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What place do the Urantia papers have on a JW discussion board?

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#1 Jul 20, 2012
I guess the only reason someone is here promoting it, is because at one time they were a Jehovah's Witness. Well, the bible contains truth, and if a person just lets it be what it is, they can actually get it's message. It is when someone tries to place their special touch on it, that it gets muddied. There is no making it clearer. it is what it is. If you spend your time trying to understand it by reading and meditating on what it says, instead of forcing your own understanding on it, you'll be further ahead. Now back to the Urantia peddler. If you couldn't hack the bible, why would anyone give you credence in your new endeavor?

sidgi
MakesTheTruthHis Own

Montréal, Canada

#2 Jul 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
I guess the only reason someone is here promoting it, is because at one time they were a Jehovah's Witness. Well, the bible contains truth, and if a person just lets it be what it is, they can actually get it's message. It is when someone tries to place their special touch on it, that it gets muddied. There is no making it clearer. it is what it is. If you spend your time trying to understand it by reading and meditating on what it says, instead of forcing your own understanding on it, you'll be further ahead. Now back to the Urantia peddler. If you couldn't hack the bible, why would anyone give you credence in your new endeavor?
sidgi
Classic Bedouin rhetoric but I thank you for the platform to discuss further the fallacy of the Bible's so called truth.

Lets take the fruits of such a study here for example! One word CONFUSION. This is all you get when it comes to knowing and understanding the truth through a study of your scriptures. Everything about this forum screams disarray and bewilderment.

But when understanding you people an intelligent person won't blame you because they see the common denominator, the Bible. Yes a good hard look at what the Bible teaches and the way it disseminates the so called Truth is all you need when determining how something so simple can be contrived to be so perplexing to so many people here that they have to argue their entire lives for or against a specific doctrinal teaching.

Yes folks this is what you have to look forward to when trying to search for the Truth. You get NOWHERE FAST.

A loving heavenly Father and creator of all the universe never would or could come up with such a blatant disrespect for universal reality than the blaspheme of the heartless, cold, unloving, genocidal, tribal God portrayed in your scriptures?

But now comes the good news! If all this really happened, the heavenly government setup, the Lucifer rebellion, Adam and Eve, The default, The Truth explained through the Sons of God, the Prophets of old, The Son of God coming down to us in the flesh.. All these very real events, if they took place, would and should be given to us through representatives of that heavenly government in word or text that is:
1. EASILY understandable.
2. No contradictions, inconsistencies.
3. Gives it to you straight without all the symbolism and fairytales.
4. Is true to the LOVE of the Father for his children and not a hateful, spiteful, wrathful, jealous, tribal deity whose soul purpose is to sit in heaven and keep track of the sins of his creation to be able to justifiably destroy them at his appointed time.
5. Absolutely NO confusion on any doctrine at all. There is NO place for ambiguity and there is NO excuse for vagueness when expounding the truth about God or any other biblical subject for that matter.

When you sum it all up the Bible fails so absolutely miserably in this regard its unspeakable apparent that is obviously NOT from God. Those wishing it to be are those you see here on the forum beating their heads against the wall. Arguing, squawking, fighting, over their portion of the TRUTH.

Nope, but there is hope for the ardent student yet, as long as they have the courage to disown the past. If you search for such a message, without the primitive stupidity of the theological mess of 3000 years ago, you will find that such a text was given to us. You will find that the heavenly government's plans were NEVER to have humankind in the dark, backbiting for so long as to who had the truth. They lovingly give us as much as we can reasonably accept. The measure of truth that our capacity can handle up until the present day is recorded in the Urantia book. Plain and simple. Nobody that has ever truly read the book is plagued by the same diversionary spirit the bible readers are. All of the strengths of knowing the answers in, clear, concise, words is a great burden lifted from the spiritualists shoulders.

Enjoy yourselves though, its what you want.
MakesTheTruthHis Own

Montréal, Canada

#3 Jul 20, 2012
Classic Bedouin rhetoric but I thank you for the platform to discuss further the fallacy of the Bible's so called truth.

Lets take the fruits of such a study here for example! One word CONFUSION. This is all you get when it comes to knowing and understanding the truth through a study of your scriptures. Everything about this forum screams disarray and bewilderment.

But when understanding you people an intelligent person won't blame you because they see the common denominator, the Bible. Yes a good hard look at what the Bible teaches and the way it disseminates the so called Truth is all you need when determining how something so simple can be contrived to be so perplexing to so many people here that they have to argue their entire lives for or against a specific doctrinal teaching.

