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“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

UK

#1 Jul 7, 2012
Stanley Walker wrote:
Just to let you know that I have just found out that my father, Hubert Walker, died yesterday, 1st July. He was 96. My father was a Jehovah’s Witness from 1950 onwards. My mother had cancer at the time and they were drawn into the Witnesses by the fear of Hell Fire and the Watchtower hope of the earthly resurrection. My mother died in 1950.

My father married again in the 1980’s, to a Jehovah’s Witness, but since I came out of the Witnesses I have not been allowed contact with them except for the funeral of my sister, also a Witness, in 2009.

So I am the last of the family.

I am hoping to get an invitation to the funeral.
My father’s funeral is to be held at Preston Crematorium, on Wednesday 11th July at 1:00pm followed by a memorial service at Kingdom Hall, Broughton Tower Way, PR2 9PH, at 2.00pm
http://goo.gl/maps/ThFG

I am invited and have been requested to write up some notes in celebration of his life for presentation at the memorial service. Two of my sons will be there. Both are now ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses and are married to non-Jehovah’s Witnesses.

I have taken next week off work and will be starting the 400 miles journey tomorrow.

I request that the usual culprits refrain from spoiling this thread with their usual star wars antics. They can continue on the link below if they cannot show respect fo the dead.
http://bit.ly/M7UXcR
emmaswish

Westerly, RI

#2 Jul 7, 2012
Glad that you were invited to the services, it will provide you with closure. Both of my parents were cremated, There were no services for my father, he was not any religion, and my mother had a memorial service at the KH. It was held in Florida, and I am in NE, and I was not invited even though it was well known to the congregation down there that my mother had one living child.

It is hard to realize they are gone without some sort of service, I wish there had been some sort of farewell.

My sympathies go out to you, and wish you well.

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

UK

#3 Jul 7, 2012
Thanks for sharing Emma.

I am so sorry to hear that you are without both parents and did not have the opportunity to say farewell.

Does the crematorium have a memorial garden? Somewhere to sit peacefully in the vicinity for a time to reflect? If not, create one yourself by planting a small shrub in an out of the way place in the country somewhere where you had happy memories.

I brought a handful of soil back from my mother's grave and placed it in a special area of my garden at home and planted a wild rose. Sometimes I just sit there and its my way of saying "I still care Mum, you are always in my thoughts."

It helps.

unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#4 Jul 7, 2012
hi mr. walker. please have a safe trip. i am not a jw so i am not familiar with memorials versus funerals. you take care.. and we will be thinking of you as you make this very sad journey.. bless you.. take care.

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

UK

#5 Jul 7, 2012
Your kind thoughts and best wishes received with thanks unlisted
red blood relative

United States

#6 Jul 7, 2012
hi again stanley,

its going to be akward.... please keep your sons next to you and get ready for a sly shunning, while the jws pretend to love you, giving you comfort that he is going to paradise, and hopefully there is time for you to repent and join them.

may god give you strength and wisdom to deal with it all..... dear jesus, please help stanley prepare a nice talk about his father, and everything.

400 miles or kilometers?..... i didn't know that scotland was that big.
TPMP

Bronx, NY

#7 Jul 7, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
hi again stanley,
its going to be akward.... please keep your sons next to you and get ready for a sly shunning, while the jws pretend to love you, giving you comfort that he is going to paradise, and hopefully there is time for you to repent and join them.
may god give you strength and wisdom to deal with it all..... dear jesus, please help stanley prepare a nice talk about his father, and everything.
400 miles or kilometers?..... i didn't know that scotland was that big.
(RBR quote)

"400 miles or kilometers?..... i didn't know that scotland was that big".

(unquote)

Heh "RBR",

I don't think you know much about anything. Do you ever get out?..

Oh, what a classic. I just told you on the "little things" thread that you live under a self imposed rock.

Boy, was i right?

