Can Angels Materialize and Dematerial...

Can Angels Materialize and Dematerialize? Is it scriptural?

Created by Knight Templar on Nov 9, 2010

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“Tight lines”

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#1 Nov 9, 2010
I cannot remember the EXACT scripture nor the person so please forgive me.
I think Isiah wrestled with an angel (the angel ended up touching his hip?)

And also, angels assisted Job.

Knight Templar

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#2 Nov 9, 2010
I don't believe anyone is questioning the reality that Angels exist.

But did the Angels MATERIALIZE and DEMATERIALIZE?

Knight Templar

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#3 Nov 9, 2010
HMMMMMMMMM, two people voted yes and one voted no.

I wonder if they were afraid to comment.

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

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#4 Nov 9, 2010
Knight Templar wrote:
HMMMMMMMMM, two people voted yes and one voted no.
I wonder if they were afraid to comment.
I'm also watching this thread closely, to see what is said, not just how the votes go.

Should be interesting...
TPMP 35

Dover, NJ

#5 Nov 9, 2010
Thw wicked angles have no power to materialixe at all. That power was taken away fro them when they returned to heaven after the flood.......They were now in spiritual darkness.

Whether God's APPROVED angles can materialize today. Whether Jehovah sees fit to put that into his purpose today is an intresting question?..... I suppose he has his angles to protect his people or those he wishes to protect or watch over. He is God and can do as he pleases..... Although we are no longer in the age of biblical miracles. Now, we have the bible to fall back on.

Intresting story. I'm sure others might have heard this story. This was repeaetedly told in the assembelies one year whn i was a child.

There were these two sisters one day out in service going door to door. They happened upon thius one door. The householder was a single man who was polanning on inviting them in (this was the 70's) His intention was to do harm to them and rape them. He had doubts to carry out his actions dur to the two well dressed men he saw standing at the gate.

Well, i guess he later became a witness for he was able to later recount this story. The sisters told him some time later in no "uncertain terms" that there were no two men with them. Well, who was those two men?...... everybody came to the conclusion that it must have been angles standing ther protecting these sisters. The sisters did not see the men. The householder did.

It's an amazing story but a most certaintly true one. Had those men not been appeared to the man. Those sisters would have been in serious harms way.

Amazing, huh?

TPMP 35

Knight Templar

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#6 Nov 9, 2010
YAP, it should be interesting...
TPMP 35

Dover, NJ

#7 Nov 9, 2010
Let me also add. Although the WICKED ANGLES can no longer Materialize they still wield a TREMENDOUS amount of power to influence mankind today. Whether through a single person, groups of persons, or world govermnents.

In EVERY SINGLE facet of life. EVERYTHING!

Although they can't materialize into human being form.

TPMP 35
Prime

United States

#8 Nov 9, 2010
TPMP 35 wrote:
Thw wicked angles have no power to materialixe at all. That power was taken away fro them when they returned to heaven after the flood.......They were now in spiritual darkness.
Whether God's APPROVED angles can materialize today. Whether Jehovah sees fit to put that into his purpose today is an intresting question?..... I suppose he has his angles to protect his people or those he wishes to protect or watch over. He is God and can do as he pleases..... Although we are no longer in the age of biblical miracles. Now, we have the bible to fall back on.
Intresting story. I'm sure others might have heard this story. This was repeaetedly told in the assembelies one year whn i was a child.
There were these two sisters one day out in service going door to door. They happened upon thius one door. The householder was a single man who was polanning on inviting them in (this was the 70's) His intention was to do harm to them and rape them. He had doubts to carry out his actions dur to the two well dressed men he saw standing at the gate.
Well, i guess he later became a witness for he was able to later recount this story. The sisters told him some time later in no "uncertain terms" that there were no two men with them. Well, who was those two men?...... everybody came to the conclusion that it must have been angles standing ther protecting these sisters. The sisters did not see the men. The householder did.
It's an amazing story but a most certaintly true one. Had those men not been appeared to the man. Those sisters would have been in serious harms way.
Amazing, huh?
TPMP 35
Are you serious? ROTFLMAO! It's a JW urban legend! I've heard that story at least twenty different ways on this forum alone TPMP! One was that the householder was a serial killer! Please if it were true they would have been parading the JW around like celebrities! It's no more true than the smurf story!
There's a thread on here not sure how far back buts it's titled JW urban legends or myths or it might be smurf story anyway it covers all the stories that were told over the years none of which have any truth to them whatsoever!