Yes folks this is what you have to look forward to when trying to search for the Truth. You get NOWHERE FAST.

A loving heavenly Father and creator of all the universe never would or could come up with such a blatant disrespect for universal reality than the blaspheme of the heartless, cold, unloving, genocidal, tribal God portrayed in your scriptures?

But now comes the good news! If all this really happened, the heavenly government setup, the Lucifer rebellion, Adam and Eve, The default, The Truth explained through the Sons of God, the Prophets of old, The Son of God coming down to us in the flesh.. All these very real events, if they took place, would and should be given to us through representatives of that heavenly government in word or text that is:
1. EASILY understandable.
2. No contradictions, inconsistencies.
3. Gives it to you straight without all the symbolism and fairytales.
4. Is true to the LOVE of the Father for his children and not a hateful, spiteful, wrathful, jealous, tribal deity whose soul purpose is to sit in heaven and keep track of the sins of his creation to be able to justifiably destroy them at his appointed time.
5. Absolutely NO confusion on any doctrine at all. There is NO place for ambiguity and there is NO excuse for vagueness when expounding the truth about God or any other biblical subject for that matter.

When you sum it all up the Bible fails so absolutely miserably in this regard its unspeakable apparent that is obviously NOT from God. Those wishing it to be are those you see here on the forum beating their heads against the wall. Arguing, squawking, fighting, over their portion of the TRUTH.

Nope, but there is hope for the ardent student yet, as long as they have the courage to disown the past. If you search for such a message, without the primitive stupidity of the theological mess of 3000 years ago, you will find that such a text was given to us. You will find that the heavenly government's plans were NEVER to have humankind in the dark, backbiting for so long as to who had the truth. They lovingly give us as much as we can reasonably accept. The measure of truth that our capacity can handle up until the present day is recorded in the Urantia book. Plain and simple. Nobody that has ever truly read the book is plagued by the same diversionary spirit the bible readers are. All of the strengths of knowing the answers in, clear, concise, words is a great burden lifted from the spiritualists shoulders.

Enjoy yourselves though, its what you want.
MakesTheTruthHis Own

Montréal, Canada

#4 Jul 20, 2012
Oh, and to answer the question of the title. The Urantia papers "place" on here is to finally give you people some much needed rest over your squabbling. When you fight over which interpretation is correct I have no problem settling the matter once and for all. The Bible is obviously your issue because 2 separate groups of people can come to 2 completely different conclusions on a doctrine by reading it. SO, its up to me to have to clear the air on your seeming divisional problem.

Isn't it nice to have someone that can show you the DEFINITIVE answer to something when you've wasted your time typing up 300 pages of forum GARBAGE on it in just one post?

I sure wish I had someone like that when I was doing exactly what you are doing right now 4 years ago. I was the exact same way arguing, complaining, fighting like a little child over a precious toy. I was sucking hard on the Bedouin Bottle until I finally said this cannot possibly be right.

My heavenly Father couldn't possibly have written a book so convoluted that 2000+ so called CHRISTIAN religions out there all having different interpretations of its teachings. Of what purpose does that accomplish but to cause divides, strife, war?

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#5 Jul 20, 2012
MakesTheTruthHisOwn wrote:
Oh, and to answer the question of the title. The Urantia papers "place" on here is to finally give you people some much needed rest over your squabbling.

Isn't it nice to have someone that can show you the DEFINITIVE answer to something when you've wasted your time typing up 300 pages of forum GARBAGE on it in just one post?
Isn't that what the WTBTS promised? All we have to do is just believe you. It's just that simple. Where is your bonifides? come on everybody follow me. They'd have to be dumber than a rock.

sidgi
Furchizedek

Paducah, TX

#6 Jul 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
I guess the only reason someone is here promoting it, is because at one time they were a Jehovah's Witness. Well, the bible contains truth, and if a person just lets it be what it is, they can actually get it's message. It is when someone tries to place their special touch on it, that it gets muddied. There is no making it clearer. it is what it is. If you spend your time trying to understand it by reading and meditating on what it says, instead of forcing your own understanding on it, you'll be further ahead. Now back to the Urantia peddler. If you couldn't hack the bible, why would anyone give you credence in your new endeavor?
sidgi
Your religion has people going door to door promoting your religion and yet here you are talking about "someone [who] is here promoting [The Urantia Book]"? And you say the only reason he or she is doing it is because they used to be a Jehovah's Witness? LOL. That's not likely. There is no group any more closed minded than Jehovah's Witnesses. I have never heard of a Jehovah's Witness who ever became a Urantia Book reader/believer. By the way, does anyone have any questions about The Urantia Book? I'd be happy to answer them the best I can, if you do.

