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Jan 29, 2012
 
For over 1 year now I have been reading and privately studying the Urantia book in conjunction with the Bible.
Their does appear to be a fair bit of opposition to it in the Christian world and so Jehovah's Witness objection to it here on this forum is no exception.
I however have not completely decided that it contains the truth, but the more I read it the more it seems to make sense to me.
What it does is cut through the misconceptions and falsehoods that have been perpetrated first by the Jewish scribes and then by the corrupt church many years after the early Christian (congregation)or church was formed.
It also ties in with how archeology is today unfolding to the world and also how it does actually fit with what many scientist understand about creation or as many believe (evolution)
In fact as it would appear both conditions are correct.
It is simply that we misunderstand how God does create things that is the problem and why also many scientists are at logger-heads with Christian Creationism today.
The same goes for the Adam an Eve scenario and the flood scenario and so on.
All these stories have their basis in fact, but not the way that it is actually being written in the Bible by the Jewish scribes, it would appear.
The same goes for the life story of Jesus, though the Urantia book is remarkably similar to the writings there as attributed to the apostles but with extra information about his early childhood and his teenage years leading up to when he became a fully grown young man and the start of his ministry at his baptism by John the baptist at the river Jordan.
Also there is extra information of the philosophy of Jesus that is generally not mentioned in the bible but is very revealing as to how he responded to the Greeks and the likes when it came to philosophy and their understanding of scientific concepts in those days.
The book reveals an awesome universe that will simply just leave you flabbergasted and in awe of our universal Father and God who was the cause of all the original Universe to come into being.
Since then, according to the book over 700,000 Creator Sons were created by God the Father, to create more universes inside the master universe that God had created by means of his Eternal Son and the Holy Infinite spirit.
But to start of there is the Grand inhabited universe inside the master universe that includes many uninhabited universes that are still under construction.
Now the Grand Universe contains seven super universes each with slightly different characteristics.
I believe that we are inside the seventh super universe.
Now inside each of these universes there is approximately 100,000 mini universes in each.
I guess this would be the galaxy super clusters that scientists are viewing now with their high magnification telescopes such as the Kepler that are out their in space and also at the observatories here on the ground, especially as I discovered on-line, the high tech one at Antarctica.
Even the Vatican has had a rather large one built so they can get a first hand glimpse of just what is out there in the cosmos.
Anyway in each mini universes there are literally billions of galaxies and in each galaxy many millions of solar system, many of them habitable and yes even inhabited by beings that have been created.
So apparently we do have many neighbors but they are so far away that to cross the vast depths of space would take many years to get there even traveling close to the speed of life.
There are some beings that are capable of surpassing the speed of light and one of these are the seraphs who apparently can travel at around 580,000 miles per sec.
There are another type of being that can travel over 800,000 miles per sec and apparently the mighty Messengers can travel at almost unlimited speed because they are spirits in the real sense of the word and are not hindered by the gravitational and electromagnetic fields of the planetary systems and the galaxies.
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Jan 29, 2012
 
Anyway according to the book there is actually four categories of terrestrial life on the planets.
The super breathers who breathe in a very dense atmosphere such as would be on Venus.
The Mid breathers who live in an atmosphere like ours.
And the Sub-breathers who live either in a very thin atmosphere like that of Mars.
And finally the Non-breathers who can live in an environment like that of the moon, for instance.
I believe that we have neighbors of non-breathers close to us in our solar system somewhere, but the Urantia book does not state where this is.
Anyway this is for starters, because what it reveals about how are universe functions and is administered by God's intelligent creation is truly amazing and humbling to know just how far down the ladder we are in the scheme of things.
Anyway if any of you are interested in researching the pages of this book you can down load it on-line free from http://www.urantia.org/
I am now going to limit my presence here on this forum as of now, because i feel at the moment that it is not profitable spiritually speaking for me to be here and i just simply get frustrated and even angry and I do not like being like that and so God bless you all, and may you all find the real truth that you seek.

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FutureMan,

If your post in this folder link continues to be your view, I think this may explain much of your difficulties.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Regarding the Urantia book.

According to the wiki article, and in a nutshell, the Urantia book is philosophical speculation. I wouldn't compare it with the Bible.

I think the most alarming differences the Urantia book has with the Bible and Christianity are:

Jesus' ransom sacrifice is not considered an atonement for the sins of humanity.

Jesus was born on earth through natural means of conception instead of a virgin birth.

Jesus did not walk on water or perform some of the miracles that are attributed to him in the Bible.

Jesus commissioned twelve women (and later more) as religious teachers, who traveled about with him and his apostles on their preaching missions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book

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Jan 29, 2012
 
Oops. Posted in the wong folder.

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Jan 29, 2012
 
All scripture is inspired of God beneficial for reproving , teaching and setting matters straight...any book that contradicts scripture is suspect..

After all Psalm 17 [4]

"As for the activities of men, by the WORD of your lips I myself have watched against the paths of the robber.."

Its a good thing to know Gods word as it protects us against the ROBBER....

