es the Bible contradict itself?

es the Bible contradict itself?

Created by Nomi on Jan 14, 2013

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Since: Mar 09

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#1 Jan 14, 2013
Sorry, that should read Does the Bible...somehow the "Do" got lost. Some people do think the Bible does, just curious about how the votes will be.
little lamb

Nudgee, Australia

#2 Jan 15, 2013
It can APPEAR to, if not read properly..

God says in proverbs 1 [23] Turn back at my reproof . Then to YOU I will cause my spirit to bubble forth, I will make my words known to you."

This shows that God operates on us at an individual level..Its him who makes his words known to us, by his spirit...but we have to heed his counsel

verse [30-32] They did not consent to MY counsel , they disregarded all my reproof . So they will be glutted with THEIR OWN counsel . For the renegading of the inexperienced ones is what will kill them , and the easygoingness of the stupid is what will destroy them."

“Is that the best you can do?”

Since: Oct 11

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#3 Jan 15, 2013
Here is a very simple and obvious one.

There is two creation accounts.

One says that everything was created before man, the second says that the earth was desolate when man was first placed upon it.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#4 Jan 15, 2013
Reader519 wrote:
Here is a very simple and obvious one.
There is two creation accounts.
One says that everything was created before man, the second says that the earth was desolate when man was first placed upon it.
It's always helpful when the verses that say such things are presented for consideration.

sidgi

Since: Jul 12

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#5 Jan 15, 2013
The Bible says what the Bible says.

Since: Jan 12

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#6 Jan 15, 2013
Like when God said "Let there be light" on the FIRST DAY and then on the FOURTH DAY he decides to create the sun and moon?!

Read it for yourself.

Can anyone explain that logically without adding to the scriptures?
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#7 Jan 15, 2013
Arkham Bravo wrote:
Like when God said "Let there be light" on the FIRST DAY and then on the FOURTH DAY he decides to create the sun and moon?!
Read it for yourself.
Can anyone explain that logically without adding to the scriptures?
You are stupid
hebrew word meaning "say"
have nothing to do with phisical creation of son and moon

"let there be light" doesn't direct to the moon and sun creation,
only to Reaveal to the whole light Plan of God before His whole creation,

stupid ones and blinds like you are almost 3/4 of whole mankind

2 Tim 3;16 is answer
S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#8 Jan 16, 2013
There's no contradiction, except for what imperfect man has wrought. BECAUSE.... "God is not the author of confusion." 1 Cor. 14:33

Neophytes have difficulty in separating Literal, symbolic, allegoric and figurative language of the Bible. It's that simple......

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#9 Jan 16, 2013
One person will read the bible and get one thing out of it, and another person will read it and get another. I don't think that is because of any lack in the bible. It has to do with the motive of the individual reading it. I am not saying "good motive" or "bad motive" necessarily. I am saying a motive of trying to understand how these things could be, or merely reading to entertain or to know what it says.

sidgi

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#10 Jan 16, 2013
The bible is a collection of books by various authors. It is not the only collection of books on the planet that people insist are inspired and without error.

Of course the bible contradicts itself. This has been pointed out again and again.

But those who depend on the false proofs they cling to for the existence of their many false god(s) have to deny the inconsistencies and claim others don't know how to read the bible right.

There are over 32000 cults of Christianity all claiming to know how to read the bible correctly insisting there are no mistakes if it is read their way.

Each church that does this comes up with different interpretations upon which they build their churches!

Sometimes wars are fought over these differences with both sides insisting they alone are the true church while both sides are clinging to the same collection of books to support their church!

The historical Jesus was a mystic and encouraged us to follow the path that showed him the truth of our existence. Once we have confirmed this truth for ourselves we can see clearly what is inspired directly and what is simply history or vanity press extolling the virtue of various monarchs.

And there is of course the more sinister use of the written word to shape public beliefs to fit the needs of an oppressive empire. The Greek Scriptures are an excellent example of this especially the writings of Paul.

There is one passage in the Hebrew Scriptures that can get us started on the path of the historical Jesus:

Psalm 46:10 (New International Version)

"10 He says, "Be still, and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth."

Is this scripture inspired? Check it out for yourself.

Jesus said to confirm all things. I have confirmed the truth of this scripture and so can you.

But to blindly follow the interpretations of scripture by others you consider experts that know more than you do is the broad and easy path.

