Jesus in NOT the mediator of the Grea...

Jesus in NOT the mediator of the Great Crowd???

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forgodsakes

Costa Mesa, CA

#1 Jul 31, 2012
If the Governing Body is not dead yet, and have not proven themselves faithful til dead, how can be called Kings and Priests and mediators of the Great Crowd now??

From the WTS:

"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" pp.10-11

"Is Jesus the "mediator" only for anointed Christians?... So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians." Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31

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~If the Governing Body is not inspired of God, how can they be mediators of Christ?

"The Governing Body consists of a group of anointed Christian men These preside over the worldwide activities of Jehovah's Witnesses. They are not inspired by God and hence are not infallible, but they rely on God's infallible Word as the highest authority on earth." Jehovah's Witnesses - Unitedly Doing God's Will Worldwide p.26

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

"Jehovah's people confess no powers of inspiration today" Watchtower 1952 Apr 15 p.253

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The Bible says:

1 Timothy 2:5,6 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all."

Romans 3:21-30 "But now apart from law God's righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; 22 yes, God's righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. 23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus.... 29 Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also of people of the nations? Yes, of people of the nations also "

1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ"
forgodsakes

Costa Mesa, CA

#2 Jul 31, 2012
And when one prays, one usually ends prayer in the name of Jesus Christ or Chirst Jesus.

Not in the name of the Governing Body or FDS or 144000 or bride of christ ...etc...etc....
baorty

Nashville, TN

#3 Jul 31, 2012
You didn't go to the summer convention.They are our mother. Jehovah's bride.The Governing Body as Mother instructs us of what Jehovah wants and use Jesus as their mediator to feed us at the proper time. We obey the Governing Body and follow their instructions. Their judgement of us is what counts. If you're not in good standing you are going to die. So honor your mother and stop questioning things so things may go well with you.

Or read any history book on the origins of monotheism and walk away from all religion. It's a great life you have now, live it!
forgodsakes

Costa Mesa, CA

#4 Jul 31, 2012
baorty, I had been out for years and had never really investigated. I went out do to depression which I aquired while being a JW.

I only recently investaged because of a family member who started to study....and now in the 21st Century with open eyes and truly investigating, really digging (we didn't have the internet for reference) I AM SHOCKED and SO PISSED OFF because the WTS has devided my household into a total loss of family and mess.

And they have the nerve to call people opposers who question the WTS of fraudulent and blasphemous teachings?

Funny how when Jesus turned of the gambleing tables in the temple and the GB advise JW's not to gamble with her you see them partaking in Hedge Funds.

Check under Investors, lower left....
http://www.hedgefundintelligence.com/Product/...

“The Prince of Peace”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible Belt

#5 Jul 31, 2012
forgodsakes wrote:
Funny how when Jesus turned of the gambleing tables in the temple and the GB advise JW's not to gamble with her you see them partaking in Hedge Funds.
Check under Investors, lower left....
http://www.hedgefundintelligence.com/Product/...
Its not just the gamblers but also the money-changers, sellers, soldiers, profiteers and false prophets that need to be forever driven out of the temple of God which is all inclusive of planet Earth and beyond. That is how dangerous and detrimental those professions are to the well being of mankind is the message that makes perfect sense for God and Jesus to recommend. I cannot think of anything less Christ like then to let Hedge Funds, private banks and Corporations even exist much less be in control of this planet.

I am the man with the all inclusive plan and the free gift that you refer to as the Messiah. I have fought many wars in court with the leaders, religions and judges who rule you and claim to be already like me. How could that be if all humans do is create bad news all day every day. My ways are very different and my works have been miraculous, are you ready to listen to the common sense solutions to all of mankinds problems yet?

“The Prince of Peace”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible Belt

#6 Jul 31, 2012
My name is James some call me Jake, I am the Mediator between God and mankind, listen to me and I will tell you of things you never understood which will permanently resolve all mankinds problems.
forgodsakes

Costa Mesa, CA

#7 Jul 31, 2012
Jake go take your meds........

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#8 Jul 31, 2012
They don't realize that they have become just like the world, followers of men. Nowhere in the Scriptures has Jehovah required his people to put their full confidence in any man.(Ps. 146:3,4; Jer. 17:5; Ro. 3:4)

The GB likes to compare themselves to Moses, and that Jehovah required the people to listen to him and obey him; and most of the brothers in the congregations accept that. But Moses did not picture any governing body. He pictured Jesus, the greater Moses.(Heb. 1:1,2; 3:2-6) In wanting to compare themselves to Moses they have become just like Korah, Dathan and Abiram, who also persuaded others to follow them. But their end will be the same as those earlier rebels.
red blood relative

United States

#9 Jul 31, 2012
forgodsakes wrote:
If the Governing Body is not dead yet, and have not proven themselves faithful til dead, how can be called Kings and Priests and mediators of the Great Crowd now??
From the WTS:
"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" pp.10-11
hey, thats why you need a good ole fashion "FAKE COMING OF JESUS"!.... then you can beat your fellow slaves, and tell them you are appointed to rule over them!!!.....its a neat trick!!!....... if you do enough tricky talk, they can't even tell you talked them out of the blood of jesus, and they go along with the whole charade and put their everlasting life in your hands!!!
is that fun, or what???
aardvark

Blairgowrie, UK

#10 Aug 1, 2012
baorty wrote:
You didn't go to the summer convention.They are our mother. Jehovah's bride.The Governing Body as Mother instructs us of what Jehovah wants and use Jesus as their mediator to feed us at the proper time. We obey the Governing Body and follow their instructions. Their judgement of us is what counts. If you're not in good standing you are going to die. So honor your mother and stop questioning things so things may go well with you.
Or read any history book on the origins of monotheism and walk away from all religion. It's a great life you have now, live it!
So life and death decisions for the great crowd of Jehovah's Witnesses are made by the Governing Body?

