UNchained

Maryville, TN

#227 Oct 12, 2012
You are right.

I have seen many many professed "christians" who are against abortion until their little Kristen ends up pregnant because her parents let her go out with a mule instead of making her wait until a thoroughbred shows up at the front door.

The first thing that goes through their minds is "We can't let our friends at church find out. Who knows what they will think of us?"
Kevin 321 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is Jesus alone that will judge us.
Yes, rape and incest are horrible offenses. But all I can think of is how does Jesus view the unborn child? Does a child deserve to die for the sin of a man or woman. Jesus spoke more than once about protecting children. HIS wrath is far greater than gossip at a church or from friends.
Guess it wouldnt be like me if I didnt hit ya with a verse.
Exodus 21:
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
I'm just the paperboy throwing the morning news on your porch.

I have seen it happen in one of the Christian churches I was a member of after I left the JW cult.

I feel that abortion is murder no matter what alibi is presented by those trying to justify it.

Since: Nov 11

East Alton, IL

#228 Oct 13, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
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You typically hear that phrased, "The 'health' of the mother."
The inner quotes are there for a reason.
I whole heartedly agree with you FH...If people put more faith in the will of God than the will of man, there wouldn't be the issue of the 'health of the mother'. A life is a life no matter if it is in the womb or the woman carrying it. If it is the will of God that a mother live through an illness to protect the child, then He will protect her if not then it is God's will that she not make it.

I actually knew a woman years ago who found out she had stage three or four cancer and was four months pregnant and the Dr's told her that her the Chemo or radiation or whatever treatment she was to receive to save her own life would kill the child. She could have had an abortion as an option as well. She opted to forgo treatment and the baby was born fine but she died within weeks of delivering. This is true faith in God.

Did you or others know that a jail sentence of months to years are handed out often for abusing or killing animals yet our government pays for abortions? Now that is a sad state of affairs in this country.

Abortion is wrong on every level and there is no circumstance which can justify it.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#229 Oct 13, 2012
beckyss wrote:
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I get protecting rights of women, but what about the rights of unborn children? Who protects their rights?
There is no such thing as "unborn children"
Are you talking about a fetus, zygote, sperm??
I believe if you believe life begins at conception, then fine.

But, there are way too many unwanted and abused children in our country, and if those same people wasting time harassing women, cared about children whose parents did not want them, they would be taking in foster children or volunteering to help these children.
Not happening.
These protestors are nothing but hypocrites.

This is ONLY about controlling women, nothing else.

Abortion needs to be safe, legal, and rare.
That will only happen with easy access to birth control, which most of these fanatics also oppose.

Jehovah's witnesses have the same pregnancy termination rate of any other group, probably higher because children and motherhood are not valued by the Jehovah's Witness cult.

Go Obama!!
He actually cares about the rights of women, not furthering the rantings of some lunatic like Joseph Smith and his vision of overtaking our country.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Conroe, TX

#230 Oct 13, 2012
hMMMMM wrote:
<quoted text>There is no such thing as "unborn children"
Are you talking about a fetus, zygote, sperm??
I believe if you believe life begins at conception, then fine.

But, there are way too many unwanted and abused children in our country, and if those same people wasting time harassing women, cared about children whose parents did not want them, they would be taking in foster children or volunteering to help these children.
Not happening.
These protestors are nothing but hypocrites.

This is ONLY about controlling women, nothing else.

Abortion needs to be safe, legal, and rare.
That will only happen with easy access to birth control, which most of these fanatics also oppose.

Jehovah's witnesses have the same pregnancy termination rate of any other group, probably higher because children and motherhood are not valued by the Jehovah's Witness cult.

Go Obama!!
He actually cares about the rights of women, not furthering the rantings of some lunatic like Joseph Smith and his vision of overtaking our country.
"Jehovah's witnesses have the same pregnancy termination rate of any other group, probably higher because children and motherhood are not valued by the Jehovah's Witness cult."

