Was the Name "Jesus" in the original ...

Was the Name "Jesus" in the original scriptures?

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Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#1 Jan 12, 2009
No, it t'wasn't! Heh!
twotoned

Laurinburg, NC

#3 Jan 12, 2009
Ok then. Now that that's out of the way, would either of you smarty pants mind sharing the name that WAS in the original scriptures and WHY it changed?

I mean - let's make this conversation interesting...... geesh.:-)

THANKS!
adey

Lancing, UK

#4 Jan 12, 2009
It was the jewish or greek word for jesus whats your point,you gonna say see you have no prob calling him jesus,but moan at us for using jehovah which is the english rendition of gods name.
Topsy Crett

Houston, TX

#5 Jan 12, 2009
What is unfair about that Adey?
twotoned

Laurinburg, NC

#6 Jan 12, 2009
adey wrote:
It was the jewish or greek word for jesus whats your point,you gonna say see you have no prob calling him jesus,but moan at us for using jehovah which is the english rendition of gods name.
Actually, no, but that's another angle this discussion could go in. Good point. Thanks for bringing it up.

So which was it in the original scriptures? A Jewish or Greek name?
I'm asking. Mad brought it up, Brass balls replied. But nobody has an answer.
twotoned

Laurinburg, NC

#7 Jan 12, 2009
OMG, Woops!

I'm sorry! My bad. Excuse me...

It's Brass KEYS! seriously, I didn't mean to write that. Should've been Brass Keys. Pardon me.

Since: Jan 07

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#8 Jan 12, 2009
twotoned wrote:
OMG, Woops!
I'm sorry! My bad. Excuse me...
It's Brass KEYS! seriously, I didn't mean to write that. Should've been Brass Keys. Pardon me.
Did you ever read Freud?
lolly

Paignton, UK

#9 Jan 12, 2009
the question is how important is pronounciation,

people say to me well you can't be Prounouncing gods name correctly therefore you shouldn't say it.

and I say Well we no longer pronounce Jesus the way hebrews and greeks did.

Yeshua is the hebrew form

Iesous is apparently the greek form

am I right in saying both these forms were used by bible writers of Jesus's name?

BEcause if that is the case the bible didn't make a big issue of pronouciation.

JHWH is God's name, fact!
lolly

Paignton, UK

#10 Jan 12, 2009
For those that are interested we have only been saying Jesus with a J for the last 500 years.

it's younger than jehovah ^^

Since: Jan 07

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#11 Jan 12, 2009
lolly wrote:
the question is how important is pronounciation,
people say to me well you can't be Prounouncing gods name correctly therefore you shouldn't say it.
and I say Well we no longer pronounce Jesus the way hebrews and greeks did.
Yeshua is the hebrew form
Iesous is apparently the greek form
am I right in saying both these forms were used by bible writers of Jesus's name?
BEcause if that is the case the bible didn't make a big issue of pronouciation.
JHWH is God's name, fact!
That is a very good point. The Greeks pronounced Jesus' name differently to the Hebrews. Just like people say names differently in different languages today.

Pronunciation means nothing.
HaShomer

Fort Myers, FL

#12 Jan 12, 2009
Shalom,

No sense in trying to re-invent the wheel!
I could post a very lengthy explanation, or I can post the page of one of the best studies on Yahushua's name on the internet.
For those that are interested, here it is!

http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html

It's long and the first part of the study is from Acts. If you don't have the time or the patience, go past the verses of Acts to the meat and potatoes of the study.
HaShomer

Fort Myers, FL

#15 Jan 12, 2009
Brass Key wrote:
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JHWH is not a word.
Neither is YHWH.
Jehovah came about due to a translator's error.
Those are facts.
Shalom,

When Moses turned aside in the wilderness of Midyan to see the bush that burned without being consumed God revealed Himself to him and told him His own personal Name. That Name in Hebrew consists of the four letters Yud Heh Vav Heh, and is therefore called the tetragrammaton (four letter writing)
dee

Simpsonville, SC

#16 Jan 12, 2009
twotoned wrote:
OMG, Woops!
I'm sorry! My bad. Excuse me...
It's Brass KEYS! seriously, I didn't mean to write that. Should've been Brass Keys. Pardon me.
VERY FUNNY. I am in pain from laughing. I bet Brass keys is also as he can understand funny when he hears it.
That was some slip.
dee