The narrow path requires you to progress slowly confirming everything every step of the way!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#11 Jan 16, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
The bible is a collection of books by various authors. It is not the only collection of books on the planet that people insist are inspired and without error.
Of course the bible contradicts itself. This has been pointed out again and again.
But those who depend on the false proofs they cling to for the existence of their many false god(s) have to deny the inconsistencies and claim others don't know how to read the bible right.
There are over 32000 cults of Christianity all claiming to know how to read the bible correctly insisting there are no mistakes if it is read their way.
Each church that does this comes up with different interpretations upon which they build their churches!
Sometimes wars are fought over these differences with both sides insisting they alone are the true church while both sides are clinging to the same collection of books to support their church!
The historical Jesus was a mystic and encouraged us to follow the path that showed him the truth of our existence. Once we have confirmed this truth for ourselves we can see clearly what is inspired directly and what is simply history or vanity press extolling the virtue of various monarchs.
And there is of course the more sinister use of the written word to shape public beliefs to fit the needs of an oppressive empire. The Greek Scriptures are an excellent example of this especially the writings of Paul.
There is one passage in the Hebrew Scriptures that can get us started on the path of the historical Jesus:
Psalm 46:10 (New International Version)
"10 He says, "Be still, and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth."
Is this scripture inspired? Check it out for yourself.
Jesus said to confirm all things. I have confirmed the truth of this scripture and so can you.
But to blindly follow the interpretations of scripture by others you consider experts that know more than you do is the broad and easy path.
The narrow path requires you to progress slowly confirming everything every step of the way!
GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
Who are you?

sidgi

Since: Aug 12

Montréal, Canada

#12 Jan 16, 2013
mm excellent thread. Here's the associate contradictions.Obviously not all of them but a good handful at least.

Granpa has the right idea.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#13 Jan 16, 2013
sidgi wrote:
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Who are you?
sidgi
That's a good question.

Do you ever wonder, if there are an infinite number of people in the Cosmos, how can we give each one a unique name?

When first born a child does not know the name of the parent but the child knows the parent.

And of course once you know the parent you come to know the whole family :)

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#14 Jan 16, 2013
MakesTheTruthHisOwn wrote:
mm excellent thread. Here's the associate contradictions.Obviously not all of them but a good handful at least.
Granpa has the right idea.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
I liked that series of posts you shared. You might like this if you haven't already seen it:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

The author has an interesting sense of humor.

The most hilarious one of all has to be the flying dragons that bite in the book of Mormon!

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#15 Jan 16, 2013
I'm sorry, the word should have been serpents, not dragons in the above post.

"Among many other things, Nephi told his brothers that God straitens murmurers by sending fiery flying serpents to bite and kill them."

1 nephi 176 The Book of Mormon

Since: Jan 12

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#16 Jan 16, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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You are stupid
hebrew word meaning "say"
have nothing to do with phisical creation of son and moon
"let there be light" doesn't direct to the moon and sun creation,
only to Reaveal to the whole light Plan of God before His whole creation,
stupid ones and blinds like you are almost 3/4 of whole mankind
2 Tim 3;16 is answer
Thank you Dr. Shrink for the laughs. A word of advice: Before calling someone stupid through an online post, you should at least spellcheck your response. My 3rd graders can be of assistance if you need a tutor. And when you learn to master the English language, maybe, and I'm being nice saying maybe, you can talk to me intelligently about Hebrew translations.

Back to the topic. Genesis said light came to be on the FIRST DAY. Verse 5 of chapter 1:....Thus evening came, and morning followed-the first day."

Then in verse 16 God creates the "two great lights...the greater one to govern the day, and the lesser one to govern the night. Verse 19 says, "Everything came, and morning followed-the fourth day.

These verses are very explicit in detailing what happened.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#17 Jan 16, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a good question.
Do you ever wonder, if there are an infinite number of people in the Cosmos, how can we give each one a unique name?
When first born a child does not know the name of the parent but the child knows the parent.
And of course once you know the parent you come to know the whole family :)
I figure that someone giving all of the advice you are about this particular subject is probably someone very important, or someone very studied in the scriptures. Otherwise, I figure you are just full of hot air, and need to vent it occasionally. You've not validated anything you've said. everyone has an opinion. If yours is that important, perhaps you need to establish a little credibility. Just taking your word for something doesn't seem to fit the bill.

sidgi

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#18 Jan 16, 2013
sidgi wrote:
<quoted text>
I figure that someone giving all of the advice you are about this particular subject is probably someone very important, or someone very studied in the scriptures. Otherwise, I figure you are just full of hot air, and need to vent it occasionally. You've not validated anything you've said. everyone has an opinion. If yours is that important, perhaps you need to establish a little credibility. Just taking your word for something doesn't seem to fit the bill.
sidgi
Since I started posting here on topix four years ago I have constantly tried to emphasis that what I have been saying should not be blindly accepted but rather investigated and confirmed for one's self. I have used scriptures and other evidence that I have posted to support my views. I have never asked anyone to take my word for anything.

