Who Degrades & Devalues God's Name Je...
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#577 Oct 26, 2013
Holytrinitybatman wrote:
<quoted text>You must be a drug user chained smoker,tell me did you fall off a bed when you were an infant, that is why you have a scatter brain , you surely lack sense moron. did you check the reference that they give you from those books publish by non JW.A course not infantile boy,you sure know when to cry after they change your soil diapers.
LOL did you ever check those references given by the WT literature ? Check it out and see the lies esp the scholars who thought the NWT was an abomination and yet the WT lied and took their comments out of context to make it appear what they abhorred as being favorable to the mis-translation of God's Holy words.. tsk tsk what happens to those who lie in God's name?
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Proverbs 13:5, "A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame."
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Proverbs 14:5, "A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies."
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The WTS will not escape Gods' wraith for their lies and false prophecies. Will you continue to make excuses for the liars? Your choice!
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#578 Oct 26, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> LOL did you ever check those references given by the WT literature ? Check it out and see the lies esp the scholars who thought the NWT was an abomination
"All scripture is inspired of God"...it doesn't say " All scholars are inspired of God'
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#579 Oct 26, 2013
You see a true witness will encourage faith in THE WORD

A false witness will want you to put faith in scholars.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#580 Oct 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Jehovah Gods name is written in scripture
And it is written all scripture is inspired of God
And that the holy writings can make us wise for salvation
Your words are however not inspired .
The new revised 2013 edition of the New World Translation does not have John 8:1-11 in it.

John chapter 8 starts with verse 12 in the new revised 2013 edition of the New World Translation.

Is the new revised 2013 edition of the New World Translation still inspired of God even though it does not have John 8:1-11 in it, little lamb?
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#581 Oct 26, 2013
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19
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The new revised 2013 edition of the New World Translation does not have John 8:1-11 in it.

John chapter 8 starts with verse 12 in the new revised 2013 edition of the New World Translation.

Is the new revised 2013 edition of the New World Translation still inspired of God even though it does not have John 8:1-11 in it, little lamb?

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For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19

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#582 Oct 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Jehovah Gods name is written in scripture
And it is written all scripture is inspired of God
And that the holy writings can make us wise for salvation
Your words are however not inspired .
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. The original that was written ..was... inspired by GOD.. Yet.. the fact is as plan as the nose on ones face.. That the scriptures have been ..added to... subtracted from and changed enough to alter what was ORIGINALLY written in many places.. Do I think that it has changed the lessons that God was trying to teach us.. NO! I don't.. but it certainly does show men ..for what... they... are..

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#583 Oct 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
You see a true witness will encourage faith in THE WORD
A false witness will want you to put faith in scholars.
This .. I fully agree with..

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#584 Oct 26, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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The exact, correct pronunciation of God's name in English is absolutely,definitely Jehovah.
It is the ancient Hebrew pronunciation that is uncertain.
Since certainty of pronunciation is not now attainable, there seems to be no reason for abandoning in English the well-known form “Jehovah” in favor of some other suggested pronunciation.

Incite on the scriptures. Jehovah.

all my point was is that the WT itself says that the prouncication of the name in English is not certain but close as they go on to use the example of other bible names, which I agree with.

I mean you made a huge issue of a point that the name Jehovah is not certain to be the exact pronounciation. And here the WT agrees.

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#585 Oct 26, 2013
array wrote:
all my point was is that the WT itself says that the prouncication of the name in English is not certain
That's rubbish they NEVER say that.

They say the pronunciation of the name in ancient Hebrew is uncertain.
array wrote:
I mean you made a huge issue of a point that the name Jehovah is not certain to be the exact pronounciation. And here the WT agrees.
Not the exact pronunciation IN ANCIENT HEBREW.

It is the exact pronunciation in Modern English.

