Ray franz, Your view?

“be original :)”

Since: Jan 09

somewhere in england hehe

#467 Jan 4, 2010
oops meant "gareth" lol was just looking up a scripture in book of james and my mind skipped to that name hehehe

Reniaa
Chikikie

Boonton, NJ

#468 Jan 4, 2010
sis you ad hominen attack anything not jw so shut up

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#469 Jan 4, 2010
Reniaa wrote:
more ad hominem attacks on James by you becasue you cannot face his sound scriptorial points?
What sound scriptural points has Gareth expressed to support his accusation that Ray Franz is guilty of deception?
Reniaa wrote:
Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam[by whom?]) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent,
You are profoundly handicapped, aren’t you.

Ad hominem is not simply a belittling of another person, opponent or otherwise.

Ad hominem is an attempt to undermine a person’s argument by casting aspersion on their character or worth. I have NOT DONE THIS, you moron!

To say a person is an idiot is not ad hominem. To say a person’s argument is false BECAUSE they are an idiot is ad hominem. Get it straight!

Get a damn education!

Marvin Shilmer

Since: Aug 07

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#470 Jan 4, 2010
Reniaa wrote:
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more ad hominem attacks on James by you becasue you cannot face his sound scriptorial points?
Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam[by whom?]) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent,
Reniaa
thats not true, all the time, and Gareths scriptures are not always sound, and talk about insulting, he would have to be the most arrogant person on this forum. He insults in a uppity belligerent manner, he pushes the wrong buttons and you call it persecution.

by the way Renaii are you and Gareth living together, just a thought. how would you know he is looking up a scripture in James.

“be original :)”

Since: Jan 09

somewhere in england hehe

#471 Jan 4, 2010
noahsday wrote:
<quoted text>thats not true, all the time, and Gareths scriptures are not always sound, and talk about insulting, he would have to be the most arrogant person on this forum. He insults in a uppity belligerent manner, he pushes the wrong buttons and you call it persecution.
by the way Renaii are you and Gareth living together, just a thought. how would you know he is looking up a scripture in James.
Hi noah,

No lol I was the one looking up the scripture and put "James" instead of "gareth" ^^

I have never met gareth for the record! I just find him like 3w and a few others extremely logical and with sound biblical reasoning skills.

He never insults and may seem confident but why is that a fault?

You want me to be brutally honest?

You and others like stanley sound like envious children shouting verbal abuse at the striaght A kid in the classroom because you can't match him!

I would respect both you and stanley more if you both stopped being abusive and stuck to the topics at hand

Reniaa

“be original :)”

Since: Jan 09

somewhere in england hehe

#472 Jan 4, 2010
and this includes marvin who thinks there is some point to hurling pointless abuse at gareth rather than address the discussion at hand!

Reniaa

Since: Apr 07

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#473 Jan 4, 2010
noahsday wrote:
[Gareth] insults in a uppity belligerent manner,...
I don't find Gareth uppity at all. He demonstrates a lack of self-worth and a lack of personal dignity over and over again. Gareth neither places himself above nor within the fray. He places himself benieth the fray.

Marvin Shilmer
Chikikie

Boonton, NJ

#474 Jan 4, 2010
screw u sis

Since: Nov 09

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#475 Jan 4, 2010
Reniaa wrote:
He never insults and may seem confident but why is that a fault?
Gareth wrote:
O_o Diamond Dove is a Cylon!!
Gareth wrote:
I see your cries for attention are no longer satisfying and so your resorting to even nastier means to try to cause trouble.
One of these days you are going to have to realise you do have a psychological problem that needs addressing.
You are obsessive-compulsive control-freakkie extrordinair.
And I'm not a doctor.
Gareth wrote:
And yours will simply read "NUTS".
Gareth wrote:
I'm just not interested in your whiny complaining brain damage.
Gareth wrote:
Imagine Stanley Walker being invisible...
...and whatever planet he's on... will he ever return to earth?
Looks like he did say some bad things.