LOL!
emmaswish

Westerly, RI

#8 Jul 7, 2012
Thank you Mr. Walker, I don't know about a memorial garden, but I have ashes from both parents and hopefully will get to scatter them on the Maine seacoast.

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Harrogate, UK

#9 Jul 7, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
hi again stanley,
its going to be akward.... please keep your sons next to you and get ready for a sly shunning, while the jws pretend to love you, giving you comfort that he is going to paradise, and hopefully there is time for you to repent and join them.
may god give you strength and wisdom to deal with it all..... dear jesus, please help stanley prepare a nice talk about his father, and everything.
400 miles or kilometers?..... i didn't know that scotland was that big.
Thanks for the advice rbr

I'm not sure I will be shunned. At my sister's Kingdom Hall funeral it was the opposite. It was a truce for the day and I was love bombed. Hugs, kisses, the lot.

Scotland is 388 road miles diametrically at its longest. But I am travelling 400 miles from Scotland through cross border checks into a foreign country called England :-)

little lamb

Australia

#10 Jul 7, 2012
Sorry Stanley...but you don't play the tune

Jesus was not a sentimentalist and he was pretty straightforward when one of his disciples wanted to bury his Father..

" Keep following me and let the dead bury the dead"

Thats Jesus advice.

There are enough dead people in the hall to bury your dead Father...and to even crave their attention shows a defect....

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#11 Jul 7, 2012
LL, I know what you are saying, but he really needs to have some closure. I didn't have that with my parents, never a farewell, and it is like an unfinished chapter in my life. I didn't think it would matter at the time, but believe me, it does.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#12 Jul 7, 2012
Stanley Walker wrote:
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Thanks for the advice rbr
I'm not sure I will be shunned. At my sister's Kingdom Hall funeral it was the opposite. It was a truce for the day and I was love bombed. Hugs, kisses, the lot.
Scotland is 388 road miles diametrically at its longest. But I am travelling 400 miles from Scotland through cross border checks into a foreign country called England :-)
Hi Stanley, will be hard for you but you are strong and this may help you with some closure, hopefully. It's sad that you had to go through so much but you have a strong faith and no doubt this will carry you through, all the best.

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Harrogate, UK

#13 Jul 7, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Sorry Stanley...but you don't play the tune
Jesus was not a sentimentalist and he was pretty straightforward when one of his disciples wanted to bury his Father..
" Keep following me and let the dead bury the dead"
Thats Jesus advice.
There are enough dead people in the hall to bury your dead Father...and to even crave their attention shows a defect....
Then Jesus said to another,“Follow Me.” But he said,“Lord, let me first go and bury my father.” Jesus said to him,“Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and preach the kingdom of God.” And another also said,“Lord, I will follow You, but let me first go and bid them farewell who are at my house.” But Jesus said to him,“No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.-- Luke 9:59-62

In context, Jesus was exposing professed hypocritical followers who were not believers at all. They were false disciples who invented feeble excuses for not following Jesus.

The pathetic excuse of “Let me first go and bury my father” was an open ended excuse because this hypocrite's father was not even dead, and might not be dead for several decades to come.

I, for my part, have left Jehovah’s Witnesses behind and been following Christ alone for over twenty years. If I had been the false disciple who Jesus reprimanded, as you falsely allege, I would not have done that. To fit the description of Jesus, I would have stayed with Jehovah’s Witnesses, continued to enjoy fellowship with my father and family and, supposedly, followed Christ after my father’s funeral on Wednesday.

As for the false accusation of craving their attention showing a defect in my character, I have not craved attention at all. I was the one approached by them. They have invited me to my father’s funeral. They are seeking my attention and assistance.

For me to refuse an invitation to attend my own father’s funeral, because of our spiritual differences, would not be a good witness for true Christianity. It would be perceived as extremely spiteful and dishonourable to my father.

My Lord Jesus Christ says to me:

“Honour your father and your mother” and “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you.” Matthew 19:19; Luke 6:27

So thank you for your groundless rebuke. May Jehovah bless you.

