UNchained

Maryville, TN

#45 Oct 8, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
<quoted text>
Why aren't the parents calling the police?
In most cases it is because the elders convince them not to bring any reproach on Jehovah's name.

“YOUR WT OVERLORD”

Since: Dec 06

Putingrad

#46 Oct 8, 2012
UNchained aka James Robert Evans aka James Roy Evans aka Rick aka WX4QN aka WD4AWO aka SetFree aka John653 aka Honesty aka circuitoverseer aka wasdeceivedonce aka a host of other personas wrote:
In most cases it is because the elders convince them not to bring any reproach on Jehovah's name.
Proof?

Since: Aug 12

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#47 Oct 8, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
In most cases it is because the elders convince them not to bring any reproach on Jehovah's name.
Shame on you for convincing victims not to report. The reproach on Jehovah's name is the perp that brings it, not the victim.

“YOUR WT OVERLORD”

Since: Dec 06

Putingrad

#48 Oct 8, 2012
Yeah, that figures that the mentally diseased, intellectually crippled, factually bereft, lying, libeling ex/antiJW feces on this forum responds not by actually backing up their outrageous claims with tangible proof, but with the childish Topix "Judge it!" icons.

I really expect nothing less, especially from unrepentant adulterers like Bob, who have never made a single comment on this forum that hasn't turned out to be a lie.

“YOUR WT OVERLORD”

Since: Dec 06

Putingrad

#49 Oct 8, 2012
Geeze Louise wrote:
The reproach on Jehovah's name is the perp that brings it, not the victim.
No one on this forum - and, I suspect, in a JW congregation - ever suggested that a legitimate victim did wrong in any way, shape or forum.

Such thinking exists only in the perverted minds of unrepentant adulterers like James R. Evans aka UNchained et al, and the perverted libeler "Hmmmm" aka "AuroraMom" who seem to spend a great deal of time inventing and fantasizing about sick scenarios involving JWs and spreading that sick libel on the Internet. In their diseased minds they believe they're entitled to spread perverse libel because someone, somewhere, sometime LONG ago said something they didn't agree with or in some other way hurt their precious little feelings.

Unfortunately, such mentally diseased, intellectually crippled, factually bereft, lying, libeling individuals possess minds that are so damaged by hate and bigotry that it's all but impossible to have a discussion grounded in the search for objective fact.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

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#50 Oct 8, 2012
much happier now wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it does. It indicates that a child abuser could indeed become an elder, after a considerable period if time has elapsed. It doesn't even define what a "considerable period of time" is. It could be two yeas, five years, who knows? It doesn't matter how much time has elapsed, a child molester will be at risk to repeat his offence for the rest of his life. The fact that he hasn't been caught for a few years means nothing. Most pedophiles molest many victims before they are caught. A pedophile could just wait, keep molesting and then get appointed as an elder, as long as he didn't get caught during this "considerable period of time"
You don't put children at risk, ever.
No it could mean that they might be able to hold a microphone after a considerable amount of time as long as it doesn't effect or stumble the person who was abused and that those who know of the abuse are not effected by his privilege that he may have. If it will stumble the person who was abused they will never become an elder and may never even hold a microphone or read the watchtower.

You hope it means that they might become an elder but this has never been known to happen to a self confessed child molester.

In fact our publications specifically state that he would not qualify for a special position such as an elder or ministerial servant.

"For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service." - Watchtower January 1997 Abhor what is wicked.

This letter is taking the decision making away from elders and giving it to the branch office and service committees which will mean less mess ups and better protection for our kids.

Since: Aug 12

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#51 Oct 8, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
<quoted text>
No one on this forum - and, I suspect, in a JW congregation - ever suggested that a legitimate victim did wrong in any way, shape or forum.
Such thinking exists only in the perverted minds of unrepentant adulterers like James R. Evans aka UNchained et al, and the perverted libeler "Hmmmm" aka "AuroraMom" who seem to spend a great deal of time inventing and fantasizing about sick scenarios involving JWs and spreading that sick libel on the Internet. In their diseased minds they believe they're entitled to spread perverse libel because someone, somewhere, sometime LONG ago said something they didn't agree with or in some other way hurt their precious little feelings.
Unfortunately, such mentally diseased, intellectually crippled, factually bereft, lying, libeling individuals possess minds that are so damaged by hate and bigotry that it's all but impossible to have a discussion grounded in the search for objective fact.
I agree. He and Jace have been exposed for doing that. Hmmmmm is just so far gone mentally, it's best to skip right over what she says. Her mind is so perverted. So many lies are out there on the Internet about JWS. If someone really wanted to know something, a local Kingdom Hall or write to Headquarters for the answer. Never base your decision on something you read on the anti-JWS web sites.

