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Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#284 Sep 15, 2012
joe wrote:
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rachel123: Iis this the way you want me to write it, by change the word understands to believe.
I believe John 10:30 but not the way you seem to believe it.
I believe it in relation to how the word one is use in the book of John, for example .
in John John 17:20,21 NKJV20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
( Here Jesus is talking about the father, he Jesus and his disciples are one.)
John 17:22
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
Is this the way you want it to be said?
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What is your problem Joe?You keep twisting my simple question.
I NEVER asked you to WRITE it,MY way!
I NEVER asked,do you understand it MY way!
I NEVER asked do you believe it in relation to anything!
Here is my simple question again.
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.
Do you believe it Joe ?
What understanding is required Joe?its simple short and to the point.
Six words of Jesus. I,must be the speaker,Jesus?
and MY FATHER,must be God?
ARE ONE,the same?
Disagree Joe? then show what it is in this verse that causes you to "understand" that they are not Joe?
Now regarding this part of your post.
Quote.( Here Jesus is talking about the father, he Jesus and his disciples are one.)
Ref.John 17.
20.Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21.That they all may be one; as thou, Father,[art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
No,Jesus is not "talking " Joe as you put it.He is "praying"not only for his disciples but also for them which shall believe on him through their word.If the disciples were already included in the "one" then there would be no need for Jesus to pray for those that "may".
This verse,spoken to Thomas one of the disciples,according to your reasoning should read," If ye had known me, ye should have known me, my Father and yourself also"
John 14.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Do you believe what Jesus said in verse 9. Joe?
John 14.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Do you think this men't Philip had seen,Jesus,the Father,and the disciples,one of which Philip himself was?
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#285 Sep 15, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
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Six words of Jesus. I,must be the speaker,Jesus?
and MY FATHER,must be God?
ARE ONE,the same?
Disagree Joe? then show what it is in this verse that causes you to "understand" that they are not Joe?
There are many Gods including Satan.

Please re-read John 10: 25-29 30 NkJV 25 Jesus answered them,“I told you, and you do not believe.

The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.

26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.[b]

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

30 I and My Father are one
Question:
(1) Whose work did Jesus did?( See scripture above)

(3)Who gave Jesus the sheep)( See scripture above)

(4)Who is greater that Jesus?( See scripture above)

(5)Can anyone snatch the out of Jesus Father hands the sheep?)( See scripture above)

The Bible is clearly telling that Jesus father is Greater than Jesus.

The heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain the father, but can contain Jesus.

In relation to the father 2 Chronicles 2: 6 NKJV Vs6 But who is able to build Him a temple, since heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him? Who am I then, that I should build Him a temple, except to burn sacrifice before Him?

Who will Jesus hand over the kingdom to?

First Chrinthians 15: 24 -27 .
Who will Jesus subject s him self to?

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#286 Sep 15, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
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What is your problem Joe?You keep twisting my simple question.
I NEVER asked you to WRITE it,MY way!
I NEVER asked,do you understand it MY way!
I NEVER asked do you believe it in relation to anything!
Here is my simple question again.
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.
Do you believe it Joe ?
What understanding is required Joe?its simple short and to the point.
Six words of Jesus. I,must be the speaker,Jesus?
and MY FATHER,must be God?
ARE ONE,the same?
In post 278 I pose some questions clearly show that Jesus and the father are two separate person one is more greater.

There are many gods. Johns 10:34-35.4 Jesus answered them,“Is it not written in your law,‘I said,“You are gods”’?[c]

35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)

Just as my son and I are one we look alike and likes the same things .

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Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#287 Sep 16, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
Ref.John 17.
20.Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21.That they all may be one; as thou, Father,[art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
No,Jesus is not "talking " Joe as you put it.He is "praying"not only for his disciples but also for them which shall believe on him through their word.If the disciples were already included in the "one" then there would be no need for Jesus to pray for those that "may".
Please answer the question, so we can understand each other.

John 17 20,21 Vs 20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e]believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me
Read apically vs. 20; 21.

(1)Who did Jesus praying to in verse 20?

(2)Who is in Jesus?

(3)Who Jesus is in?

(4) Who may be one in us (Jesus and the father and disciples are one ( are they one?) SO many individual are involve, are they all one individual?