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#586 Oct 26, 2013
Which Pronunciation Will You Use?
Where, though, did pronunciations like Yahweh come from? These are forms that have been suggested by modern scholars trying to deduce the original pronunciation of God’s name. Some—though not all—feel that the Israelites before the time of Jesus probably pronounced God’s name Yahweh. But no one can be sure. Perhaps they pronounced it that way, perhaps not.
Nevertheless, many prefer the pronunciation Jehovah. Why? Because it has a currency and familiarity that Yahweh does not have. Would it not, though, be better to use the form that might be closer to the original pronunciation? Not really, for that is not the custom with Bible names.
To take the most prominent example, consider the name of Jesus. Do you know how Jesus’ family and friends addressed him in day-to-day conversation while he was growing up in Nazareth? The truth is, no human knows for certain, although it may have been something like Yeshua (or perhaps Yehoshua). It certainly was not Jesus.
However, when the accounts of his life were written in the Greek language, the inspired writers did not try to preserve that original Hebrew pronunciation. Rather, they rendered the name in Greek, I·e·sous&#8242;. Today, it is rendered differently according to the language of the reader of the Bible. Spanish Bible readers encounter Jesús (pronounced Hes·soos&#8242;). Italians spell it Gesù(pronounced Djay·zoo&#8242;). And Germans spell it Jesus (pronounced Yay&#8242;soos).
Must we stop using the name of Jesus because most of us, or even all of us, do not really know its original pronunciation? So far, no translator has suggested this. We like to use the name, for it identifies the beloved Son of God, Jesus Christ, who gave his lifeblood for us. Would it be showing honor to Jesus to remove all mention of his name in the Bible and replace it with a mere title like “Teacher,” or “Mediator”? Of course not! We can relate to Jesus when we use his name the way it is commonly pronounced in our language.
Similar comments could be made regarding all the names we read in the Bible. We pronounce them in our own language and do not try to imitate the original pronunciation. Thus we say “Jeremiah,” not Yir·meya&#8242;hu. Similarly we say Isaiah, although in his own day this prophet likely was known as Yesha&#701;·ya&#8242;h u. Even scholars who are aware of the original pronunciation of these names use the modern pronunciation, not the ancient, when speaking about them.
And the same is true with the name Jehovah. Even though the modern pronunciation Jehovah might not be exactly the way it was pronounced originally, this in no way detracts from the importance of the name. It identifies the Creator, the living God, the Most High to whom Jesus said:“Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”—Matthew 6:9.
Gods name brochure WTBTS
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And the same is true with the name Jehovah. Even though the modern pronunciation Jehovah might not be exactly the way it was pronounced originally

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because they don't know the correct hebrew obviously they can't get the exact in English.

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#587 Oct 26, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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That's rubbish they NEVER say that.
They say the pronunciation of the name in ancient Hebrew is uncertain.
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Not the exact pronunciation IN ANCIENT HEBREW.
It is the exact pronunciation in Modern English.
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Well..ya know.. If the ancient Hebrew was wrong.. Then .. it's by guess and by gosh.. And we both know that the WTS.. is a by guess and by gosh..printing company..

