What is your problem Joe?You keep twisting my simple question.<quoted text>
rachel123: Iis this the way you want me to write it, by change the word understands to believe.
I believe John 10:30 but not the way you seem to believe it.
I believe it in relation to how the word one is use in the book of John, for example .
in John John 17:20,21 NKJV20 I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
( Here Jesus is talking about the father, he Jesus and his disciples are one.)
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
Is this the way you want it to be said?
The following foot note is not necessary related to topic in discussion.
Type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) you will see wonders how it is possible that the earth to be in the midst of water and out of water or the earth had a heavenly condition 2 Peter 3:5. Psalm 104: 5,6 You also, can consider that the earth atmosphere is a large BUBBLE, IN THE CENTER OF THE BUBBLE ,IS THE PLANET EARTH, type in Google (WATER BUBBLE IN SPACE) and see wonders.
I NEVER asked you to WRITE it,MY way!
I NEVER asked,do you understand it MY way!
I NEVER asked do you believe it in relation to anything!
Here is my simple question again.
30 I and my Father are one.
Do you believe it Joe ?
What understanding is required Joe?its simple short and to the point.
Six words of Jesus. I,must be the speaker,Jesus?
and MY FATHER,must be God?
ARE ONE,the same?
Disagree Joe? then show what it is in this verse that causes you to "understand" that they are not Joe?
Now regarding this part of your post.
Quote.( Here Jesus is talking about the father, he Jesus and his disciples are one.)
20.Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21.That they all may be one; as thou, Father,[art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
No,Jesus is not "talking " Joe as you put it.He is "praying"not only for his disciples but also for them which shall believe on him through their word.If the disciples were already included in the "one" then there would be no need for Jesus to pray for those that "may".
This verse,spoken to Thomas one of the disciples,according to your reasoning should read," If ye had known me, ye should have known me, my Father and yourself also"
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Do you believe what Jesus said in verse 9. Joe?
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Do you think this men't Philip had seen,Jesus,the Father,and the disciples,one of which Philip himself was?