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#83 Jul 4, 2012
hMMMM wrote:
It is very telling that not one Jehovah's witness has shown one iota of concern for the child victims of sexual abuse at the hands of jehovha's witness elders and ministers.'
Not one.
It is no wonder a over 20 million dollar judgement was made against this disgusting cult, is it??
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I agree.. they are so busy with denial and covering for the WTS..that the facts that are placed before them... Are proved by.. their ..very lack of compassion for the victim.. And the whole plainly shows what they have been taught...(Robotic voise) Must protect the Church at ALL cost.) What they tend not to take in to consideration.. Is it is GOD that will point out the errors of their ways..

“thirdwitness.com”

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#84 Jul 4, 2012
Jace is making a big deal about me saying he was removed as an elder. I guess he still thinks he serves as an elder in the congregation of JWs and was never removed.

Let me help Jace out a little as apparently he does not understand the procedures. If a person was an elder and is no longer an elder, they were removed as an elder. You would think a big dog all knowing former elder like Jace would know these things.

Hmmmm, makes you wonder. Perhaps he should do a little name dropping to show us how important he was in the organization and how he was privy to this dastardly sinister evil secret oral only abuse policy to try to convince us. Brother George Couch or Max Friend or how about Grace Dececca, you know, her husband went to jail with Rutherford. Thats some good ones to name.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#86 Jul 4, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
Jace is making a big deal about me saying he was removed as an elder. I guess he still thinks he serves as an elder in the congregation of JWs and was never removed.
Let me help Jace out a little as apparently he does not understand the procedures. If a person was an elder and is no longer an elder, they were removed as an elder. You would think a big dog all knowing former elder like Jace would know these things.
Hmmmm, makes you wonder. Perhaps he should do a little name dropping to show us how important he was in the organization and how he was privy to this dastardly sinister evil secret oral only abuse policy to try to convince us. Brother George Couch or Max Friend or how about Grace Dececca, you know, her husband went to jail with Rutherford. Thats some good ones to name.
YEP

HE IS DIGGING THAT HOLE FOR US

3RDJW

Are you still claiming that my fellow elders removed me due to not being able to understand BOE letters?

This is your claim, i merely quoted your statements

or did i let them know i would no longer be an elder

You do know the difference between the two don;t you

Folks he made the claim I merely asked him about it. dude you painted yourself into a corner

“thirdwitness.com”

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#87 Jul 4, 2012
I am claiming that Jace was removed as an elder and that is a good thing.

It is obvious from his goofy reasoning now and understanding of current policy, he could either not comprehend the policy or his arrogance led him to believe that his policy of telling folks not to go to the authorities was a better one than the true WT policy.

“thirdwitness.com”

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#88 Jul 4, 2012
If Jace displayed the same illogical reasoning and lack of comprehending publications when he was an elder as he does now, then yes he would have been removed for that very reason. Whatever the reason, I'm glad he no longer serves on the body of elders with his arrogance and illogical reasoning.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#89 Jul 4, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
And sure enough here it comes.
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Jace the devulger of the WT's conspiracy. Who is like the amazing Kreskin Jace that knows all these many things?
I believe it was Chandler who said:
"People claim all sorts of things. They claim they know about all sorts of instances of child abuse. They know every detail of what happened. They know who knew about it, they knew when they knew about it, they just know everything. And of course, the subject of all the 'knowing' always got away with it...
This is a variation on an atrocity story- a common tactic used by the so-called 'anti''cult' movement. It doesn't need to be true. It doesn't even need to be verifiable. All that matters is that you cause an emotional reaction in the reader. Get them mad. Get their witchhunt mentality worked up. Get their desire to be 'in the know' worked up. Remember, these people have 'inside information,' they have 'the truth' about 'the truth.' They have knowledge that no one else has,...
It's a great deal of arrogance, born out of the idea that the exJW turned opposer was an oppressed person who was smarter or better than the rest of the JW congregation and they're going to make JWs and their agent the WTS pay for 'keeping them down.'
That isn't to say that some things stated by opposers aren't or can't be true. I'm sure there are stories on 'silent''lambs' that may be true. What I've always said is that they are unverifiable. They are unsubstantiated. They are hearsay. And many of their details are just so outrageous that, sans cognitive dissonance, they cannot be believed without some sort of proof.
But proof is the enemy of the JW opposer. That's why they can make outrageous claims... because they don't expect you to question them or their 'proof.' Of course the proof they present damns them- like the evidence in the Boer case. But they're so arrogant they expect their readers to take their word for it. To ask for proof of the JW opposer is to make yourself 'an apologist troll'..."
This describes Jace to a tee.
IT MUST REALLY bother you to learn that your beloved org will give out instruction on many issues orally

the society has known for years that elders have been discouraging folks to protect the org-

the society creates a culture -

first question asked in so many types of judical cases is who knows about this?????????

image is JW 101

“thirdwitness.com”

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#90 Jul 4, 2012
jace wrote:
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IT MUST REALLY bother you to learn that your beloved org will give out instruction on many issues orally
And of course it is only Jace that knows about these oral instructions.

Must be nice to be able to just say,'that might be what the publications say but there are secret dastardly sinister evil oral instructions given that no one knows about. No proof needed just believe me because I am the all knowing all wise former elder who can drop names like nobodies business.'

Hey Max Friend was that old guy who used to be in all those dramas that played Isaiah or one of them old prophets. He was a movie star or something like that. And don't forget Brother Glass and his part in all the drammas, narrator and such. Yeah, I know some names so believe me I knows what I talking about.