The reason you pull statistics out of your ass is because it's you that's had multiple abortions. You however, do not count because you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses and you never were.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#231 Oct 13, 2012
hMMMMM wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as "unborn children"
Are you talking about a fetus, zygote, sperm??
I believe if you believe life begins at conception, then fine.
But, there are way too many unwanted and abused children in our country, and if those same people wasting time harassing women, cared about children whose parents did not want them, they would be taking in foster children or volunteering to help these children.
Not happening.
These protestors are nothing but hypocrites.
This is ONLY about controlling women, nothing else.
Abortion needs to be safe, legal, and rare.
That will only happen with easy access to birth control, which most of these fanatics also oppose.
Jehovah's witnesses have the same pregnancy termination rate of any other group, probably higher because children and motherhood are not valued by the Jehovah's Witness cult.
Go Obama!!
He actually cares about the rights of women, not furthering the rantings of some lunatic like Joseph Smith and his vision of overtaking our country.
There was some stats out not to long ago that showed with access to birth control abortion rates fell considerably.
I don't believe in abortion but I do believe each adult woman must make and be responsible for her own choices and no one should make that choice for her.

Since: Nov 11

East Alton, IL

#232 Oct 14, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> There was some stats out not to long ago that showed with access to birth control abortion rates fell considerably.
I don't believe in abortion but I do believe each adult woman must make and be responsible for her own choices and no one should make that choice for her.
Hi Dee, I also believe that the government has no right to tell a woman what she should or should not do with her body. But as Christians, we are to honor the laws of God first and foremost above the laws and 'rights' of others and abortion is murder. The government should not support such a controversial issue. This is one of those things the bible talks about in the end times when it says that men will view good things as bad and bad things as good... All in the name of civil rights.

Women should and do have free will to make these kinds of choices but an unborn child who demonstrates the ability to sustain life from conception and who is a gift from God whether one chooses to see it as that has no choice in whether it lives or dies.

I truly do see your point about women and the government, but we truly can't forget the rights of the child and how this relates to the laws of God.
Blessings,
Becky

Since: Nov 11

East Alton, IL

#233 Oct 14, 2012
hMMMMM wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as "unborn children"
Are you talking about a fetus, zygote, sperm??
I believe if you believe life begins at conception, then fine.
But, there are way too many unwanted and abused children in our country, and if those same people wasting time harassing women, cared about children whose parents did not want them, they would be taking in foster children or volunteering to help these children.
Not happening.
These protestors are nothing but hypocrites.

Go Obama!!
He actually cares about the rights of women, not furthering the rantings of some lunatic like Joseph Smith and his vision of overtaking our country.
There is no such thing as an unborn child??? you are nuts! Zygote and Fetus are medical terms which denote the developmental stage of a CHILD IN THE UTERUS!
If you plant a seed and you go to dig it up before it has completely reached its full development and only has roots and the beginnings of a stem, does that make it any less a plant? Same as a child, its still a child, just not a fully developed one.

Okay there are unwanted children in our country, you are correct... so lets just kill them all and forget about God's laws right?

And you think Obama is not going to take over our country and make it into a socialist country?... Just wait my friend. You are in for a big surprise if he wins.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#234 Oct 14, 2012
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Dee, I also believe that the government has no right to tell a woman what she should or should not do with her body. But as Christians, we are to honor the laws of God first and foremost above the laws and 'rights' of others and abortion is murder. The government should not support such a controversial issue. This is one of those things the bible talks about in the end times when it says that men will view good things as bad and bad things as good... All in the name of civil rights.
Women should and do have free will to make these kinds of choices but an unborn child who demonstrates the ability to sustain life from conception and who is a gift from God whether one chooses to see it as that has no choice in whether it lives or dies.
I truly do see your point about women and the government, but we truly can't forget the rights of the child and how this relates to the laws of God.
Blessings,
Becky
I am sorry but my government does not tell me whether I should or should not have an abortion. What gov't do you live under ? My gov't says it is you choice and your responsibility to or not to.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#235 Oct 14, 2012
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as an unborn child??? you are nuts! Zygote and Fetus are medical terms which denote the developmental stage of a CHILD IN THE UTERUS!
If you plant a seed and you go to dig it up before it has completely reached its full development and only has roots and the beginnings of a stem, does that make it any less a plant? Same as a child, its still a child, just not a fully developed one.
Okay there are unwanted children in our country, you are correct... so lets just kill them all and forget about God's laws right?
And you think Obama is not going to take over our country and make it into a socialist country?... Just wait my friend. You are in for a big surprise if he wins.
Lets not go overboard.
For goodness sake just how can Obama take over this country? You forget there is a Congress and a Supreme Court not to mention a Constitution and Bill of Rights that he wouldn't get away with fiddling with. There are check and balances in place but some nutty "tea partyites"use scare tactics to push their own agenda that has nothing to do with r/f.
I like your biblical comments but not your politics. To accuse Obama of doing something he hasn't done is unfair and unconscionable. That was something Bush and Chenny tried to do but the previous elections shows they were wrong. They put us in this mess any then blame Obama as he tries to dig us out.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Conroe, TX