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#476 Jan 4, 2010
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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I don't find Gareth uppity at all. He demonstrates a lack of self-worth and a lack of personal dignity over and over again. Gareth neither places himself above nor within the fray. He places himself benieth the fray.
Marvin Shilmer
he appears that way to me, as he attempts to try and put himself above others. I defiantly find he thinks he is unaccountable, that is why he never apologizes, and at the same time he does lack self worth, that is why he is trying so hard to be Einstein.
Chikikie

Boonton, NJ

#477 Jan 4, 2010
looks like renny is a liar as well

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#478 Jan 4, 2010
Reniaa wrote:
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Hi noah,
No lol I was the one looking up the scripture and put "James" instead of "gareth" ^^
I have never met gareth for the record! I just find him like 3w and a few others extremely logical and with sound biblical reasoning skills.
He never insults and may seem confident but why is that a fault?
You want me to be brutally honest?
You and others like stanley sound like envious children shouting verbal abuse at the striaght A kid in the classroom because you can't match him!
I would respect both you and stanley more if you both stopped being abusive and stuck to the topics at hand
Reniaa
I see I made a mistake at what I read about reading James, I apologise, if you get encouragment of Gareth fine, I enjoy reading the scriptures folk put up including Gareths but I don't like his double standards, nor his misrepresentation of himself.

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#479 Jan 4, 2010
Reniaa wrote:
and this includes marvin who thinks there is some point to hurling pointless abuse at gareth rather than address the discussion at hand!
Rather than address the discussion at hand?!!!

Are you kidding us, or are you just nuttier than a fruitcake?

Gareth set the discussion of Ray Franz's character by accusing him of deception. Gareth is the one avoiding the subject by REFUSING TO ANSWER for HIS accusation.

Marvin Shilmer, who knows a nut-job from a nut-job on steroids

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#480 Jan 4, 2010
The Real Karen wrote:
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Looks like he did say some bad things.
I *have* said some bad things on occasion but I don't think any of those are among them...

Since: Nov 09

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#481 Jan 4, 2010
Gareth wrote:
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I *have* said some bad things on occasion but I don't think any of those are among them...
Calling people names is not nice. And I still think you are evil.(SO I am not nice either):)
tried and true

Buffalo, NY

#482 Jan 4, 2010
Gareth=James?
Does that mean Reniaa= Sally?
tried and true

Buffalo, NY

#483 Jan 4, 2010
Reniaa wrote:
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more ad hominem attacks on James by you becasue you cannot face his sound scriptorial points?
Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam[by whom?]) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent,
Reniaa
Why are you calling Gareth James?
tried and true

Buffalo, NY

#484 Jan 4, 2010
Sorry for the double post, not sure why it happened.
help save a JW today

United States

#485 Jan 12, 2010
Reniaa wrote:
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Hi noah,
No lol I was the one looking up the scripture and put "James" instead of "gareth" ^^
I have never met gareth for the record! I just find him like 3w and a few others extremely logical and with sound biblical reasoning skills.
He never insults and may seem confident but why is that a fault?
You want me to be brutally honest?
You and others like stanley sound like envious children shouting verbal abuse at the striaght A kid in the classroom because you can't match him!
I would respect both you and stanley more if you both stopped being abusive and stuck to the topics at hand
Reniaa
Stanley can run circles around Gareth.
Gareth can only spout rhetoric from a WTS cdrom.
If it comes down to proving anything he says he can;t do it and has shown that repeatedly!

“be original :)”

Since: Jan 09

somewhere in england hehe

#486 Jan 12, 2010
help save a JW today wrote:
<quoted text>Stanley can run circles around Gareth.
Gareth can only spout rhetoric from a WTS cdrom.
If it comes down to proving anything he says he can;t do it and has shown that repeatedly!
lol you can say it but it doesn't make it true!!

Gareth time and time again embarasses stanley by somply using scripture. It is not us Jws that use wts in these debates, we quote scripture to show our points. and use wts for encouragement towards scripture and clarity of fellowship in these times.

Reniaa

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