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#588 Oct 26, 2013
array wrote:
Which Pronunciation Will You Use?
Where, though, did pronunciations like Yahweh come from? These are forms that have been suggested by modern scholars trying to deduce the original pronunciation of God’s name. Some—though not all—feel that the Israelites before the time of Jesus probably pronounced God’s name Yahweh. But no one can be sure. Perhaps they pronounced it that way, perhaps not.
Nevertheless, many prefer the pronunciation Jehovah. Why? Because it has a currency and familiarity that Yahweh does not have. Would it not, though, be better to use the form that might be closer to the original pronunciation? Not really, for that is not the custom with Bible names.
To take the most prominent example, consider the name of Jesus. Do you know how Jesus’ family and friends addressed him in day-to-day conversation while he was growing up in Nazareth? The truth is, no human knows for certain, although it may have been something like Yeshua (or perhaps Yehoshua). It certainly was not Jesus.
However, when the accounts of his life were written in the Greek language, the inspired writers did not try to preserve that original Hebrew pronunciation. Rather, they rendered the name in Greek, I·e·sous&#8242;. Today, it is rendered differently according to the language of the reader of the Bible. Spanish Bible readers encounter Jesús (pronounced Hes·soos&#8242;). Italians spell it Gesù(pronounced Djay·zoo&#8242;). And Germans spell it Jesus (pronounced Yay&#8242;soos).
Must we stop using the name of Jesus because most of us, or even all of us, do not really know its original pronunciation? So far, no translator has suggested this. We like to use the name, for it identifies the beloved Son of God, Jesus Christ, who gave his lifeblood for us. Would it be showing honor to Jesus to remove all mention of his name in the Bible and replace it with a mere title like “Teacher,” or “Mediator”? Of course not! We can relate to Jesus when we use his name the way it is commonly pronounced in our language.
Similar comments could be made regarding all the names we read in the Bible. We pronounce them in our own language and do not try to imitate the original pronunciation. Thus we say “Jeremiah,” not Yir·meya&#8242;hu. Similarly we say Isaiah, although in his own day this prophet likely was known as Yesha&#701;·ya&#8242;h u. Even scholars who are aware of the original pronunciation of these names use the modern pronunciation, not the ancient, when speaking about them.
And the same is true with the name Jehovah. Even though the modern pronunciation Jehovah might not be exactly the way it was pronounced originally, this in no way detracts from the importance of the name. It identifies the Creator, the living God, the Most High to whom Jesus said:“Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”—Matthew 6:9.
Gods name brochure WTBTS
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And the same is true with the name Jehovah. Even though the modern pronunciation Jehovah might not be exactly the way it was pronounced originally
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Way to go proving yourself WRONG Array. That's talking about Ancient Hebrew pronunciation.
array wrote:
because they don't know the correct hebrew obviously they can't get the exact in English.
Don't be stupid. The Hebrew has no bearing whatsoever on how English people pronounce God's name.

How can you be so dumb as to think English people can't pronounce names in their own language?

“Paradise Earth”

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#589 Oct 26, 2013
array wrote:
because they don't know the correct hebrew obviously they can't get the exact in English.
We have had some really cookie made up arguments attacking the validity of God's name in this thread but this is by far the cookiest.

It was only a matter of time before Array started actively working against God's name and here it is.

“Paradise Earth”

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#590 Oct 26, 2013
Array's cookie argument is that if we don't know how to pronounce a name in its original language then wedon't know how to pronounce its translation in English.

How insane is that?

So if I don't happen to know how people pronounced Jesus Christ's name in Greek that means I am incapable of pronouncing "Jesus" correctly in English!!!!!!

If I don't know how Ancient Hebrews pronounced the name of Moses then I am incapable of pronouncing "Moses" correctly in English!!!

Insane,

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#591 Oct 26, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
Array's cookie argument is that if we don't know how to pronounce a name in its original language then wedon't know how to pronounce its translation in English.
How insane is that?
So if I don't happen to know how people pronounced Jesus Christ's name in Greek that means I am incapable of pronouncing "Jesus" correctly in English!!!!!!
If I don't know how Ancient Hebrews pronounced the name of Moses then I am incapable of pronouncing "Moses" correctly in English!!!
Insane,
go back and read what I have said, I accept the English name, that is the ACCEPTED name the WT says that but as they say it cannot be certain that this name is the same as the orginal, they say that themselves, so if they are not certain, then it cannot be sure to be exact, that is all I am saying.

where did the WT get this information from scholars, they themselves are not scholars in hebrew or greek are they but they accept the modern day version even though it cannot be sure of the orginal name. So if one cannot be sure of the orgianal who can YOU say the English is the exact correct name of God, why because of a Cathlic monk says so.