#236 Oct 14, 2012
Liberals do take a backwards stance on human life in general.

Anti-death penalty: A murderer has more rights than the victim.

Pro-abortion: A person who's never done anything wrong doesn't have any rights.

This has nothing to do with the idea that "human life doesn't began at conception."

Obama's all for late term abortions which isn't much different than drowning the baby a few month after it's born.

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/03/05/bara...

The physician inserts a long toothed clamp through the woman’s vagina into the uterus. She/he grabs body parts of the fetus at random, breaks them from the body and pulls them out. Finally, the head is crushed and extracted. Finally, the placenta and any remaining parts of the fetus are suctioned from the uterus.

The woman’s cervix is dilated. If necessary, the fetus is rotated until it is facing feet downwards. The surgeon reaches into the uterus and pulls the fetus’ body, with the exception of its head, out of the woman’s body. Surgical scissors are inserted into the base of the fetal skull, and withdrawn. A suction tube is inserted and the fetus’ brains are removed through aspiration. This partially collapses the fetal skull. The fetus is then fully removed from the woman’s body.

Since: Nov 11

East Alton, IL

#237 Oct 14, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Lets not go overboard.
For goodness sake just how can Obama take over this country? You forget there is a Congress and a Supreme Court not to mention a Constitution and Bill of Rights that he wouldn't get away with fiddling with. There are check and balances in place but some nutty "tea partyites"use scare tactics to push their own agenda that has nothing to do with r/f.
I like your biblical comments but not your politics. To accuse Obama of doing something he hasn't done is unfair and unconscionable. That was something Bush and Chenny tried to do but the previous elections shows they were wrong. They put us in this mess any then blame Obama as he tries to dig us out.
Hi Dee,
This is not the place for my political views. I am truly on the fence with many different issues with both candidates.. I am just trying to figure out which is the lesser of two evils. Either one we get is not a good choice for many different reasons and I really don't want to debate this here. I should know sometimes when to just let things roll off my back. I guess I just have a hard time with what I believe to be Obama's religious convictions and I don't believe they are truly Christian at the core. I guess I still just have faith that some politician/president some where down the road will bring true Christian values back to what our government stood for in its infancy and then abortion wouldn't be an issue.
I don't believe I accused Obama of currently doing anything and I certainly wouldn't call a political view unconscionable.. that's pretty harsh... I stated that I believe he will try to turn this country into a socialist country allowing government to control many aspects of our lives if he is re-elected...I hope I am wrong where my concerns for our future with him as our president will be headed. I can't comment on your comment about the tea party because I don't know much about them other than they caused a lot of trouble and at times a menace.

Remember when back alley abortions were a woman's only option? It was solely her free-will and her decision alone. No government involvement what so-ever, except upholding the Christian principles of 'though shalt not murder" which this country was founded on in not making abortions legal. It was up to the woman to make the decision whether or not to kill the child. I know this is going to sound heartless, but there were many women whose uterus were butchered and left them barren or they even died due to unsafe and unsanitary conditions of these abortions and it was sad but unfortunately, some people pay a dear dear price in this life for sin.

