .
Something is mighty fishy about ole EE .
Pat, its a JW thing saying people are persecuting them all the time. They think anything you say is persecution and they glory in it. Pointing out to them that a Christian man, a father of someone even condemned them to hell is not persecution, but it should open that persons eyes to what they were doing to cause a Father of all people to say that to them.
Pat

Rockford, IL

#522 Nov 15, 2012
acrobat wrote:
Oh, this is rich:
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Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? lol
You will also now notice EE personalized the conversation making her the subject so now she can say they just cannot get enough of talking about me and attacking me she has a pattern she likes to be in the lime light even if the light is bad on her .

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#523 Nov 15, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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If you told the doctors to let your child die, you should feel deep guilt.
And if you told the doctors to let your child die in the hearing of the child, there are no words.
No Witness parent would ever tell the doctors to let their child die.
They would let the doctor know that they have come to the doctor and to the hospital because they want more than anything in the world for their child to live.
They would tell the doctors to use every means at their disposal to save their child's life but without violating God's laws on blood.
They would enlist the aid of the brothers to find every resource on how to treat their child without using blood transfusions.
And they would build faith in their child, faith that obeying Jehovah's commands will not bring lasting harm to them and trust that Jehovah will support them as they continue to obey all of his commands.
Jesus loves you.
Pat

Rockford, IL

#524 Nov 15, 2012
The only New Testament passages that really deal with this subject are Acts 15:20,29. The whole point in context is that these are things which were forbidden by the law and which are still forbidden by the gospel, hence Gentile converts should be taught to observe them. The rest of the New Testament says virtually nothing about this point (cf. Acts 21:25), yet James is clearly saying that this practice is forbidden in the New Testament. To understand the point, we must study the Old Testament law to which James refers. Since the New Testament law here is clearly the same as the Old Testament, we can accept the Old Testament definition of the law.

The Old Testament law required people not to eat flesh with the blood in it; rather, they were required to pour the blood out. See Gen. 9:4; Lev. 3:17; 19:26; 17:10-15; Deut. 12:16,23-28; 15:23; 1 Sam. 14:31ff. Further, they were not to directly eat blood of any animal - Lev. 7:26,27; 17:10ff; Deut. 12:23.

The reason for this is that the life is in the blood, and the blood is offered as the atoning sacrifice - Lev. 17:10-14; Deut. 12:23-28. The wages of sin is death, and death is described as the shedding of blood. Since blood then is the requirement of sin, Jesus today is still our sacrifice having shed His blood for us. The conclusion is that we today are not to eat blood, because Jesus shed His blood for us.

The point is not that there must be not one drop of blood in the meat we eat. It would be impossible to remove every corpuscle. The point is that we are not to deliberately eat blood for the sake of eating blood as a food. Reasonable precautions are to be used to remove the blood, draining it from the animal, "pouring it out." This is to be done at the time the animal is killed; and it is done in slaughtering animals today. Cooking meat also tends to cook out the blood.

Note further that, contrary to Jehovah's Witness' doctrine, nothing here prevents taking blood transfusions. What is condemned is eating blood as a food, not taking it intravenously as a medicine to save lives in time of emergency. The Scriptures and all people recognize the difference between eating or drinking something as a food for nourishment or pleasure, as compared to taking the same thing for medical treatment (see 1 Tim. 5:23).

There is not a single instance in the entire Bible where blood transfusion is mentioned, primarily because this procedure wasn't even in existence until the 1900's. While the Bible was being written, this medical procedure was still a great many centuries away. Since there is nothing about it in the Word of God, isn't it rather difficult to say that blood transfusions are against the Word of God?
Eating animal blood is very different than taking a human blood transfusion to save ones life .
Pat

Rockford, IL

#525 Nov 15, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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Pat, its a JW thing saying people are persecuting them all the time. They think anything you say is persecution and they glory in it. Pointing out to them that a Christian man, a father of someone even condemned them to hell is not persecution, but it should open that persons eyes to what they were doing to cause a Father of all people to say that to them.
Jesus warned people about hell and God's wrath that was coming on sin and those refusing to repent was he then persecuting and abusing them , OF COURSE NOT , He was warning them of the consequences of sin and that there is punishment and seperation from God forever awaiting them , he warned us out of love not hate .People love to talk about a loving God and HE is , HE is also a God of wrath and that wrath is warned about in the Bible and will be poured out one day on all sin and those who have rejected His Son , read about God's wrath in the Bible it is an eye opener .
Pat

Rockford, IL

#526 Nov 15, 2012
Karen look
Rom 1:18 For God's anger is being revealed from Heaven against all impiety and against the iniquity of men who through iniquity suppress the truth. God is angry.
Luke 3:7 (NIV) John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?"

Zeph 1:14-15,18 (NIV) "The great day of the Lord is near--near and coming quickly. Listen! The cry on the day of the Lord will be bitter... That day will be a day of wrath, a day of distress and anguish... In the fire of his jealousy the whole world will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live in the earth."

John 3:36 (NIV) "Whoever puts his faith in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see that life, for God's wrath remains on him."

Eph 5:6 (Jer) Do not let anyone deceive you with empty arguments: it is for this loose living that God's wrath comes down on those who rebel against him. Make sure you are not included with them.

There is more on God's wrath lots more and it should serve as a warning God punishes sin and those who reject His son .

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#527 Nov 15, 2012
Pat wrote:
Karen look
Rom 1:18 For God's anger is being revealed from Heaven against all impiety and against the iniquity of men who through iniquity suppress the truth. God is angry.
Luke 3:7 (NIV) John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?"
Zeph 1:14-15,18 (NIV) "The great day of the Lord is near--near and coming quickly. Listen! The cry on the day of the Lord will be bitter... That day will be a day of wrath, a day of distress and anguish... In the fire of his jealousy the whole world will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live in the earth."
John 3:36 (NIV) "Whoever puts his faith in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see that life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Eph 5:6 (Jer) Do not let anyone deceive you with empty arguments: it is for this loose living that God's wrath comes down on those who rebel against him. Make sure you are not included with them.
There is more on God's wrath lots more and it should serve as a warning God punishes sin and those who reject His son .
And Gods wrath comes down on them not because of God, but because of themselves. They blame God for being an angry God but in reality he is a loving God giving them every chance in the world to live according to his will.

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