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adey

Orpington, UK

#1 Nov 2, 2008
Why do jehovahs witnesses not allow beards,why do you have to wear a suit,why is it they pick on certain aspects of dress and grooming and then completely ignor others ,i mean the bible is quite clear that women should have long hair yet as soon as a woman reaches a surtain age they cut it short.Also its quite clear a woman should cover her head when praying,also its quite clear about ornate hairstyles braiding ect,go to any assembley and your see many flashy hairdos .The scriptures are quite we should not add or take away to what is written.
dee

Greenville, SC

#2 Nov 2, 2008
The other day I was looking over several older Watchtowers and noticed all the biblical men in the literature had beards.
I am curious as to why beards are forbidden? There is no biblical basis for such a ruling.Is it just another form of control?
abrother

Muskegon, MI

#3 Nov 2, 2008
dee wrote:
The other day I was looking over several older Watchtowers and noticed all the biblical men in the literature had beards.
I am curious as to why beards are forbidden? There is no biblical basis for such a ruling.Is it just another form of control?
Dee

I have seen brothers with beards. And I hope you don't have one. I can't image a woman like you looking like a goat.
iceguy

Wilmington, NC

#4 Nov 2, 2008
dee wrote:
The other day I was looking over several older Watchtowers and noticed all the biblical men in the literature had beards.
I am curious as to why beards are forbidden? There is no biblical basis for such a ruling.Is it just another form of control?
Its not really forbidden to have a beard but you won't be given privledges in the cong and others will judge you as spiritually weak.
Paradise Forever

Elko, NV

#5 Nov 2, 2008
abrother wrote:
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Dee
I have seen brothers with beards. And I hope you don't have one. I can't image a woman like you looking like a goat.
LOL!! Ya just never know.
Paradise Forever

Elko, NV

#6 Nov 2, 2008
But just in case,

instead of a she-goat,

it would be a dee-goat.

(ok, that was lame.:}
happymeal

Overland Park, KS

#7 Nov 2, 2008
abrother wrote:
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Dee
I have seen brothers with beards. And I hope you don't have one. I can't image a woman like you looking like a goat.
Acting like one? Yes.
mardana

Sacramento, CA

#8 Nov 2, 2008
iceguy wrote:
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Its not really forbidden to have a beard but you won't be given privledges in the cong and others will judge you as spiritually weak.
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Hello iceguy -- Could you please explain why JWs would consider a man with a beard "spiritually weak" and would not be "given privileges".

I am not a JW, but I am always surprised at the things I learn about the religion.

By the way, would a man wearing a beard be going against the Bible or are man-made rules and traditions?

Talk about "straining the gnat"!

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iceguy

Wilmington, NC

#9 Nov 2, 2008
mardana wrote:
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Hello iceguy -- Could you please explain why JWs would consider a man with a beard "spiritually weak" and would not be "given privileges".
I am not a JW, but I am always surprised at the things I learn about the religion.
By the way, would a man wearing a beard be going against the Bible or are man-made rules and traditions?
Talk about "straining the gnat"!
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Mardana I was born into the JW religion and spent 42 years in it. Wearing a beard is a man made rule and it certainly does not go against the bible. JW's are conditioned to judge people...so if the Governing Body frowns on wearing a beard, than those in the congregations will judge you as spiritually weak because you went against the Governing Body and grew a beard. Of course the Elders in the congregation can't give you any privledges because you went against the GB by growing a beard.
mardana

Sacramento, CA

#10 Nov 2, 2008
iceguy wrote:
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Mardana I was born into the JW religion and spent 42 years in it. Wearing a beard is a man made rule and it certainly does not go against the bible. JW's are conditioned to judge people...so if the Governing Body frowns on wearing a beard, than those in the congregations will judge you as spiritually weak because you went against the Governing Body and grew a beard. Of course the Elders in the congregation can't give you any privledges because you went against the GB by growing a beard.
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iceguy -- Thanks so much for your reply.

I have come to learn how the GB (or "the slave") demands that JWs follow rules and regulations that go WAY BEYOND SCRIPTURE.

Their heavy burdens of rules and traditions have nothing to do with the Bible.

And the fact that JWs are conditioned to judge people shows what a rigid, mean-spirited religion it is.

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adey

Brighton, UK

#11 Nov 2, 2008
They just pick the bits they like about dresscode and grooming they like and even worse add a load of rules that are not even from the scriptures.Then the assembly comes around and youve got sisters with flashy hairdos,high heels new fashenable clothes plastered with makeup short hair if over fourty never seen one cover their head when praying,they are more corcerned with their appearance than the content of the assembly.Its cool though that when you go to a meeting you can tell the rebels by their beards

Since: Oct 08

United States

#12 Nov 3, 2008
adey wrote:
Why do jehovahs witnesses not allow beards,why do you have to wear a suit,why is it they pick on certain aspects of dress and grooming and then completely ignor others ,i mean the bible is quite clear that women should have long hair yet as soon as a woman reaches a surtain age they cut it short.Also its quite clear a woman should cover her head when praying,also its quite clear about ornate hairstyles braiding ect,go to any assembley and your see many flashy hairdos .The scriptures are quite we should not add or take away to what is written.
The term 'allow' indicates there are rules and sanctions. There are no such rules.

But the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses do not wear beards is because the congregation does not accept beards as the proper grooming for men or women. JWs wear suits because they look the best. The object is to look the best as that dignifies Jehovah.