I hope we can respectfully agree to disagree on this Dee.

Blessings!

Since: Nov 11

East Alton, IL

#238 Oct 14, 2012
Michael2010 wrote:
Beautifully put Becky, thank you for clarifying for me. I would agree that in the context of the times (lol, even thinking of the torturing of "witches" or heretics, etc).
<quoted text>
Hi Michael, My mom just got this really neat bible. It is called "The Founders Bible". Basically what it is is the bible but it has an authentic collection of writings and governmental meetings notes by our founding fore-fathers who established our constitution, the amendments, bill of rights and laws. It contains actual writings, thoughts, ideas and scripture recorded by these men who wrote our constitution. The writings are included as 'notes' type pages inserted in and among the pages of the bible as references to scripture to show exactly the thought processes they relied upon in developing our constitution and laws and bill of rights around Gods words and will. It is fascinating and intriguing to see the mindset of our fore-fathers. It shows how every aspect of our government was truly developed around the word and will of God. There are actual writings in there of the men who talk about how they don't want to merely honor God's words with their work, but they want to spread and teach God's words in their new system of government. I was only able to look through it for a while but in light of our conversation, I thought you would want to know about this.
Blessings!
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#239 Oct 14, 2012
beckyss wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Dee,
This is not the place for my political views. I am truly on the fence with many different issues with both candidates.. I am just trying to figure out which is the lesser of two evils. Either one we get is not a good choice for many different reasons and I really don't want to debate this here. I should know sometimes when to just let things roll off my back. I guess I just have a hard time with what I believe to be Obama's religious convictions and I don't believe they are truly Christian at the core. I guess I still just have faith that some politician/president some where down the road will bring true Christian values back to what our government stood for in its infancy and then abortion wouldn't be an issue.
I don't believe I accused Obama of currently doing anything and I certainly wouldn't call a political view unconscionable.. that's pretty harsh... I stated that I believe he will try to turn this country into a socialist country allowing government to control many aspects of our lives if he is re-elected...I hope I am wrong where my concerns for our future with him as our president will be headed. I can't comment on your comment about the tea party because I don't know much about them other than they caused a lot of trouble and at times a menace.
Remember when back alley abortions were a woman's only option? It was solely her free-will and her decision alone. No government involvement what so-ever, except upholding the Christian principles of 'though shalt not murder" which this country was founded on in not making abortions legal. It was up to the woman to make the decision whether or not to kill the child. I know this is going to sound heartless, but there were many women whose uterus were butchered and left them barren or they even died due to unsafe and unsanitary conditions of these abortions and it was sad but unfortunately, some people pay a dear dear price in this life for sin.
I hope we can respectfully agree to disagree on this Dee.
Blessings!
Legal abortion still leaves the option with the woman . It is her decision, not Obama's.
I do respect your position and I can even agree with it( as it is a terrible thing to ever be in the position to even contemplate)up to the point of judging someone who is disparate enough to go that route.i'll leave that judging up to Jesus since he is the only one who can read hearts.
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Abortion wouldn't be , or at least less of an issue, if birth control pills where not forbidden by some religions and some parents who think it is a license for pre-martial sex. when pre-marial sex is a forgone conclusion when you look at the abortions.
I agree with you about abortion being a terrible thing but I would rather see them legal than all that evil back alley trading that helps no one least of all the baby.
Blessings to you also, Beckyss., my sister in Jesus.

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Since: Dec 06

whereprettyliesperish.ru

#240 Oct 15, 2012
hMMMMMMWhorrorLyingWelfareMom wrote:
I spoke up when [the perverted elders] came to my house, "counseling" me that my little girl dresses on my skinny little girl body were too "sexy".
[Emphasis added]

Names, or it didn't happen.

“Christmas ONLY for Christians!”

Since: Sep 12

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#241 Oct 15, 2012
Fcuk Head Chandler a sweaty mouth breather wrote:
[Emphasis added]
Names, or it didn't happen.
No one needs to provide names.

We already know the wicked and evil cult is nothing but perverts and pedophiles.