You obviously have a hostile feeling towards what I am sharing. Perhaps you don't even want to think about it as it conflicts with who you think you are.

So you attack me. But if you had anything intelligent to say about any of my posts either for or against, you would have said so instead of trying to insult me with your ad homenim attacks.

So go ahead and rant and rave all you want troll, this is all I am going to say to you.

my mouse has a scroll wheel!

have a nice day.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#19 Jan 16, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
Since I started posting here on topix four years ago I have constantly tried to emphasis that what I have been saying should not be blindly accepted but rather investigated and confirmed for one's self. I have used scriptures and other evidence that I have posted to support my views. I have never asked anyone to take my word for anything.
You obviously have a hostile feeling towards what I am sharing. Perhaps you don't even want to think about it as it conflicts with who you think you are.
So you attack me. But if you had anything intelligent to say about any of my posts either for or against, you would have said so instead of trying to insult me with your ad homenim attacks.
So go ahead and rant and rave all you want troll, this is all I am going to say to you.
my mouse has a scroll wheel!
have a nice day.
Any hostility I have toward the approach you've shown, has to do with unsubstantiated opinion. It's as if you choose to believe things are the way you've portrayed them, and that is the end of it. Telling people to investigate for themselves is a cop out, if you don't supply source material. I tend to promote what the bible says. I show, by scripture, that it says what I am asserting it says. I don't promote the bible. If someone cares about the bible, I might point them to where it discusses, or covers, the particular topic they have expressed an interest in. You have set yourself up as an expert on the info you are posting. I am just asking for your bona-fides.

sidgi

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#20 Jan 17, 2013
sidgi wrote:
<quoted text>
Any hostility I have toward the approach you've shown, has to do with unsubstantiated opinion. It's as if you choose to believe things are the way you've portrayed them, and that is the end of it. Telling people to investigate for themselves is a cop out, if you don't supply source material. I tend to promote what the bible says. I show, by scripture, that it says what I am asserting it says. I don't promote the bible. If someone cares about the bible, I might point them to where it discusses, or covers, the particular topic they have expressed an interest in. You have set yourself up as an expert on the info you are posting. I am just asking for your bona-fides.
sidgi
I will extend to you the courtesy of a reply even though I am somewhat reluctant to because of your nastiness.

We are on different paths. You require written confirmation from so called experts of statements that I make concerning the nature of the Cosmos and our place in it.

I keep emphasizing in my posts that the only confirmation possible is to go within yourself. The core of our consciousness is something we all share.

I see this indicated in the few words attributed to the historical Jesus and in the Hebrew Scriptures he used in his ministry. But these words Jesus shared only point the way towards the experiential knowledge of our existence that we all need and need to be confirmed to be useful.

You claim that for me to emphasis introspection is a cop out, I feel to depend on the words of so-called experts is a cop out. The information we need can not be expressed in words!

You can not learn how to ride a bicycle from studying books. You need experiential knowledge to do so. The same holds true for becoming aware of who you are.

As a sage in ancient China once said, "He who knows does not say, he who says does not know"

The proof to substantiate all that I have been saying exists in the deepest level of your being. All you have to do is look.

There is no written source material for the truth of your existence. the few scriptures that slipped by the Romans simply show where we need to look such as Luke 17:21 (King James Version)

"21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

This scripture and a few others Merely point towards the narrow gate that each of us has to eventually enter to find out the truth of our existence.

The historical Jesus was a Mystic. Mysticism has been rejected by mainstream Christianity.

Luke 17:21 points towards the Mystical path along with many other scriptures that point towards the experience I am trying to encourage people to seek such as this passage in Acts 17:28 (New International Version,©2010)

"28 For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, "We are his offspring"

It's clear enough to me what the historical Jesus is pointing towards but that is because I have confirmed it to be true for myself through meditation. It was not clear to me until then.(actually I am simply a beginning mystic and am still working on comprehending fully our foundation in GOD which logically is the first step on the mystical path)

To ask me to confirm it by providing written proofs is ridiculous! It can't be done! All any written words can do is point the way!

A map is not your destination!

All I am trying to do is share what I have experienced in order to inspire others to do the same. Logically If I can do it so can others.

I admit I spend a lot of time pointing out the errors in the various sects of patriarchal hierarchical Christianity here on topix but that is simply to help people see that they don't know. If people think they do know when they don't they are stuck and will not progress spiritually until they recognize their error.

IT is important that we come together spiritually as a family.

If you feel that is hot air, fine! Go about your business and ignore my posts.

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