Why do people wear Armani and Versacci and tuxedoes on the red carpet? To look their best?
iceguy

Wilmington, NC

#13 Nov 3, 2008
Wall Street Wobbler wrote:
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The term 'allow' indicates there are rules and sanctions. There are no such rules.
But the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses do not wear beards is because the congregation does not accept beards as the proper grooming for men or women. JWs wear suits because they look the best. The object is to look the best as that dignifies Jehovah.
Why do people wear Armani and Versacci and tuxedoes on the red carpet? To look their best?
You say there are no rules or sanctions yet you say the congregation DOES NOT ACCEPT beards. That sounds like a rule to me. You are sanctioned if you wear a beard...your not allowed to be a MS or even hold a mic at the meetings if you wear a beard. There is no bases in the Bible for this JW RULE as it is man-made from the GB.
mardana

United States

#14 Nov 3, 2008
adey wrote:
They just pick the bits they like about dresscode and grooming they like and even worse add a load of rules that are not even from the scriptures.Then the assembly comes around and youve got sisters with flashy hairdos,high heels new fashenable clothes plastered with makeup short hair if over fourty never seen one cover their head when praying,they are more corcerned with their appearance than the content of the assembly.Its cool though that when you go to a meeting you can tell the rebels by their beards
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Hello adey -- Thanks for the information.

So, if a "brother" did not wear a tie to a meeting, would he be judged as being "spiritually weak"?

If a "sister" wore a nice pair of slacks and a very pretty blouse instead of a dress to a meeting, would she be judged "spiritually weak"?

I am sure that I already know the answers to those questions.

Can any JW give a Scriptural answer for judging them as "spiritually weak"?

1 Samuel 16:7 -- "For man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD (YHWH) looks at the heart."

2 Corinthians 10:7 -- "You are looking at things as they are outwardly"

The rigid dress code and being judged according to it is just one of the many rules, regulations and traditions that are not Scriptural, but the "the slave" demands JWs to follow.

1 Corinthians 4:6 -- "Do not go beyond what is written"

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Ant

Wood River, IL

#15 Nov 3, 2008
It is not uncommon for legalism in areas of dress and grooming to infect religions.

The Bible Students associated with Russell generally wore beards, as was the style of their day. Rutherford, did not keep a beard and banned beards at the various Bethel homes. In the Watchtower publications Jesus (and also pre-fall Adam) were not depicted with beards.(Under N H Knorr it was decided that it was more historically accurate to depict Jesus in a beard and publications after this adopted this look.)

Anyone who is or has been a JW knows that beards are extremely discouraged and if a man wears one he would be seen as spiritually week and have no position in the congregation. Even long sideburns are questionable. In the "What Does God Require of Us?" brochure there are some photographs depicting a young man who is at various stages in his journey to becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Early in the brochure when he is studying with the Witnesses he has some ear length sideburns airbrushed on. Later in the brochure when he is preaching with the Witnesses he has short sideburns.

The JW's are also fanatical about women wearing dresses. They say this appropriate business attire for women; completely ignoring that the business suit has become more common in the modern business world.

There are other unwritten rules that will be forced depending on the area or the congregation. These tend to go in and out but will include things such as sports coats, tie sizes, and shirt colors. Recently jean skirts have been banned and the Society has published a brochure with specific rules about how to dress when visiting the Bethel offices.

In the book "Pagan Christianity", Frank Viola shows how the history of "dressing up" for Church is a historically recent invention and based in class distinction and the developing middle class. This totally goes against the spirit of James 2:1-4. It is not unusual for JW's to mock members of other religions who do not dress up for church.

In the early days of Christianity, there was no such thing as "dressing up". You simply wore what clothes you wore during your daily life.
Ant

Wood River, IL

#16 Nov 3, 2008
Wall Street Wobbler wrote:
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The term 'allow' indicates there are rules and sanctions. There are no such rules.
But the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses do not wear beards is because the congregation does not accept beards as the proper grooming for men or women. JWs wear suits because they look the best. The object is to look the best as that dignifies Jehovah.
Why do people wear Armani and Versacci and tuxedoes on the red carpet? To look their best?
Why did the Pharisee's wear long tassels?
mardana

United States

#17 Nov 3, 2008
Wall Street Wobbler wrote:
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The term 'allow' indicates there are rules and sanctions. There are no such rules.
But the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses do not wear beards is because the congregation does not accept beards as the proper grooming for men or women. JWs wear suits because they look the best. The object is to look the best as that dignifies Jehovah.
?
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Mormons have the same FORCED dress code as JWs do.

Does wearing suits and ties make "brothers" more "spiritually mature"?

Does wearing dresses make "sisters" more "spiritually mature"?

Why judge on outward appearance?

God looks on the heart.

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NYNY

Whitestone, NY

#18 Nov 3, 2008
mardana wrote:
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Mormons have the same FORCED dress code as JWs do.
Does wearing suits and ties make "brothers" more "spiritually mature"?
Does wearing dresses make "sisters" more "spiritually mature"?
Why judge on outward appearance?
God looks on the heart.
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I agree, Mardana...I don't feel that women should wear tight fitting clothing to church....but what is wrong with a pants suit or slacks and a demure blouse? I believe it is misinterpretation of what MEN think God wants.
daftasabrush

Overland Park, KS

#19 Nov 3, 2008
NYNY

Whitestone, NY

#20 Nov 3, 2008
Wall Street Wobbler wrote:
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The term 'allow' indicates there are rules and sanctions. There are no such rules.
But the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses do not wear beards is because the congregation does not accept beards as the proper grooming for men or women. JWs wear suits because they look the best. The object is to look the best as that dignifies Jehovah.
Why do people wear Armani and Versacci and tuxedoes on the red carpet? To look their best?
So why can't women wear pant suits? Do you think God cares about Armani? I think as long as the clothing is not revealing or tight etc. it should be OK. If all you own are old clothes-it shouldn't stop you from going to service/church. If a man keeps his beard trimmed neatly- what is wrong with that? I know a man who will never cut his mustache because he was born with a cleft lip. Should he be made to cut off his neatly trimmed mustache?

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