“YOUR WT OVERLORD”

Since: Dec 06

Putingrad

#52 Oct 8, 2012
Geeze Louise wrote:
Hmmmmm is just so far gone mentally, it's best to skip right over what she says.
Skipping over the perversion and drivel of "Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom" is dangerous in the extreme; this is an individual who, in the process of libeling JWs and the JW sect, actually had the audacity to assert [1] that former muslims are treated better by active muslims than exJWs are treated by JWs, which was nothing next to her assertion [2] that JWs are "more depraved than...Muslims."

"Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom" is not just a bigmouthed exJW who is butthurt far out of proportion to anything she actually "suffered" as a JW - the worst thing that perverted sow "suffered" as a JW was about fifteen seconds of personal inconvenience. "Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom," beyond being a foul-minded, perverse libeler, is - as the quotes above illustrate - mentally diseased, and that egregiously so. Such people are DANGEROUS. "The Joker" shooter in Aurora - yuk yuk - and every suicide bomber started off as just some person with a bad attitude and a big mouth. Were this disgusting creature spewing such disgusting and demonstrably false commentary about any other person or group, she would be on a watch list - where she deserves to be.

References:
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[1] From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
HmmmmWhorrorMom wrote:
[C]ults...denigrate former members and brand them all liars. This is not done by...Muslims[.]
[2] From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
HmmmmWhorrorMom wrote:
The Jehovah's Witness cult holds the distinction for being more depraved and perverted than...Muslims[.]
See also:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
TPMP

Bronx, NY

#53 Oct 8, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
<quoted text>
Skipping over the perversion and drivel of "Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom" is dangerous in the extreme; this is an individual who, in the process of libeling JWs and the JW sect, actually had the audacity to assert [1] that former muslims are treated better by active muslims than exJWs are treated by JWs, which was nothing next to her assertion [2] that JWs are "more depraved than...Muslims."
"Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom" is not just a bigmouthed exJW who is butthurt far out of proportion to anything she actually "suffered" as a JW - the worst thing that perverted sow "suffered" as a JW was about fifteen seconds of personal inconvenience. "Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom," beyond being a foul-minded, perverse libeler, is - as the quotes above illustrate - mentally diseased, and that egregiously so. Such people are DANGEROUS. "The Joker" shooter in Aurora - yuk yuk - and every suicide bomber started off as just some person with a bad attitude and a big mouth. Were this disgusting creature spewing such disgusting and demonstrably false commentary about any other person or group, she would be on a watch list - where she deserves to be.
References:
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[1] From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
<quoted text>
[2] From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
<quoted text>
See also:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
Spot on.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#54 Oct 8, 2012
The names of any “remembered” abusers should be kept in strict confidence.

If the elders are approached by a member of the congregation who is experiencing flashbacks or “repressed memories” of child abuse, two of them are usually assigned to help. These elders should kindly encourage the afflicted one to focus for the time being on coping with the emotional distress. The names of any “remembered” abusers should be kept in strict confidence.

The elders’ primary task is to act as shepherds.(Isaiah 32:1, 2; 1 Peter 5:2, 3) They should be especially careful to “clothe [themselves] with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering.”(Colossians 3:12) Let them listen in a kindly way and then apply healing words from the Scriptures.(Proverbs 12:18) Some who are afflicted with painful “memories” have expressed appreciation for elders who make regular visits or even telephone calls to check to see how they are doing. Such contacts need not take a lot of time, but they show that Jehovah’s organization cares. When the afflicted one realizes that his Christian brothers truly love him, he may be helped to recover a considerable degree of emotional balance.

