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Who Degrades & Devalues God's Name Jehovah

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Thirdwitness

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#1 Oct 13, 2013
Lets see for the record who does.

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#2 Oct 13, 2013
"Who Degrades & Devalues God's Name Jehovah"

Would not a very large devaluation be the claim that God has no name at all?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#3 Oct 13, 2013
There are prophecies in the Bible about God's name being made known. There are statements from Jesus Christ in the Bible that God's name will be made known. There are statements from God himself that his name will be remembered forever.

Yet there are people who actually argue that those prophecies and those words of Jesus Christ and the words of God can not possibly come true because (according to them) no one knows God's name.

Is it really likely that Bible prophecy and the words of Jesus Christ and the words of God himself have all failed because Satan managed to convince people that unless they pronounce God's name exactly the same way Moses pronounced it then it is not really God's name?

He who argues that God's name is unknown/unknowable argues against Bible prophecy, the words of Jesus Christ and the words of God himself.

Since: Oct 10

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#4 Oct 13, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
Lets see for the record who does.
anyone who represents God by using his name like JW's and are false, bring reproach by their conduct, the WTBTS is the biggest stumbling block of all by their own false prophicies, the handling of pedophiles, the lies and manipulation of its people their secrecy and their false teachings.

El cacique

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#5 Oct 13, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>anyone who represents God by using his name like JW's and are false, bring reproach by their conduct, the WTBTS is the biggest stumbling block of all by their own false prophicies, the handling of pedophiles, the lies and manipulation of its people their secrecy and their false teachings.
Embrace your apostasy.

It's you.

“Paradise Earth”

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#6 Oct 13, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>anyone who represents God by using his name like JW's and are false, bring reproach by their conduct, the WTBTS is the biggest stumbling block of all by their own false prophicies, the handling of pedophiles, the lies and manipulation of its people their secrecy and their false teachings.
Interesting that God would choose such a group as Array describes to make his name known throughout the world.

And it is interesting that he has chosen only them and no one else to do it.

MUCH more likely this is going on:

*** Matt 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be like his teacher, and the servant like his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more those of his household!

Since: Oct 10

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#9 Oct 13, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Interesting that God would choose such a group as Array describes to make his name known throughout the world.
And it is interesting that he has chosen only them and no one else to do it.
MUCH more likely this is going on:
*** Matt 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be like his teacher, and the servant like his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more those of his household!
own household refers also to the congregation, and as I see one comment out of line can put any JW under suspicion, if you can't see what the GB are trying to manipulate here then you choose to be blind.

Of course there are some relatives that hate JW, but that is not the norm, the GB are painting all relatives in the same light, because if you read that article is does not say have limited contact with opposing relatives it says unbelievers or non JW relatives.

And many have been stumbled by the false predictions, the way pedophiles have been handled, the WT has never taken any reponsibility for their own failures.

you lot of topix WT witnesses can call me apostate till the cows come home, I will continue to speak the truth and if you don't like it tough!!

Since: Oct 10

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#11 Oct 13, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Interesting that God would choose such a group as Array describes to make his name known throughout the world.
And it is interesting that he has chosen only them and no one else to do it.
MUCH more likely this is going on:
*** Matt 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be like his teacher, and the servant like his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more those of his household!
by the way the divorce rate among JW is very high for such a small group even the elders giving talks have shown alarm over this, now many I know that are not JW including my family have been with the same mate married some for over thirty years, there children are not misfits druggies, crooks or immoral, yet I have seen worse with in the JW faith, its about time you lot got of your pedistal and at the very least speak some sort of truth or see the reality. You need to ask why are these terrible things happening with in my faith, what is going on, instead of making excuses all day long for something that is real, your fairy tale sprititual paradise is just that a fairy tale, and there are reasons for it if you care to search the scriptures and realise that Gods word prophisied these things would happen within Gods own house!

Instead you believe the lie that JW have already been judged and aproved, the contraditions are alarming if you care to open your eyes and be honest.

Since: Jan 12

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#12 Oct 13, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
There are prophecies in the Bible about God's name being made known. There are statements from Jesus Christ in the Bible that God's name will be made known. There are statements from God himself that his name will be remembered forever.
Yet there are people who actually argue that those prophecies and those words of Jesus Christ and the words of God can not possibly come true because (according to them) no one knows God's name.
Is it really likely that Bible prophecy and the words of Jesus Christ and the words of God himself have all failed because Satan managed to convince people that unless they pronounce God's name exactly the same way Moses pronounced it then it is not really God's name?
He who argues that God's name is unknown/unknowable argues against Bible prophecy, the words of Jesus Christ and the words of God himself.
The name is a hybrid; a mistransliteration. Why would you embark on a campaign to teach people a name you know is wrong?

As one scholar put it, and I paraphrase...'the name Jehovah is like spelling Germany with the vowels from the word Portugal...Gormuny

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#13 Oct 13, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>by the way the divorce rate among JW is very high for such a small group even
Making things up out of thin air with no support has always been your thing for as long as I've known you.

The numbers just aren't there to support such ridiculous claims. Normal polling certainly doesn't help either, since adult Witnesses are about 70%+ converts in a lot of areas. Any marriage poll would somehow have to distinguish between a pre-conversion divorce and a post conversion divorce (the stardards Pew surveys do not do this).