All these false counterfiets ..all come in with their own books..
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I have never heard of this book ,i nice to see such a open mind about other possibilities of our being ..

I am now curious about this book and I too would like more information ...thanx

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Jan 29, 2012
 
I read quite a bit of this last time FM posted, and I agree with Bony, I honestly believe the book is not of God.

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Jan 29, 2012
 
sorry not bony, boni.
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Jan 29, 2012
 
array wrote:
I read quite a bit of this last time FM posted, and I agree with Bony, I honestly believe the book is not of God.
WHAT type of book is this ?
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Jan 29, 2012
 
I cant Stop LAUGHING wrote:
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WHAT type of book is this ?
http://www.urantia.org/
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Jan 29, 2012
 
array wrote:
sorry not bony, boni.
No problem. Seems to be a common typo.

LOL

I was reading another thread where FutureMan mentioned a little bit about this. That's when I recalled what he wrote in this folder he started.
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Jan 30, 2012
 
Boni wrote:
FutureMan,
If your post in this folder link continues to be your view, I think this may explain much of your difficulties.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
Regarding the Urantia book.
According to the wiki article, and in a nutshell, the Urantia book is philosophical speculation. I wouldn't compare it with the Bible.
I think the most alarming differences the Urantia book has with the Bible and Christianity are:
Jesus' ransom sacrifice is not considered an atonement for the sins of humanity.
Jesus was born on earth through natural means of conception instead of a virgin birth.
Jesus did not walk on water or perform some of the miracles that are attributed to him in the Bible.
Jesus commissioned twelve women (and later more) as religious teachers, who traveled about with him and his apostles on their preaching missions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book
Yes I have had a problem with the Ransom concept for sometime now even before I had read the Urantia book.

All the book did was to confirm my suspicions of it being an incorrect doctrine.

What I try and do is look at everything from the point of view of logic and it does not compute with my sense of logic as to how a universal God would operate and also that God himself is called a "God of love" and not a God who would require some type of redemption exercise just to satisfy his sense of justice or to prove a point to the rest of his universe.

And I do not believe that he would require some blood sacrifice to atone for sins, especially a sacrifice of a firstborn as was the Canaanite custom to sacrifice their firstborns to their Gods.

He would not have asked Abraham to be involved in this abhorrent practice as regards his first born Issac, and neither would he practice himself with his own Son, so think about that.

These are practices that he would not condone.

God has unchangeable standards as he does not change from even a variation of a shadow,

So therefore if God abhors this barbaric practice of sacrificing one's first born, do you think that he would ask a human to do something that his own law says not to do?

As his law is universal, would he ask his own Son to come down an provide a human sacrifice to atone for the sins of others?

No I do not believe that he would.

What Jesus did was laid down his own life in behalf of us all, so that we could exercise faith in his quality of love which he showed to all the human race through his dying a horrible death on a stake or a cross (T piece)

God is very patient with his children just like we would be with our own children, don't you think?

Some would say but the Devil was perfect once, or that Adam and Eve were perfect once.

But consider what Jesus said when he was called "good teacher", he replied that only the "Father" is good.

This indicates to me that while these beings did have relative perfection they did not have anywhere near the perfection of God the Father.

Just because your children are relatively perfect does not mean that they cannot err.

If God's children do seriously err, then as a loving Father he will if necessary chastise them but if they are truly sorry for what they did he will forgive them.

What God does do however is allow time for his children to repent even the Devil and his rebellious angels.

That is why God is said to be slow to anger and waits patiently for the sinner to repent.

Of course there does comes a time when God's patience does expire and he has to take action not so much as a punishment but to protect the others and to protect the harmony of his universe.
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Jan 30, 2012
 
little lamb wrote:
All scripture is inspired of God beneficial for reproving , teaching and setting matters straight...any book that contradicts scripture is suspect..
After all Psalm 17 [4]
"As for the activities of men, by the WORD of your lips I myself have watched against the paths of the robber.."
Its a good thing to know Gods word as it protects us against the ROBBER....
All these false counterfiets ..all come in with their own books..
At the time of the apostle Paul writing this, just what scriptures were he referring to when even the gospel had not been written yet?

Neither had the book of Revelation been written and neither was all the books compiled into one book and called the Holy Bible by the corrupted Church.

And here is a question that I have got for you all.

Did the apostle Paul include in his statement of "all scriptures being inspired", the very letter that he was actually writing to Timothy?

Was he so presumptuous to call his own letters an inspired word of God?

That would amount to an anointed one today writing a letter of encouragement and counsel to another person and then turn around and call his own writings inspired.

What do you think?

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Jan 30, 2012
 
if Paul is to believed concerning himself, these are what he is calling inspired of God.

(Acts 28:23-25) 23 They now arranged for a day with him, and they came in greater numbers to him in his lodging place. And he explained the matter to them by bearing thorough witness concerning the kingdom of God and by using persuasion with them concerning Jesus from both the law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some began to believe the things said; others would not believe. 25 So, because they were at disagreement with one another, they began to depart, while Paul made this one comment. . .