“thirdwitness.com”

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#91 Jul 4, 2012
Hey here's some: Don Karl Joel

“Paradise Earth”

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#92 Jul 4, 2012
jace wrote:
IT MUST REALLY bother you to learn that your beloved org will give out instruction on many issues orally
TRANSLATION:

Jace has no proof whatsoever for his claims.
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#93 Jul 4, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
Jace is making a big deal about me saying he was removed as an elder. I guess he still thinks he serves as an elder in the congregation of JWs and was never removed.
Let me help Jace out a little as apparently he does not understand the procedures. If a person was an elder and is no longer an elder, they were removed as an elder. You would think a big dog all knowing former elder like Jace would know these things.
Hmmmm, makes you wonder.
You are the person who either doesn't understand the procedures or is outright lying.

I prefer to believe that you just don't understand the procedures.

There are thousands of elders who are not removed but step down every year for different reasons.

*** yb80 p. 42 France ***

Brother Russell put Emile Lanz, a Swiss dentist living in Mulhouse, Alsace, in charge of this branch office. Lanz enlisted the services of Alexandre Freytag, who helped with the translating of the French Watch Tower.

So Adolphe Weber, who had faithfully overseen the work in French-speaking Europe from its beginning at the turn of the century, stepped down in favor of the more educated Lanz and Alexandre Freytag.

*** w88 1/15 p. 27 A Convention That Increased Our Trust in Jehovah ***

Powerfully underscoring all these principles was the drama that immediately followed. Entitled Loyal Submission to Jehovah and His Organization, it contained much food for thought as it portrayed how an elder felt compelled to step down because his daughter was exposed as one leading a double life.
UNchained

Sevierville, TN

#94 Jul 4, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
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And of course it is only Jace that knows about these oral instructions.
Must be nice to be able to just say,'that might be what the publications say but there are secret dastardly sinister evil oral instructions given that no one knows about. No proof needed just believe me because I am the all knowing all wise former elder who can drop names like nobodies business.'
Hey Max Friend was that old guy who used to be in all those dramas that played Isaiah or one of them old prophets. He was a movie star or something like that. And don't forget Brother Glass and his part in all the drammas, narrator and such. Yeah, I know some names so believe me I knows what I talking about.
Have you ever attended the Kingdom Minstry School as an elder?

If so, then you would have heard oral instructions delivered from the society through the CO and DO.

Don't try to blow smoke with us, Thirdwitness because some on this board have years of experience in the organisation and know that anyone who disregards the society on such small matters as maintaining websites not sanctioned by the society does not have any privileges in the organisation.

That's a fact.

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#95 Jul 4, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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I think array is looking to join up with the first church that claims they are over run with child molesters. Does NAMBLA have a church?
we are talking about the only religion that claims to be a FDS and goes by the name of Jehovah's witnesses, why bring in other religions, look into your own.

this was in queensland and was a huge problem in the spiritual paradise, in a few circuits.
dee lightful

Pelzer, SC

#96 Jul 4, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
I am claiming that Jace was removed as an elder and that is a good thing.
It is obvious from his goofy reasoning now and understanding of current policy, he could either not comprehend the policy or his arrogance led him to believe that his policy of telling folks not to go to the authorities was a better one than the true WT policy.
How do you KNOW he was removed? I suggest you know no such thing but like all JW's you lie to protect an evil org that should not need to be protect if it had anything to do with truth to begin with.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#97 Jul 4, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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TRANSLATION:
Jace has no proof whatsoever for his claims.
Folks you know it is getting pretty bad when we now have a bible study who is going to exlain how the Service dept works

we can't make this stuff up folks

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#98 Jul 4, 2012
jace wrote:
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Folks you know it is getting pretty bad when we now have a bible study who is going to exlain how the Service dept works
we can't make this stuff up folks
Folks you know it is getting pretty bad when Jace's only argument boils down to "ya jus gotta believe me... ya jus gotta...".

“Paradise Earth”

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#99 Jul 4, 2012
jace wrote:
we can't make this stuff up folks
Jace would LOVE you to take his word for that. But the truth is that they CAN make stuff up and they DO make stuff up.

And yet we have to take them at their word because unfortunately they have not one single shred of evidence to present.

All they have is "he said it... honest he did..."

And you know what? There are people with opinions like Jace who profess to be STILL serving as elders. Where are the recordings of these supposed "secret instruction" that Jace claims are given out?

We have no recordings of "secret instructions" given only by "word of mouth" because they don't exist. The society puts EVERYTHING in writing.

What Jace is selling is seriously smelling.
little lamb

Australia

#100 Jul 4, 2012
It doesn't matter really..because we are under command to love our enemy..and love does not try to pull another persons character down...The fact the ones are doing it , show they are not obeying Jesus...
SOS

Yonkers, NY

#101 Jul 4, 2012
Gareth,

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT WORKS?
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#102 Jul 4, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Folks you know it is getting pretty bad when Jace's only argument boils down to "ya jus gotta believe me... ya jus gotta...".
no you don't have to believe me that the wt gives both oral and written instructions on matters-

just ask any Actual elder who has attended a CO meeting with the elders or KM school

everthing the society does is not always in writing when it comes to the elders- sorry charlie
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#103 Jul 4, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Jace would LOVE you to take his word for that. But the truth is that they CAN make stuff up and they DO make stuff up.
And yet we have to take them at their word because unfortunately they have not one single shred of evidence to present.
All they have is "he said it... honest he did..."
And you know what? There are people with opinions like Jace who profess to be STILL serving as elders. Where are the recordings of these supposed "secret instruction" that Jace claims are given out?
We have no recordings of "secret instructions" given only by "word of mouth" because they don't exist. The society puts EVERYTHING in writing.
What Jace is selling is seriously smelling.
actually what i was referring to "is your comments" we can't make up

you as a bible study explaining what the service desk does

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