And, by the way, when did the Lord Jesus appoint you as my Judge?

“He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?”-- James 4:11,12

“Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?”-- Matthew 7:3

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#14 Jul 8, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Sorry Stanley...but you don't play the tune
Jesus was not a sentimentalist and he was pretty straightforward when one of his disciples wanted to bury his Father..
" Keep following me and let the dead bury the dead"
Thats Jesus advice.
There are enough dead people in the hall to bury your dead Father...and to even crave their attention shows a defect....
That was not very Christian of you LL. He is grieving the lost of his father.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#15 Jul 8, 2012
Loss

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#16 Jul 8, 2012
I am very sorry for your loss Stanley. I know it hurts even with all you have gone through because of leaving the JWs. It is still your father and you feel the loss deeply, I am sure.

May our Lord watch over you and Bless you greatly, may He grant peace and an open mind to all at the service.
SOS

Yonkers, NY

#17 Jul 8, 2012
This THREAD IS SELFISH,

WHO GIVES TWO F@CKS ABOUT YOUR FATHER DYING,

PEOPLE DIE EVERYDAY,

SHOULD WE POST IT ON TOPIX FOR ALL TOO SEE?

GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ARSE!
Pat

Morris, IL

#18 Jul 8, 2012
BUT UNDERSTAND this, that in the last days will come (set in) perilous times of great stress and trouble hard to deal with and hard to bear. For people will be lovers of self and utterly self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate greedy desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane. THEY WILL BE WITHOUT NATURAL HUMAN AFFECTION (CALLOUS AND INHUMAN)….(2 Timothy 3:1-3).
AND so we see this lack of natural affection , being tossed at Stanley who just lost his father , tossed by some who do not care .Stanley Jesus cares and He will give you comfort and peace , His peace , because Stanley He loves you very much . God bless you.
SOS

Yonkers, NY

#19 Jul 8, 2012
Pat wrote:
BUT UNDERSTAND this, that in the last days will come (set in) perilous times of great stress and trouble hard to deal with and hard to bear. For people will be lovers of self and utterly self-centered, lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate greedy desire for wealth, proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. They will be abusive (blasphemous, scoffing), disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane. THEY WILL BE WITHOUT NATURAL HUMAN AFFECTION (CALLOUS AND INHUMAN)….(2 Timothy 3:1-3).
AND so we see this lack of natural affection , being tossed at Stanley who just lost his father , tossed by some who do not care .Stanley Jesus cares and He will give you comfort and peace , His peace , because Stanley He loves you very much . God bless you.
I hope your not refering to me,

WHAT I SAY IS REALITY PAT,

ITS NOT "LACK OF NATURAL AFFECTION".

ITS SELFISH TO POST WHEN ONE OF YOUR LOVED ONES HAVE PASSED AWAY.

AND IT'S DISRESPECTFULL TO THEM.

IF EVERYONE DID IT IN THE WORLD ON TOPIX THE INTERNET WOULD SEIZE UP.

“Delivering the Gospel”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#20 Jul 8, 2012
Stanley Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
My father’s funeral is to be held at Preston Crematorium, on Wednesday 11th July at 1:00pm followed by a memorial service at Kingdom Hall, Broughton Tower Way, PR2 9PH, at 2.00pm
http://goo.gl/maps/ThFG
I am invited and have been requested to write up some notes in celebration of his life for presentation at the memorial service. Two of my sons will be there. Both are now ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses and are married to non-Jehovah’s Witnesses.
I have taken next week off work and will be starting the 400 miles journey tomorrow.
I request that the usual culprits refrain from spoiling this thread with their usual star wars antics. They can continue on the link below if they cannot show respect fo the dead.
http://bit.ly/M7UXcR
My sincere condolonces on the loss of your father Stanley.My thoughts and prayer are with you and yours.

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