{no frigging emphasis needed}

“HATH UNDERSTANDING? RECKON...”

Since: Dec 06

whereprettyliesperish.ru

#242 Oct 15, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
Liberals do take a backwards stance on human life in general.
Anti-death penalty: A murderer has more rights than the victim.
Pro-abortion: A person who's never done anything wrong doesn't have any rights.
That's because liberals, in general, are deeply disturbed people, whose hatred for those who disagree with them is exceeded only by their own self-hate.

Deep down, every liberal considers humanity - at the very least, humanity outside their own select group - a blight on the planet, nature, etc., a sin against the god they've invented and substituted for the gods of their fore bearers, which they call "Gaia" or "Mother Nature" or some other contrived term.

The lowlife, libeling, sexually perverse piece of JW refuse that refers to itself as "Hmmmm" and "AuroraMom" keeps going on about "control;" she and like minded liberal perverts imagine themselves to be the smartest people in the room, and believe that they alone have the "right" to determine the fate of humanity. Their own self loathing being their primary driving force, they have no problem being soft on violent crime, pro-drugs, pro-suicide, and pro pretty much any form of depravity that results, long term, in lower life expectancy, lower birthrates and lower anything that causes any type of [what they call] "harm" to their beloved earth/mother/god.

Of course they're against capital punishment, because capital punishment actually has the nerve to punish people who engage in behavior they find useful to their ultimate goal - reduction [if not outright eradication] of the human species.

DW: Obama's all for late term abortions which isn't much different than drowning the baby a few month after it's born.

Reply: Obama is just the latest in a long line of democrat stooges; Clint Eastwood hit it out of the park with his portrayal of him as the Commander-in-Abstentia, an empty chair whose only skill is in being a smooth-talking liar. At the end of the day, everything he says is scripted by people who have been at this race-hating business a long time, and who aren't offering you anything but the same poison in a different package.

Don't give the diseased spawn of a Kenyan gigolo and a trailer-park slattern more credit than he deserves.

Since: Sep 12

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#243 Oct 15, 2012
Bite My Jehovah wrote:
<quoted text>
No one needs to provide names.
We already know the wicked and evil cult is nothing but perverts and pedophiles.
{no frigging emphasis needed}
TOOL, you must be a Catholic with inside knowledge of sodomy. You and the POPE.....perhaps? TOOL as you were....

“Christmas ONLY for Christians!”

Since: Sep 12

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#244 Oct 15, 2012
I Love Jehovah wrote:
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TOOL, you must be a Catholic with inside knowledge of sodomy. You and the POPE.....perhaps? TOOL as you were....
Cute, about what I'd expect from a fool that defends Satan's cult, the jehovah's witness.

As far as I'm concerned, the jehovah's witnesses are just a weak, stepchild of another cult, the Catholics.

Without the Catholics, there would be no jehovah.

You fools would just be another group of Catholics like the Jesuits.

The only real difference between Catholics and jehovah's witnesses is that Catholics can read.

Since: Sep 12

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#245 Oct 15, 2012
Bite My Jehovah wrote:
<quoted text>
Cute, about what I'd expect from a fool that defends Satan's cult, the jehovah's witness.
As far as I'm concerned, the jehovah's witnesses are just a weak, stepchild of another cult, the Catholics.
Without the Catholics, there would be no jehovah.
You fools would just be another group of Catholics like the Jesuits.
The only real difference between Catholics and jehovah's witnesses is that Catholics can read.
You must have been visited by one of our Catholic Priests......You must have gained insight into scripture one dark evening....maybe you are a victim....I will pray with you, the Holy Catholic Mother will make you clean....but you already know that don't you......my HOE.......TOOL

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#246 Oct 16, 2012
I Love Jehovah wrote:
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You must have been visited by one of our Catholic Priests......You must have gained insight into scripture one dark evening....maybe you are a victim....I will pray with you, the Holy Catholic Mother will make you clean....but you already know that don't you......my HOE.......TOOL
"OUR" catholic priests?

Say what?

Why would a jw have a catholic priest?

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