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#592 Oct 26, 2013
"The form Jehovah is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. The sound of Y is represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin. The word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew." Revised Standard Version pp.6-7

"Yahweh-the personal name of the God of the Israelites ... The Masoretes, Jewish biblical scholars of the Middle Ages, replaced the vowel signs that had appeared above or beneath the consonants of YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or of Elohim. Thus, the artificial name Jehovah (YeHoWaH) came into being. Although Christian scholars after the Rendssance and Reformation periods used the term Jehovah for YHWH, in the 19th and 20th centuries biblical scholars again began to use the form Yahweh. Early Christian writers, Such as Clement of Alexandria in the 2nd century, had used the form Yahweh, thus this pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton was never really lost. Greek transcriptions also indicated that Yhwh Should be pronounced Yahweh." Encyclopedia Britannica (Micropedia, vol. 10)

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#593 Oct 26, 2013
About the 13th century the term "Jehovah" appeared when Christian scholars took the consonants of "Yahweh" and pronounced it with the vowels of "Adonai." This resulted in the sound "Yahowah," which has a Latinized spelling of "Jehovah." The first recorded use of this spelling was made by a Spanish Dominican monk, Raymundus Martini, in 1270.
Interestingly, this fact is admitted in much Jehovah's Witness literature, such as their Aid to Bible Understanding (p. 885). This is surprising because Jehovah's Witnesses loathe the Catholic Church and have done everything in their power to strip their church of traces of Catholicism. Despite this, their group's very name contains a Catholic "invention," the name "Jehovah."

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#594 Oct 26, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Way to go proving yourself WRONG Array. That's talking about Ancient Hebrew pronunciation.
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Don't be stupid. The Hebrew has no bearing whatsoever on how English people pronounce God's name.
How can you be so dumb as to think English people can't pronounce names in their own language?
Nevertheless, many prefer the pronunciation Jehovah. Why? Because it has a currency and familiarity that Yahweh does not have. Would it not, though, be better to use the form that might be closer to the original pronunciation? Not really, for that is not the custom with Bible names.

does the WT say that the English prounouciation of Jehovah is exact or correct name of God NO!

in fact the WT does not say ever that the English name Jehovah is completely correct or the orginal name that Abraham used, all they say is that Jehvovah is the most commonly accepted English name of the hebrew Yahweh, that is all, and I agree that no one would have should then use the names Jerimiah Jesus and so on, as their was no J in the hebrew.

Jehovah is not petty like you Anerin he doesn't care if its exact but YOU DO, I don't I was simply making a point.

Your going on because you think the name Jehovah gives proof that JW are the true religion because they use that divine name and preach that name, yet you fail to see it is the God behind the name that is important not the right pronounciation.

And you take this as an attack. I find you really pathetic, you take a simple point I made and turned it into a war.

Since: Aug 12

Manchester, UK

#595 Oct 26, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Saying God's personal name has EVERYTHING to do with it. God did not give mankind his personal name for nothing. God did not tell us to remember his personal name forever for no reason.
You can not have a PERSONAL relationship with an IMPERSONAL God.
A nameless God is an impersonal God. A God spoken of only with titles is an impersonal God.
Approaching God in prayer using his PERSONAL NAME is ENTIRELY different and the only way to truly come to know God as a person.
He gave us his personal name and told us to remember him by it forever.
Jehovah's Witnesses as God's loyal people do exactly that.
My my Anerein, you really do show your carnal nature in this post. Try thinking with spirit and discernment for once. Show me a single prophet in the bible who showed that knowing a name on a piece of paper is the be all and end all to serving God? Or approaching Him? This is the exact OPPOSITE of what they taught! If you're "God's people" SHOW that you are, don't just give lip service...that was the over-all theme of many of their messages to disobedient Israel.

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#597 Oct 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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"All scripture is inspired of God"...it doesn't say " All scholars are inspired of God'
no it doesn't say "all scholars are inspired of God" so where do you think the name Jehovah came from?

scholars, unless of course you can personally udnerstand hebrew and greek, where do you think the WT got the name Jehovah from, did they discover this themselves, or did they consult scholars which in just about every reference to the common English name Jehovah they quote different scholars to back them up.

I know you hate education outside of the bible LL, but really you must have checked them out.

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