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I had to cut your quote to make room for the post as Topix imposes a 4000 character limit. We still have your quote in your post as reference.
FutureMan wrote:
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Yes I have had a problem with the Ransom concept for sometime now even before I had read the Urantia book.

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I'll just deal with your first points as they seem to you and me the more important.

Adam was a perfect man who sinned and lost his life. Mankind is condemned to sin and death. Jesus was a perfect man who did not sin and lost his life. Mankind is freed from that condemnation.

God loved the world. It appears that His Son did this willingly because he loved the world too. Since Satan, during his test of Job implied that no one would serve God out of love for him but only out of selfish gain, God put the best He had, even His own Son, from heaven to lowly earth to the test so Satan can throw everything he had at him, as he did to Job. As Job proved Satan a liar, so did God's Son prove Satan a liar. If mere mortal man can prove that he can serve God out of love for Him and the best and most precious that God has can prove he can serve God out of love for Him, Satan's claims that no creature can serve God out of love for Him was completely busted. Love triumphs.

As you will recall, Abraham sacrifice of his son was symbolic. He didn't actually sacrifice his son, did he? Abraham pictured God. All that Abraham was thinking about up to the moment he was about to offer his son pictured what God felt. You think it was easy for Abraham? It wasn't easy for God either. And think about this ... It also took great faith on Isaac's part too because he didn't have to go along with God's instructions to Abraham. Abraham was an old man while Isaac was a young man. Isaac could have easily overpowered his old father and refused to go along. As we all know, both Abraham and Isaac were stopped the moment they were committed proving to all their devotion. Abraham and Isaac pictured symbolically how far God and His Son were willing to go ... and those where the two that actually went the distance and beyond!

From what I've gleamed about the Urantia book, I wouldn't put it above the Bible nor on par with the Bible. Just on its speculations alone I wouldn't classify it as anything I would stake my life and lifestyle on. People have died in the sure hope and positive message that the Bible provides.

No offence but the Urantia book has a following because people may enjoy its fiction, its speculation, its fantasy. Not unlike followers of other fictional worlds based on their respective works of fiction.

I suggest you shake this off and move on. The Bible is much better than this. And will be better for you too.

Thanks.

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Jan 30, 2012
 
Sounds like an interesting book. Thanks for the info.

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Jan 30, 2012
 
I had started reading it a few years ago and stopped, more so due to lack of time and it is a wee bit intimidating in terms of how large it is (so many pages).

But it does have some interesting concepts; I'll probably pick it up again as I do like to understand different points of view, etc.
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Boni wrote:
I had to cut your quote to make room for the post as Topix imposes a 4000 character limit. We still have your quote in your post as reference.
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I'll just deal with your first points as they seem to you and me the more important.
Adam was a perfect man who sinned and lost his life. Mankind is condemned to sin and death. Jesus was a perfect man who did not sin and lost his life. Mankind is freed from that condemnation.
God loved the world. It appears that His Son did this willingly because he loved the world too. Since Satan, during his test of Job implied that no one would serve God out of love for him but only out of selfish gain, God put the best He had, even His own Son, from heaven to lowly earth to the test so Satan can throw everything he had at him, as he did to Job. As Job proved Satan a liar, so did God's Son prove Satan a liar. If mere mortal man can prove that he can serve God out of love for Him and the best and most precious that God has can prove he can serve God out of love for Him, Satan's claims that no creature can serve God out of love for Him was completely busted. Love triumphs.
As you will recall, Abraham sacrifice of his son was symbolic. He didn't actually sacrifice his son, did he? Abraham pictured God. All that Abraham was thinking about up to the moment he was about to offer his son pictured what God felt. You think it was easy for Abraham? It wasn't easy for God either. And think about this ... It also took great faith on Isaac's part too because he didn't have to go along with God's instructions to Abraham. Abraham was an old man while Isaac was a young man. Isaac could have easily overpowered his old father and refused to go along. As we all know, both Abraham and Isaac were stopped the moment they were committed proving to all their devotion. Abraham and Isaac pictured symbolically how far God and His Son were willing to go ... and those where the two that actually went the distance and beyond!
From what I've gleamed about the Urantia book, I wouldn't put it above the Bible nor on par with the Bible. Just on its speculations alone I wouldn't classify it as anything I would stake my life and lifestyle on. People have died in the sure hope and positive message that the Bible provides.
No offence but the Urantia book has a following because people may enjoy its fiction, its speculation, its fantasy. Not unlike followers of other fictional worlds based on their respective works of fiction.
I suggest you shake this off and move on. The Bible is much better than this. And will be better for you too.
Thanks.
What you have written is exactly how you are conditioned to think and believe, but you really need to look deep down inside of yourself to analyze the truth.

What really is the truth about God and how he would think and act?

Jesus was the expressed image of God.

Look to him to see God.

Do not look at the Jewish concept of God.

Their concept of God is based on fear and exacting obedience.

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