“come to Richie,, ”

Since: Nov 10

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#7 Jul 20, 2012
Furchizedek wrote:
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Your religion has people going door to door promoting your religion and yet here you are talking about "someone [who] is here promoting [The Urantia Book]"? And you say the only reason he or she is doing it is because they used to be a Jehovah's Witness? LOL. That's not likely. There is no group any more closed minded than Jehovah's Witnesses. I have never heard of a Jehovah's Witness who ever became a Urantia Book reader/believer. By the way, does anyone have any questions about The Urantia Book? I'd be happy to answer them the best I can, if you do.
LOL!!!!

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#8 Jul 20, 2012
Furchizedek wrote:
<quoted text>I have never heard of a Jehovah's Witness who ever became a Urantia Book reader/believer. By the way, does anyone have any questions about The Urantia Book? I'd be happy to answer them the best I can, if you do.
I have and no of one that comes on here from time to time, Futerman!

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#9 Jul 21, 2012
Furchizedek wrote:
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Your religion has people going door to door promoting your religion and yet here you are talking about "someone [who] is here promoting [The Urantia Book]"? And you say the only reason he or she is doing it is because they used to be a Jehovah's Witness? LOL. That's not likely. There is no group any more closed minded than Jehovah's Witnesses. I have never heard of a Jehovah's Witness who ever became a Urantia Book reader/believer. By the way, does anyone have any questions about The Urantia Book? I'd be happy to answer them the best I can, if you do.
What is the Urantia Book? I dont think I heard of it...

Not all jws are closed minded... I read some of the apocryphal books (in kjv bible) and read Pegan and Christian Creeds by Edward Carpenter...
Rick

Dallas, TX

#10 Jul 21, 2012
The JWs are primed for new revelation in place of the cultish isolated religion it has become. But it will be a while. There was a JW man here in Texas who embraced the teaching of the Urantia Book. His family then shunned him, he was desolate and took a gun to his head. What would Jesus have done, shun him?

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#11 Jul 21, 2012
Open Minded Bible Student wrote:
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What is the Urantia Book? I dont think I heard of it...
Not all jws are closed minded... I read some of the apocryphal books (in kjv bible) and read Pegan and Christian Creeds by Edward Carpenter...
By all means, Wikipedia has unbiased info on the Urantia book. If you believe that the bible is God's word, though, read the beginning of the second post in this thread, and you will glean all you need to know about it, beyond Wiki's acct.

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#12 Jul 21, 2012
Rick wrote:
The JWs are primed for new revelation in place of the cultish isolated religion it has become. But it will be a while. There was a JW man here in Texas who embraced the teaching of the Urantia Book. His family then shunned him, he was desolate and took a gun to his head. What would Jesus have done, shun him?
The urantia book must be full of comfort. I know that anything worthwhile, like that, is worth putting a gun to your head. If you don't mind, even though your post had a happy ending, I find it hard to believe.

sidgi
Rick

Coppell, TX

#13 Jul 21, 2012
Wish it weren't true sidgi. It was about ten years ago, a man called about the UB, he believed it. We became friends, and took him to a local study group meeting. But he was terribly conflicted, he loved his family, realy loved them. He was bothered by the fact he had led his family into the JWs and now he'd found this great new revelation, and he tried to introduce that to them too. But they wouldn't hear of it and over a period of months put him entirely out of their lives. He was truly a nice guy, we all felt like we'd failed miserably when he was alone in motel, drink by bed, took his life.

After that I just want all siblings in Christ be more given to mingle, as we well know he would want. At the same time, I don't think JWs should punish those that seek elsewhere for truth. If JW is a really a great sect, then it shouldn't be afraid of new revelation, at least take a look at the astonishing story of Jesus' life in the UB. It might in some way bring good from an awful and unnecessary tragedy.