(5) Who sent Jesus?

(6)The bottom line how many individual are involve in John 17:20,21?


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Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#288 Sep 16, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
This verse,spoken to Thomas one of the disciples,according to your reasoning should read," If ye had known me, ye should have known me, my Father and yourself also"
John 14.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Do you believe what Jesus said in verse 9. Joe?
John 14.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Do you think this men't Philip had seen,Jesus,the Father,and the disciples,one of which Philip himself was?
Let put John 14 in context. I am just kindly asking you to answer the following Question as per Vs in John Chapter 14, so we can understand each other.

NKJV John 14 “ Vs 1 Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions,

(1)How MANY PERSONS WE MUST BELIEVE IN? Who are they ?

Vs 6 Jesus said to him,“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

(2)CAN ANY ONE BY PASS JESUS AND GO TO THE FATHER?

VS 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My ownauthority; but the Father who dwells in Me

(3)WHOSE WORDS DID JESUS SPEAK?

Vs 15 “If you love Me, keep[d] My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever

(4)WHO JESUS ALWAYS PRAY TO?

VS 23 Jesus answered and said to him,“If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,

(5)HOW MUCH INDIVIDUAL MENTION IN VS 23?

Vs 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

(6)WHO SENT JESUS TO EARTH 2000 YEARS AGO?

Vs 25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,

(7)WHO’S NAME THE FATHER WILL SEND THE HOLY SPIRIT?

VS 28 You have heard Me say to you,‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,[e]‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

(8)WHo IS GREATER JESUS OR THE FATHER?

VS 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do.

(9) Who Jesus love ?

(10) Who Gave Jesus commandment,?

10 Question i am asking you to answer as simple as possible.

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#289 Sep 16, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.
Do you believe it Joe ?
I have already answer the above question in post # 279 Need not answer it again.

I can’t remember you answer any of my questions

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#290 Sep 16, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
Six words of Jesus. I,must be the speaker,Jesus?
and MY FATHER,must be God?
ARE ONE,the same?
The above is your opinion.

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#291 Sep 16, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.
Do you believe it Joe ?
What understanding is required Joe?its simple short and to the point.
Six words of Jesus. I,must be the speaker,Jesus?
and MY FATHER,must be God?
ARE ONE,the same?
The bottom line is ever thing and ever one including Jesus is a part of the father.

Or came from the father, of part of the father, when all things, and every one comes together, there are infect one in relation to the father in perfection.

1 Corinthian 15 :28 Nkjv 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

(At the end the father prove supreme)

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#292 Sep 17, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
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What is your problem Joe?You keep twisting my simple question.
I NEVER asked you to WRITE it,MY way!
I NEVER asked,do you understand it MY way!
I NEVER asked do you believe it in relation to anything!
In post # 283 I am simple asking you a simple question, you do not needs to fall off your rocker , you just could say yes or no , please re-read Post #283
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Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#293 Sep 17, 2012
joe wrote:
<quoted text>There are many Gods including Satan.
Please re-read John 10: 25-29 30 NkJV 25 Jesus answered them,“I told you, and you do not believe.
The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.
26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.[b]
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
30 I and My Father are one
Question:
(1) Whose work did Jesus did?( See scripture above)
(3)Who gave Jesus the sheep)( See scripture above)
(4)Who is greater that Jesus?( See scripture above)
(5)Can anyone snatch the out of Jesus Father hands the sheep?)( See scripture above)
The Bible is clearly telling that Jesus father is Greater than Jesus.
The heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain the father, but can contain Jesus.
In relation to the father 2 Chronicles 2: 6 NKJV Vs6 But who is able to build Him a temple, since heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him? Who am I then, that I should build Him a temple, except to burn sacrifice before Him?
Who will Jesus hand over the kingdom to?
First Chrinthians 15: 24 -27 .
Who will Jesus subject s him self to?
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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.
Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.
Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah
So, you don't believe Jesus when he said ,I and my father are one?

1 Timothy 3.
16. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who does the Bible refer too that was GOD manifest in the flesh.

The watch tower knows who it was,that's why they disobeyed God and changed his Holy Word.

NWT - Jehovah’s Witnesses) Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great:“He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in [the] world, was received up in glory.’