“Tight lines”

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#9 Nov 9, 2010
Knight Templar wrote:
I don't believe anyone is questioning the reality that Angels exist.
But did the Angels MATERIALIZE and DEMATERIALIZE?
Well, if the angel and Isiah were physically wrestling, wouldn't he had to have materialized?
TPMP 35

Dover, NJ

#10 Nov 9, 2010
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>Are you serious? ROTFLMAO! It's a JW urban legend! I've heard that story at least twenty different ways on this forum alone TPMP! One was that the householder was a serial killer! Please if it were true they would have been parading the JW around like celebrities! It's no more true than the smurf story!
There's a thread on here not sure how far back buts it's titled JW urban legends or myths or it might be smurf story anyway it covers all the stories that were told over the years none of which have any truth to them whatsoever!
You can believe what you want Prime. I doubt the brother was lying. Stories as you well know get told diffrent as it gets passed own through diffrent ears.

That is why things are WRITTEN doen for posterity.

I heard thius story some years ago from the platform. I believe what i heard.

Plain and simple!

Enjoy your day!

TPMP 35
TPMP 35

Dover, NJ

#11 Nov 9, 2010
Correction: passed down
Prime

United States

#12 Nov 9, 2010
TPMP 35 wrote:
<quoted text> You can believe what you want Prime. I doubt the brother was lying. Stories as you well know get told diffrent as it gets passed own through diffrent ears.
That is why things are WRITTEN doen for posterity.
I heard thius story some years ago from the platform. I believe what i heard.
Plain and simple!
Enjoy your day!
TPMP 35
Ok but wouldn't a story like that be put in an awake magazine or something? You're the first person I ever heard say they heard it from the platform most JW said it was a rumor going around.
TPMP 35

Dover, NJ

#13 Nov 9, 2010
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>Ok but wouldn't a story like that be put in an awake magazine or something? You're the first person I ever heard say they heard it from the platform most JW said it was a rumor going around.
I heard it from the platform. possibly, it could have happened here in the tristate area. Who knows?.... It then could have gome on into the Awake or Watchtower. I have never read any such story in either magazine. Although it doesn't mean it wasn't in there. I was also quite young. Watchtower reding wasn't excatly in my list of things to do at that time....LOL!

In either case....The story is true.

TPMP 35
Prime

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#14 Nov 9, 2010
I believe they can do both!

Luke 1:8-20

8 Once when Zechariah’s division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, 9 he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense. 10 And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside.

11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him:“Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

18 Zechariah asked the angel,“How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years.”

19 The angel said to him,“I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news. 20 And now you will be silent and not able to speak until the day this happens, because you did not believe my words, which will come true at their appointed time.”

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#15 Nov 9, 2010
luke 1:11 mentions an angel appearing to Zacharisas. And in 26-30 speaks of the angel coming to speak to Mary.. And in 29 ( And when she saw him..

Knight Templar

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#16 Nov 9, 2010
florida native wrote:
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Well, if the angel and Isiah were physically wrestling, wouldn't he had to have materialized?
Agreed.

Did the Angel dematerialize?

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#17 Nov 9, 2010
Prime wrote:
I believe they can do both!
Luke 1:8-20
8 Once when Zechariah’s division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, 9 he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense. 10 And when the time for the burning of incense came, all the assembled worshipers were praying outside.
11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him:“Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
18 Zechariah asked the angel,“How can I be sure of this? I am an old man and my wife is well along in years.”
19 The angel said to him,“I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news. 20 And now you will be silent and not able to speak until the day this happens, because you did not believe my words, which will come true at their appointed time.”
Hmm! seems we were both on the same page.:)
daisy

Irvine, CA

#18 Nov 9, 2010
Knight Templar wrote:
I don't believe anyone is questioning the reality that Angels exist.
But did the Angels MATERIALIZE and DEMATERIALIZE?
How many demons do ou have?

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#19 Nov 9, 2010
Faithful angels appear to have that ability and are assigned to use it now and then. Unfaithful angels are only said to have done this during Noah's day after which their materializations are never mentioned again.

(Genesis 6:1-2, 4)

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.… There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

In fact, the book of Jude tells us that these were placed in Tartarus, far from the light of Jehovah and in a bound condition understood to mean restricted from their previous activities.

And the angels which kept not their first state, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.(Jude 1:6)


The Apostle Peter tells us the same:

1 Peter 3:18

3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

“Tight lines”

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#20 Nov 9, 2010
Knight Templar wrote:
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Agreed.
Did the Angel dematerialize?
Well....
I would have to assume so.
Although the Bible does not say either way.

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