Simpsonville, SC

#17 Jan 12, 2009
HaShomer wrote:
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Shalom,
When Moses turned aside in the wilderness of Midyan to see the bush that burned without being consumed God revealed Himself to him and told him His own personal Name. That Name in Hebrew consists of the four letters Yud Heh Vav Heh, and is therefore called the tetragrammaton (four letter writing)
Therefore your saying Jehovah is not a legitimate translation.?
What is considered a legitimate translation of jesus' name?
dee

Simpsonville, SC

#19 Jan 12, 2009
Gareth wrote:
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That is a very good point. The Greeks pronounced Jesus' name differently to the Hebrews. Just like people say names differently in different languages today.
Pronunciation means nothing.
Are you talking about translation of a name or the pronunciation ?
adey

Lancing, UK

#21 Jan 13, 2009
the thing is we no jesus name either greek or hebrew,we have never known gods name as all we have ever had to go by is the yhvh this was never a name and to make a name up out of the few letters we have is wrong,the main problem i have with the whole jehovah name thing is we are never told we must use a name for god jesus always used father,when he told us how to pray he used father,when he read from the scriptures at the temple he never used the name in fact the name yahway or jehovah can never be put on jesus lips.In all his ministry he never mentioned the fact that the jews didnt utter the name,he didnt have a problem with it like the jws do,he taught us to be respectfull and call him father as you would if you respected your parents.
HaShomer

Fort Myers, FL

#22 Jan 13, 2009
dee wrote:
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Therefore your saying Jehovah is not a legitimate translation.?
What is considered a legitimate translation of jesus' name?
Shalom dee,

JHVH would not be considered as a legitamate translation, since there is no J in Hebrew.

I don't believe we should ever translate a persons written name, unless of course the individual wants to change his name.

If your written given name is dee, your written name is dee in any language.

You can transliterate a name in order to make it easier to pronounce, but you can never change the written name.
HaShomer

Fort Myers, FL

#23 Jan 13, 2009
Brass Key wrote:
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Shalom to you too.
I disagree, God's name was recorded in Hebrew as four letters BECAUSE they were not allowed to say God's name or write God's name.
I agree with you that God's name was recorded with four letters Y H V H.
But that is not God's name.
And no one on Earth knows God's name.
Only a cult would refer to God Almighty with the phony name "jehovah."
Shalom.
Shalom,

Not so, YHVH's name is written with four consonant letters, not to hide the pronunciation but because like most early Semitic alphabetic writing systems, the alefbet has no vowels.

The Hebrew alphabet consists of 22 letters used for writing the Hebrew language.

To preserve the proper vowel sounds, scholars developed several different sets of vocalisation and diacritical symbols called niqqud (literally applying points)

These points are normally used only for special purposes, such as Biblical books intended for study, in poetry or when teaching the language to children.

Hebrew letters may also be used as numbers!

People who are fluent in the language do not need vowels to read Hebrew, and most things written in Hebrew in Israel are written without vowels.
lolly

Paignton, UK

#24 Jan 13, 2009
HaShomer wrote:
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Shalom,
Not so, YHVH's name is written with four consonant letters, not to hide the pronunciation but because like most early Semitic alphabetic writing systems, the alefbet has no vowels.
The Hebrew alphabet consists of 22 letters used for writing the Hebrew language.
To preserve the proper vowel sounds, scholars developed several different sets of vocalisation and diacritical symbols called niqqud (literally applying points)
These points are normally used only for special purposes, such as Biblical books intended for study, in poetry or when teaching the language to children.
Hebrew letters may also be used as numbers!
People who are fluent in the language do not need vowels to read Hebrew, and most things written in Hebrew in Israel are written without vowels.
shalom hashomer

try and get an anti-witness to accept YHVH is God name is impossible they just don't want it because understanding the truth of deut 6:4 would destroy trinity doctrine.
HaShomer

Fort Myers, FL

#26 Jan 13, 2009
lolly wrote:
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shalom hashomer
try and get an anti-witness to accept YHVH is God name is impossible they just don't want it because understanding the truth of deut 6:4 would destroy trinity doctrine.
Shalom,

Its only written this way over 850 times in the Tanak. Must be important!

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