1 John 5.
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Who was the Word Joe,the second part of the one?

John 1.
1.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2.The same was in the beginning with God.
3.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

10.He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11.He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

14.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Do you believe it was Michael the archangel as taught by the watch tower Joe?
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#294 Sep 17, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
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So, you don't believe Jesus when he said ,I and my father are one?
1 Timothy 3.
16. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Who does the Bible refer too that was GOD manifest in the flesh.
I had answer the on my belief in in Jesus and the father are one in Post #in post # 279
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I do not know what translation you are using (rachel123).

While Jesus is referred to as God in your reference scripture , most bible do not use the word god in vs 16 but HE.

You also can read the following scripture in relation to be manifested in the flesh

2 Corinthians 4:11
For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.

1 John 4:9
By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.

Compare 1 Timothy 3.,16 and Colossians 1:26

1 Timothy 3.,16 Vs NKJV 16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was [m]vindicated [n]in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.



Colossians 1:26
VS 26 that is,the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His [ak]saints,27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory

I OF TO RUN, I WILL CONTINUE TOMORROW.

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.

Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#295 Sep 18, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
16. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Who does the Bible refer too that was GOD manifest in the flesh.
The watch tower knows who it was,that's why they disobeyed God and changed his Holy Word.
NWT - Jehovah’s Witnesses) Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great:“He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in [the] world, was received up in glory.’
No bible is perfectly correctly
I am not defending any translation; let us be honest, as every translation has their errors, which seems to have a linage to the religious organization that sponsors that translation.

Let examine the following translation below, which translation would you say is perfectly accurate?

1 Timothy 3.,16 Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.

1 Timothy 3.,16 New International Version (©1984)
Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

1 Timothy 3.,16 new Living Translation (©2007)
Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.

1 Timothy 3.,16 English Standard Version (©2001)
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

1 Timothy 3.,16 New American Standard Bible (©1995)
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

1 Timothy 3.,16 American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

1 Timothy 3.,16 ouay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.

1 Timothy 3.,16 arby Bible Translation
And confessedly the mystery of piety is great. God has been manifested in flesh, has been justified in the Spirit, has appeared to angels, has been preached among the nations, has been believed on in the world, has been received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3.,16 World English Bible

Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.
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Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.
Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#296 Sep 18, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
1 John 5.
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Who was the Word Joe,the second part of the one?
You will not find nowhere in any bible that Jesus is the second part of the one, that your opinion. The father, Jesus, holy spirit are not cut up in parts, but they work as one.

He is part of God as a son, similar, if you have a son that son is part of you, with out he origin before you.

I do not read and understand the it, as you seem to do; I take the whole bible in consideration when reading the bible.

(1)Let’s put 1 John 5:7,8 in context. The chapter started of this way, Vs 1 NKJV. 5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.

(Jesus is born of God which mean the father is before Jesus)

(2)Vs 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Do you believe that Jesus is the son of god?

VS 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth:[b] the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

Did you notice that three entity mention in Vs 7: 8 The Father the word which is Jesus and the holy spirit.

Why they are one ? Vs 8 tells us , BECOUSE THEY AGREE AS ONE.


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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.
Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.
Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#297 Sep 18, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
1.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2.The same was in the beginning with God.
3.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
10.He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11.He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
14.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
NKJV John1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made

(1)It is general knowledge that Jesus is a God.

(2)The word god is just a title just like the word man.

(3)Jesus was/his with God.

(4)Jesus is the word of God .

(5)Jesus Made all things, not create all things, similar as man made many large buildings, with the material that god created.

(6)All things were made through him.

(7)Things can only be made with existing materials.

(8)Made is when one used existing material. Create is when something comes from nothings.

(God use him to made things from materials that he created.

It is general knowledge that the almighty as no beginning,But Jesus had a beginning.

We can’t condemn some of god words to suit one belief.

NKJV Revelation 3:14
[ The Lukewarm Church ]“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:

Proverbs 8:22
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.

Who this scripture is referring to”

(1)Who is the beginning of creation of God?

(2)Who is the true witness?

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.


Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#298 Sep 18, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
Do you believe it was Michael the archangel as taught by the watch tower Joe?
The bible says that Michael is a archangel.

