Jesus was disintegrated
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Freedom

Kansas City, MO

#1 Dec 3, 2013
Jesus was disintegrated watchtower style.

The watchtower online teach The body of Jesus was disintegrated.

c/p from the watch tower

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000783...

The physical body of Jesus Christ was not allowed to decay into dust as did the bodies of Moses and David, men who were used to foreshadow Christ.(De 34:5, 6; Ac 13:35, 36; 2:27, 31) When his disciples went to the tomb early on the first day of the week, Jesus’ body had disappeared, and the bandages with which his body had been wrapped were left in the tomb, his body doubtless having been disintegrated without passing through the process of decaying.

Now the contradiction.

So Michael the archangel is Jesus in his prehuman existence. After his resurrection and return to heaven, Jesus resumed his service as Michael, the chief angel,“to the glory of God the Father.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010250...

This is a far out religion.

The bible does not teach this kind of stuff.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#2 Dec 3, 2013
No Jesus was resurrected

Body soul and spirit.

He told the religious Leaders ' destroy this temple and I will raise it on the third day'

And it tells us he was talking about the TEMPLE OF HIS BODY.

So Jesus does not lie...nor does Jesus mislead

He told his Apostles to feel him, and he told Thomas to put his fingers and feel his wounds in his hands

Jesus is straight forward and tells the truth..he is not a deceiver.

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#3 Dec 3, 2013
little lamb wrote:
No Jesus was resurrected
Body soul and spirit.
He told the religious Leaders ' destroy this temple and I will raise it on the third day'
And it tells us he was talking about the TEMPLE OF HIS BODY.
So Jesus does not lie...nor does Jesus mislead
He told his Apostles to feel him, and he told Thomas to put his fingers and feel his wounds in his hands
Jesus is straight forward and tells the truth..he is not a deceiver.
I just have to ask...who would raise whose body on the third day LL?("Jesus does not lie...nor does Jesus mislead") Could you tell us the answer in light of Acts 2:24, Acts 13:30, and Romans 8:11?

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#4 Dec 4, 2013
This is interesting.

Questions;
If Jesus was Michael before coming in human form, Did the lifeforce of Michael die, or just the human form of Michael die?

Can a witness please explain what happened to Michael when his human form died and disintergrated?

Did Michael shed his human form like the fallen angels did at the time of the Flood?

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#5 Dec 4, 2013
little lamb wrote:
He told the religious Leaders ' destroy this temple and I will raise it on the third day'

And it tells us he was talking about the TEMPLE OF HIS BODY.
Yet the temple of his body is his body of believers the Christian congregation who are individually stones of which Jesus is the chief corner stone together being built into a spiritual temple.
little lamb wrote:
So Jesus does not lie...nor does Jesus mislead
*** Mark 4:11,12 And he said to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the Kingdom of God, but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables, that 'seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest perhaps they should return and be forgiven .'"
art

London, UK

#6 Dec 4, 2013
What difference if Michael is Jesus?,
we will never ever know if Jesus is a spirit. Well is that not what an angel is.
What difference one way or the other or if you call God by any one of his countless monikers.
most people have first names nicknames no de plumes still the same person though.
Depends what the writers decided to call these characters in the tale

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#7 Dec 4, 2013
angelsilv wrote:
This is interesting.
Questions;
If Jesus was Michael before coming in human form, Did the lifeforce of Michael die, or just the human form of Michael die?
Can a witness please explain what happened to Michael when his human form died and disintergrated?
Did Michael shed his human form like the fallen angels did at the time of the Flood?
Micheal and Jesus are two different names for the same person.

So what happened to Jesus happened to Michel.

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#8 Dec 4, 2013
HopeReigns wrote:
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I just have to ask...who would raise whose body on the third day LL?("Jesus does not lie...nor does Jesus mislead") Could you tell us the answer in light of Acts 2:24, Acts 13:30, and Romans 8:11?
God raised Jesus' body on the third day.

Jesus then raised the "temple of his body" the Christian congregation visiting them and opening their minds to the scriptures.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#9 Dec 4, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Yet the temple of his body is his body of believers the Christian congregation who are individually stones of which Jesus is the chief corner stone together being built into a spiritual temple.
<quoted text>
*** Mark 4:11,12 And he said to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the Kingdom of God, but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables, that 'seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest perhaps they should return and be forgiven .'"
2 John [7] " For many deceivers have gone forth into the world , person not confessing Jesus as coming in the flesh, This is the deceiver the anti-christ.'

The phrase ' as coming' is present tense....doesn't say 'did come.'

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#10 Dec 4, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Micheal and Jesus are two different names for the same person.
So what happened to Jesus happened to Michel.
So what happened at the time of death?

Did michael shed the human form as the angels in the flood?

What happened?

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#11 Dec 4, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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2 John [7] " For many deceivers have gone forth into the world , person not confessing Jesus as coming in the flesh, This is the deceiver the anti-christ.'
The phrase ' as coming' is present tense....doesn't say 'did come.'
Another translation says this:

*** 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Anti-Christ.

Actually the "present participle" is used that does NOT make it very clear as to the time period covered.

However there is a PARALLEL confession at 1 John 4:2 that definitively uses the "perfect participle" meaning the action is COMPLETED in the PAST.

*** 1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

And you should ALSO remember that flash and blood can NOT enter heaven:

*** 1 Cor 15:50 Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

Because heaven is a spirit realm for spirits only.

And that Jesus was raised as a spirit:

*** 1 Cor 15:45 So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

Therefore Jesus is a spirit.

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#12 Dec 4, 2013
angelsilv wrote:
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So what happened at the time of death?
Did michael shed the human form as the angels in the flood?
What happened?
Jesus/Michael was 100% human. He was NOT an angel when he was put to death.