Salvation for the great crowd of Jehovah's Witnesses is totally dependant on the Governing Body?

It is a waste of time for anyone today to seek salvation directly from Jesus Christ because that offer has expired, been withdrawn, and the franchise sub-contract handed over to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?

“The Prince of Peace”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible Belt

#11 Aug 1, 2012
array wrote:
They don't realize that they have become just like the world, followers of men. Nowhere in the Scriptures has Jehovah required his people to put their full confidence in any man.(Ps. 146:3,4; Jer. 17:5; Ro. 3:4)
The GB likes to compare themselves to Moses, and that Jehovah required the people to listen to him and obey him; and most of the brothers in the congregations accept that. But Moses did not picture any governing body. He pictured Jesus, the greater Moses.(Heb. 1:1,2; 3:2-6) In wanting to compare themselves to Moses they have become just like Korah, Dathan and Abiram, who also persuaded others to follow them. But their end will be the same as those earlier rebels.
Everywhere in the Bible it asks you to follow and obey the man with the plan and the wake that only the Christ would have. The bloody robe, miracle worker, super star, wonderful counselor is who I am and if you follow me the End and the New begining will be full of joy for everyone.

“The Prince of Peace”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible Belt

#12 Aug 1, 2012
aardvark wrote:
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So life and death decisions for the great crowd of Jehovah's Witnesses are made by the Governing Body?
Salvation for the great crowd of Jehovah's Witnesses is totally dependant on the Governing Body?
It is a waste of time for anyone today to seek salvation directly from Jesus Christ because that offer has expired, been withdrawn, and the franchise sub-contract handed over to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?
I am the Christ and I have not sub contracted to the GB or anyone else. My ways are like nothing you have even discussed before and I have been at war including in court over the matter of the JW's claiming to be already like me which they are not at least 100 times. Just last year I testified to being the Christ in two courts of law while defending my actions that the JW's had me assested for doing.
red blood relative

United States

#14 Aug 1, 2012
funny thing is, "the great crowd" of rev 7;9 all have white robes on, washed in the blood of the lamb, and are handling the priestly duties before the throne of god in heaven, and have been taken from every tribe tongue people and nation.

that is the combined body of christ taken to heaven.....rom 11;25...... it has nothing to do with anyone refusing the blood of christ, and refusing to be christ's brother, or claiming to be part of the second resurrection group.

its the same description in rev 5;9, and 6;11, only its the complete group of jews and gentiles that make up the bride.
forgodsakes

Costa Mesa, CA

#15 Aug 1, 2012
Will be interesting to see how they "Spin" the next New Light......

Red Blood, good scripture!
the great crowd" of rev 7;9 all have white robes on, washed in the blood of the lamb, and are handling the priestly duties before the throne of god in heaven, and have been taken from every tribe tongue people and nation.

Since: Mar 09

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#16 Aug 1, 2012
This subject has been over time and again. Yes, Jesus is our Mediator, by our putting Faith in him.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#17 Aug 2, 2012
Nomi wrote:
This subject has been over time and again. Yes, Jesus is our Mediator, by our putting Faith in him.
Your gb in NY say differently.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#18 Aug 2, 2012
forgodsakes wrote:
If the Governing Body is not dead yet, and have not proven themselves faithful til dead, how can be called Kings and Priests and mediators of the Great Crowd now??
That can't and they aren't and they don't claim to be.

Anti_JW propagandists falsely claim that they do.

As for the Great Crowd, they have Jesus Christ as their High Priest THROUGH whom they approach God.

EVERYONE goes THROUGH Jesus Christ to get to God, the Great Crowd AND the Anointed.

But only the Anointed are in the New Covenant mediated by Jesus for rulership in heaven.

That's all.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#19 Aug 2, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
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Your gb in NY say differently.
Actually its just different uses of the modern English word "mediator". The WT publications are simply talking about Jesus as a mediator for the New Covenant contract with God.

Jesus does a different kind of "mediating" between mankind and God as their High Priest.

Anti-JW propagandists like to equivocate between theses different uses of the word "mediator" to trick people into a false understanding of what Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
little lamb

Australia

#20 Aug 2, 2012
All Christians are anointed the scriptures tells us in 2 Corinthians 1 [21] But he who guarantees that you and we belong to Christ , and he who anointed us is God"

Nowhere in scripture does it tell us anyone who is a Christ-ian is not anointed

Its just a false watchtower teaching that makes separation in the Body of Christ..but Jesus come to make us all ONE with Him and the FATHER

Not TWO as Aneirin preaches..

“The Prince of Peace”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible Belt

#21 Aug 3, 2012
Nomi wrote:
This subject has been over time and again. Yes, Jesus is our Mediator, by our putting Faith in him.
The problem is that you refuse to accept Christ as your leader and continue to follow the lost who claim to be Christ without even knowing me.

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