NKJV Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said,“The Lord rebuke you!”

NKJV Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.

NKJV Daniel 10:21
But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth.(No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.
NKJV Daniel 12:1

[ Prophecy of the End Time ]“At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

[ Satan Thrown Out of Heaven ] And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.


Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#299 Sep 20, 2012
Satan had face to face talk with the father or God, therefore he knows God.

Did Satan consider Jesus to be the father or God?

Why did Satan teasing Jesus, if he is a son of God turn stones into bread ?

Matthew 4:3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said,“If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.
Did Satan understand Jesus to be the father or God?

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.
Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.
Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#300 Sep 21, 2012
How is it that Adam was made and at the same time created?

Genesis 1:26 Then God said,“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b]the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

There were more than one persons involve in the making of man.

What was used to make man and where that physical material came from?

Who supply the life force?

Genesis 2:7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Ephesians 3:9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;


Genesis 2:7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Psalm 104:30 You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;

Man was create when the father breath life in man.


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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.
Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.
Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#301 Sep 23, 2012
Proverbs 8:22- 31

NKJV.“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.

( SOME BIBLE USE CREATE OR FORM INSTEAD OF POSSESSED ME)

23 I have been established from everlasting,
From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.

26 While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields,
Or the primal dust of the world.

(WAS ESTABLISH, BEFORE THERE WAS EVER AN EARTH.)

27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there,
When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,
When he prepared the heavens and drew a circle on the face of the deep,

(OR ONE COULD SAY WHEN HE INSTITUTE THE LAWS THAT GOVERN THE HEAVENS AND CIRCLE ON THE FACE OF THE DEEP,

29 When He assigned to the sea its limit, So that the waters would not transgress His command,

(AGAIN THIS IS CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT THE LAWN THAT GOVERN.)

When He marked out the foundations of the earth,

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IT IS THE LAWS THAT GOVERN the earth.

30 Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman;[b]

WHO IS THIS CRAFTSMAN THAT PUT ALL THE ABOVE LAWS IN MOTION?

Vs 31 That person he also delight was with the sons of men.

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.


Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
joe

Kingston, Jamaica

#302 Sep 24, 2012
From the above at Proverbs 8:22-31 clearly indicates that the father made the elements and the laws that govern them, And the craftsman Jesus craft these element into physical existence.

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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.

Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.


Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#303 Sep 25, 2012
joe wrote:
<quoted text>
You will not find nowhere in any bible that Jesus is the second part of the one, that your opinion. The father, Jesus, holy spirit are not cut up in parts, but they work as one.
He is part of God as a son, similar, if you have a son that son is part of you, with out he origin before you.
I do not read and understand the it, as you seem to do; I take the whole bible in consideration when reading the bible.
(1)Let’s put 1 John 5:7,8 in context. The chapter started of this way, Vs 1 NKJV. 5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.
(Jesus is born of God which mean the father is before Jesus)
(2)Vs 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
Do you believe that Jesus is the son of god?
VS 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth:[b] the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
Did you notice that three entity mention in Vs 7: 8 The Father the word which is Jesus and the holy spirit.
Why they are one ? Vs 8 tells us , BECOUSE THEY AGREE AS ONE.
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The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.
Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.
Announcing the good news of God kingdom the territory part of God’s Kingdom, a new heaven, and a new earth”, the only place where God promise, all faithful mankind, where righteousness is to dwell, and in relation to this earth creation. 2 Peter 3:13.. Rev.21:1-4 Matt: 6:10(This old earth will be no more, Isaiah 51: 6. Hebrews 1:10. See LINK www.jehovahtruekingdom.org
Stop twisting Joe, I never said Jesus was the second part of anything,in fact I posted a verse that said he was ONE!
A verse Joe!not my opinion!

1John.5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are "ONE"

Did you see that correctly this time Joe?

Verse 7 deals with heaven.
Verse 8 deals with earth.

1John.5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

So verse 8 does not deal with why?Joe!neither is it for you,me,the cult,or any other mortal to question Gods Holy Word.

John 14.
7. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Says nothing here about because we agree!

8. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Says nothing here either Joe,about because we agree!

I never said I understood it Joe,another false claim of yours.I believe it.

Philippians 4.
7. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

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