You should read the Bible some time.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#13 Dec 4, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Another translation says this:
*** 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Anti-Christ.
Actually the "present participle" is used that does NOT make it very clear as to the time period covered.
However there is a PARALLEL confession at 1 John 4:2 that definitively uses the "perfect participle" meaning the action is COMPLETED in the PAST.
*** 1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
And you should ALSO remember that flash and blood can NOT enter heaven:
*** 1 Cor 15:50 Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
Because heaven is a spirit realm for spirits only.
And that Jesus was raised as a spirit:
*** 1 Cor 15:45 So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Therefore Jesus is a spirit.
Scripture Says Jesus is a life giving spirit...you presumed to add Jesus is a spirit.

Acts 2 [24]But God resurrected him by loosing the pangs of death. because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it

[25] For David says respecting him." i had Jehovah constantly before my eyes , because he is at my right hand that I may never be shaken

[28] On this account my heart became cheerful and my tongue rejoiced greatly.MOREOVER MY FLESH will reside in HOPE

[27 Because you will not leave my soul in Hades nor allow your loyal one to see corruption.'

Notice even Jesus FLESH will reside in HOPE.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#14 Dec 4, 2013
Flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God...means a person can not literally just walk into it

Because it states " The kingdom of God is within you'

The fact is a spiritual man and a fleshly physical man can exist side by side

1 Corinthians 2:14-15:

The natural man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God,

for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them,

because they are spiritually discerned.

The spiritual man judges all things but is himself to be judged by no one.'

The first man is the physical man

The second man is out of heaven spiritual man
Pat

AOL

#15 Dec 4, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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God raised Jesus' body on the third day.
Jesus then raised the "temple of his body" the Christian congregation visiting them and opening their minds to the scriptures.
WRONG FALSE TEACHER , Jesus said touch me , touch HIM means the same today as then .touch me means touch me it never changed .
Pat

AOL

#16 Dec 4, 2013
The resurrection of Jesus is a fundamental and essential doctrine of Christianity. The resurrection of Jesus is so important that without it Christianity is false. Paul said in 1 Cor. 15:14, "and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain." Three verses later, in verse 17, he again says, "and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins." Though there are many subjects with which Christians may disagree and still be considered Christian, this is not one of them. To deny the resurrection of Jesus is to deny the heart of Christianity itself.
JW ARE NOT CHRISTIANS
"Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews therefore said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body," (John 2:19-21).

Jesus showed them his body and offered them to touch Him which shows he was raised in a physical body a glorified physical body .

Luke 24:39
39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”

Luke 24:42–43
42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish;

43 and He took it and ate it before them

Thomas, who was doubting the resurrection of Christ, said, "Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe," (John 20:25). Later, Jesus appeared to Thomas and said to him, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing," (John 20:27).
The Resurrection is part of the gospel by which we are saved (1 Cor. 15:1-5). We are promised that when we are resurrected our new body will be like Christ's body a glorified physical body .
JESUS is not a liar nor is he a fooler who would deceive his apostles and those who seen him after his resurrection .
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#17 Dec 4, 2013
Pat wrote:
39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Luke 24:42–43
42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish;
43 and He took it and ate it before them
n .
Yes it gets down to believing what Jesus said, rather then the watchtower.

Jesus did say

"See my hands and my feet , that it is I MYSELF."

He is telling them 'see' its me myself, not an apparition, not a body he manifested for their sake...but he himself.

He actually reassured them by saying

" A Spirit does not have flesh and bone , as, just as you behold I HAVE."

"I HAVE.." not " I had,,"

The Watchtower tries to make Jesus a liar.
Pat

AOL

#18 Dec 4, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Yes it gets down to believing what Jesus said, rather then the watchtower.
Jesus did say
"See my hands and my feet , that it is I MYSELF."
He is telling them 'see' its me myself, not an apparition, not a body he manifested for their sake...but he himself.
He actually reassured them by saying
" A Spirit does not have flesh and bone , as, just as you behold I HAVE."
"I HAVE.." not " I had,,"
The Watchtower tries to make Jesus a liar.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I MYSELF IS SAYING it is saying this is me touch me I am real put your hand in my side , look I can eat and drink .I am not a ghost I have flesh and bone . Jesus is no liar the WTS is .
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#19 Dec 4, 2013
HopeReigns wrote:
<quoted text>
I just have to ask...who would raise whose body on the third day LL?("Jesus does not lie...nor does Jesus mislead") Could you tell us the answer in light of Acts 2:24, Acts 13:30, and Romans 8:11?
Acts 2 [24] says God resurrected him

Acts 13 [30] says God raised him up from the dead

Romans 8 [11] answers your question " If now the SPIRIT of him that raised Jesus up from the dead dwells in you , he that raised up Jesus from the dead will also make your MORTAL BODIES alive, through his spirit that resides in you.'

So its the spirit of God that resides in our body the same as it resided in Jesus that raised him up from the dead, isn't it?

We have to have the same spirit as Jesus in us don't we?

and Jesus could say he will raise his body , his temple on the third day..because he tells us

John 10:18

'No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

The Father actually raised him by giving him the 'authority' for him to do it.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#20 Dec 4, 2013
Pat wrote:
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THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I MYSELF IS SAYING it is saying this is me touch me I am real put your hand in my side , look I can eat and drink .I am not a ghost I have flesh and bone . Jesus is no liar the WTS is .
I agree on this...no one gets away with making Jesus out a liar

And i believe 2 John [7] is correct ' that it is the anti-christ that denies Jesus 'as coming' in the flesh...

Because scripture tells us ' that in the last day he has purposed the earth to be judged by a 'man'[ not a spirit] and he has furnished evidence for him to every man by raising him from the dead.

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