El cacique

Since: Dec 12

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#14 Oct 13, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>by the way the divorce rate among JW is very high for such a small group even the elders giving talks have shown alarm over this, now many I know that are not JW including my family have been with the same mate married some for over thirty years, there children are not misfits druggies, crooks or immoral, yet I have seen worse with in the JW faith, its about time you lot got of your pedistal and at the very least speak some sort of truth or see the reality. You need to ask why are these terrible things happening with in my faith, what is going on, instead of making excuses all day long for something that is real, your fairy tale sprititual paradise is just that a fairy tale, and there are reasons for it if you care to search the scriptures and realise that Gods word prophisied these things would happen within Gods own house!
Instead you believe the lie that JW have already been judged and aproved, the contraditions are alarming if you care to open your eyes and be honest.
You are lying.

El cacique

Since: Dec 12

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#15 Oct 13, 2013
Arkham Bravo wrote:
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The name is a hybrid; a mistransliteration. Why would you embark on a campaign to teach people a name you know is wrong?
As one scholar put it, and I paraphrase...'the name Jehovah is like spelling Germany with the vowels from the word Portugal...Gormuny


You will all be shouting his name in the GT. For better or for worse.

You better believe it!

El cacique

Since: Dec 12

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#16 Oct 13, 2013
Tears of Oberon wrote:
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Making things up out of thin air with no support has always been your thing for as long as I've known you.
The numbers just aren't there to support such ridiculous claims. Normal polling certainly doesn't help either, since adult Witnesses are about 70%+ converts in a lot of areas. Any marriage poll would somehow have to distinguish between a pre-conversion divorce and a post conversion divorce (the stardards Pew surveys do not do this).
I count the divorces i know on one hand.

She's talking nonsense.

Since: Oct 10

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#17 Oct 13, 2013
Tears of Oberon wrote:
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Making things up out of thin air with no support has always been your thing for as long as I've known you.
The numbers just aren't there to support such ridiculous claims. Normal polling certainly doesn't help either, since adult Witnesses are about 70%+ converts in a lot of areas. Any marriage poll would somehow have to distinguish between a pre-conversion divorce and a post conversion divorce (the stardards Pew surveys do not do this).
no I am not making things up nor am I lying it is a fact, that the divorce rate among JW is high for a smAll group, and it has been brought out at talks one elder being alarmed at how some brothers even commit adultery to get out of an unhappy marraige get DF get a divorce then come back and remarry, now I am not saying that is high but it happens.

The reason why the Wt has many articles each year on marraige, and divorce, I know many JW that are divorced, now this was rare years ago but not these days and this is what the elder was saying.

Compared to decades ago the divorce rate among JW is much higher.

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#18 Oct 13, 2013
Arkham Bravo wrote:
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The name is a hybrid; a mistransliteration. Why would you embark on a campaign to teach people a name you know is wrong?
As one scholar put it, and I paraphrase...'the name Jehovah is like spelling Germany with the vowels from the word Portugal...Gormuny
But doesn't that example presuppose that you already know the correct spelling and pronunciation of Germany?

But you didn't include what your 'scholar' considered to be the correct and original pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton.

Let us know that, and we will level our own criticisms at his choice.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#19 Oct 13, 2013
God's Word tells us in Isaiah 12 [4] And in that day you will certainly say 'Give thanks to Jehovah ' you people ' Call upon his name . Make known among the pepoles his dealings .

Make mention that his name is to be put on high

Make melody to Jehovah for he has done surpassingly

This is to made known in all the earth.'

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#20 Oct 13, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>no I am not making things up nor am I lying it is a fact, that the divorce rate among JW is high for a smAll group,
High compared to what and in what part of the world?

I think that it is impossible to get any realistic perspective on an issue like this without accurate raw numbers and data. Without those it is nothing but guesses, assumptions and hearsay. So why even bring it up?
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#21 Oct 13, 2013
That is why Jesus is the mediator of a new covenant between God and his people

Because it is the new covenant promise , that Jehovah will become our God and we HIS PEOPLE.'Heb 8 [10]..

So to be Gods PEOPLE it is only through Jesus Christ, that we obtain this standing.

Since: Oct 10

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#22 Oct 13, 2013
one only has to read the many WT study articles each year on divorce and yes bringing out obtaining an unscriputal divorce, many JW these days marry very young that is one of the problems, and if you can call me a liar or making things up all you want, the proof is in the climb in divorce compared to decades ago it was rare, but not so these days, its not uncommon to have in one congregation three or four divorced ones, and some being divorced and remarrying twice, that is not common but it happens.

So utopia spiritual paradise is a myth, if it was real then the WT would not continue to have talks at DC, CA and Wt articles on the same problem every year.

Or are you saying the GB is not giving food at the proper time.

When there are problems they get the feedback from the elders to bethel that goes to headquArters and articles are written for that paticular problem, just like nearly every talk and many Wt study articles are bringing up the growing problem of pornography among JW. Never seen so many articles and heard so many talks on this by the CO also the past few years.

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#23 Oct 13, 2013
array wrote:
one only has to read the many WT study articles each year on divorce and yes bringing out obtaining an unscriputal divorce, many JW these days marry very young that is one of the problems, and if you can call me a liar or making things up all you want, the proof is in the climb in divorce compared to decades ago it was rare, but not so these days, its not uncommon to have in one congregation three or four divorced ones, and some being divorced and remarrying twice, that is not common but it happens.
So utopia spiritual paradise is a myth, if it was real then the WT would not continue to have talks at DC, CA and Wt articles on the same problem every year.
Or are you saying the GB is not giving food at the proper time.
When there are problems they get the feedback from the elders to bethel that goes to headquArters and articles are written for that paticular problem, just like nearly every talk and many Wt study articles are bringing up the growing problem of pornography among JW. Never seen so many articles and heard so many talks on this by the CO also the past few years.
Still no statistics and no differentiation between pre-conversion divorce and post-conversion divorce. And still hasn't answered the question of "compared to what and compared to where?" Why even bring this up at all? It seems like a waste of time.

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