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#14 Jul 22, 2012
Rick wrote:
Wish it weren't true sidgi. It was about ten years ago, a man called about the UB, he believed it. We became friends, and took him to a local study group meeting. But he was terribly conflicted, he loved his family, realy loved them. He was bothered by the fact he had led his family into the JWs and now he'd found this great new revelation, and he tried to introduce that to them too. But they wouldn't hear of it and over a period of months put him entirely out of their lives. He was truly a nice guy, we all felt like we'd failed miserably when he was alone in motel, drink by bed, took his life.
After that I just want all siblings in Christ be more given to mingle, as we well know he would want. At the same time, I don't think JWs should punish those that seek elsewhere for truth. If JW is a really a great sect, then it shouldn't be afraid of new revelation, at least take a look at the astonishing story of Jesus' life in the UB. It might in some way bring good from an awful and unnecessary tragedy.
There is nothing "Christ-like" in the Urantia book. Jesus words were written down by his disciples. Some were eye witnesses, some, just close enough that their investigative work wasn't that far removed from his lifetime. The Urantia book was put together in the 1950's by obvious frauds trying to gain some notoriety. Anyone that would swallow that garbage to the extent of taking their own life, would be mentally unbalanced. Either you are a liar, or you've swallowed someone else' lie, or you feel guilty for any contribution you may have made to his demise. Personally, I still believe the 1st choice.

sidgi
Rick

Mesquite, TX

#15 Jul 22, 2012
It should be easy to check, sidgi,

I'll see if there is a link or an obit, and report back. Bob and his family lived just south of Fort Worth. If you have JW friends in the Burleson area5-10 years ago, you can ask around about the Lane family.
Rick

Mesquite, TX

#16 Jul 22, 2012
Robert LAMB was his name, sorry. Still looking.

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#17 Jul 22, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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By all means, Wikipedia has unbiased info on the Urantia book. If you believe that the bible is God's word, though, read the beginning of the second post in this thread, and you will glean all you need to know about it, beyond Wiki's acct.
Thank you sidgi

Since: Jan 12

Kingman, Arizona

#18 Jul 22, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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The urantia book must be full of comfort. I know that anything worthwhile, like that, is worth putting a gun to your head. If you don't mind, even though your post had a happy ending, I find it hard to believe.
sidgi
Probably no bible believing Christian or Jehovah's Witness ever committed suicide before. Ya think? You don't know anything about this poor man's state of mind, and now you're trying to associate The Urantia Book with his suicide. What's wrong with the tentative reason that the poster put forth, that his "family then shunned him, he was desolate." Jehovah's Witnesses do that, don't they? They shun people, isn't that right? What a terrible thing to inflict on anyone. Where did Jesus teach that?

Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Do you Jehovah's Witnesses follow Jesus? Or who? He said, "Follow me."

Since: Jan 12

Kingman, Arizona

#19 Jul 22, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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By all means, Wikipedia has unbiased info on the Urantia book. If you believe that the bible is God's word, though, read the beginning of the second post in this thread, and you will glean all you need to know about it, beyond Wiki's acct.
If you believe the bible is "God's word," then that's that, that's all. How is any of this "God's word"?

Isa 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?(Also 2Ki 18:27)

Num 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

1Sa 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts..., Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

As far as I'm concerned it's BLASPHEMY to associate those verses with all that is Holy. God has nothing to do with such things. Nor do you, really. You're not Jews. Those verses are in the scriptures of the Jewish religion, they were written by Jews (Hebrews) for Jews, not for you. They have nothing to do with you.

If you believe the bible is "God's Word," then just say, "The Urantia Book is false because it's not what I already believe." Case closed. Mind closed.

On the other hand, I will be happy to answer any questions regarding the Wikipedia statement on The Urantia Book. I'll go and look at the second post in this thread now to see what it says.

Since: Jan 12

Kingman, Arizona

#20 Jul 23, 2012
sidgi wrote:
I guess the only reason someone is here promoting it, is because at one time they were a Jehovah's Witness. Well, the bible contains truth, and if a person just lets it be what it is, they can actually get it's message. It is when someone tries to place their special touch on it, that it gets muddied. There is no making it clearer. it is what it is. If you spend your time trying to understand it by reading and meditating on what it says, instead of forcing your own understanding on it, you'll be further ahead. Now back to the Urantia peddler. If you couldn't hack the bible, why would anyone give you credence in your new endeavor?
sidgi
sidgi wrote: "I guess the only reason someone is here promoting it, is because at one time they were a Jehovah's Witness."

Amazing. I read almost the exact same sentence the other day on a Mormon forum. The guy there said the same thing, that the reason someone was promoting The Urantia Book there was because they were probably a disgruntled former Mormon. And how can anyone use the derogatory term, "Urantia peddler" when his own religion goes door to door peddling Jehovah's Witnessism?(What do you call it?)

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