What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way. And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken.(2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19) Even if more than one person “remembers” abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such “memories” are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.
(11/1/95 Watchtower pages 28-29)

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#56 Oct 9, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses are now doing what no other religious organization on the planet is doing, warning congregation members if it's established there is some prior incident of sexual assault. Jehovah's Witnesses are rising to a very high standard on combating child abuse. Marvin Shimler constantly raved about this and the idiots on this forum are still trying incriminate the organization's response to what's a social epidemic. Mandatory reporting laws are explicitly mentioned more than once in this letter. This is hard evidence that opposers online are lying, slanderous pieces of human garbage that cares nothing about the protection of children, they simply want to carry on their hate campaign.
The reason for contacting the legal department is simply to prevent a person from being falsely accused. There are slander statutes to consider.
Weave~

Yeah, and you were flapping your gums earlier in the Conti threads about how the JW's had the best policy of any religious organization where child molestation is rampant.

Now, they have the best BEST policy of any religion.

Until you can provide proof of all other religious organization's child sexual abuse policies and how they are lackluster compared to the JW's sexual abuse policy, you are still just flapping your gums. Uh huh, keep tellin 'em, Son.

Corinthian

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#57 Oct 9, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> Spot on.
whats spot on! which parts or what parts or what is spot on, or did you just say spot on because FHC posted without reading a damn thing.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#58 Oct 9, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
<quoted text>
Skipping over the perversion and drivel of "Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom" is dangerous in the extreme; this is an individual who, in the process of libeling JWs and the JW sect, actually had the audacity to assert [1] that former muslims are treated better by active muslims than exJWs are treated by JWs, which was nothing next to her assertion [2] that JWs are "more depraved than...Muslims."
"Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom" is not just a bigmouthed exJW who is butthurt far out of proportion to anything she actually "suffered" as a JW - the worst thing that perverted sow "suffered" as a JW was about fifteen seconds of personal inconvenience. "Hmmmmm" aka "AuroraMom," beyond being a foul-minded, perverse libeler, is - as the quotes above illustrate - mentally diseased, and that egregiously so. Such people are DANGEROUS. "The Joker" shooter in Aurora - yuk yuk - and every suicide bomber started off as just some person with a bad attitude and a big mouth. Were this disgusting creature spewing such disgusting and demonstrably false commentary about any other person or group, she would be on a watch list - where she deserves to be.
References:
_____
[1] From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
<quoted text>
[2] From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
<quoted text>
See also:
_____
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
True, in the right venue and circumstance she would be very dangerous. I wouldn't turn my back on her.
On a messageboard her mentally diseased dribbles are backed by more mentally diseased apostates who agree with everything she says. Not one of them will call her on her lies. They remind me of a deranged mob out for blood, with her being the instigator with the rope, ready to hang someone but in this case it would be JWS.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#59 Oct 9, 2012
Geeze Louise wrote:
<quoted text>
True, in the right venue and circumstance she would be very dangerous. I wouldn't turn my back on her.
On a messageboard her mentally diseased dribbles are backed by more mentally diseased apostates who agree with everything she says. Not one of them will call her on her lies. They remind me of a deranged mob out for blood, with her being the instigator with the rope, ready to hang someone but in this case it would be JWS.
geezeLouise, does not take awAy the fact that JW children your b/s have been sexaully abused by those in the KH of JW, some being men in positions of care, and not all were DF at all.

Do you think Christ would approve or do you even care, as long as the GB are protected for their weak policy on child sexual abuse its ok by you.

where is your outcry for those victims.

It is a fact that because of the lame policy by the GB children were not protected.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#60 Oct 9, 2012
Geeze Louise wrote:
<quoted text>
Shame on you for convincing victims not to report. The reproach on Jehovah's name is the perp that brings it, not the victim.
I left the satanic JW cult before the local congregations were infiltrated by sexual predators.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#62 Oct 9, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
<quoted text>
You were a sexual predator, a serial, unrepentant adulterer, and you were disfellowshipped for such.
You are a mean, hateful little man.

“YOUR WT OVERLORD”

Since: Dec 06

Putingrad

#63 Oct 9, 2012
MythSpreader wrote:
You are a mean, hateful little man.
It's your friend Bob [aka James Robert Evans aka James Roy Evans aka UNchained aka WD4AWO aka WX4QN aka Rick akak SetFree aka John653 aka Honesty aka circuitoverseer aka wasdeceivedonce aka "a host of other personas"] who is the deceitful, serial, unrepentant adulterer, who was disfellowshipped from the JW sect for his behavior, but who falsely presents himself as someone who walked away on his own, with his head held high, after learning some "truth."

[That's in addition to his other lies, libel and criminal offenses, those mostly tied up in his use of all of those names listed above, which is well documented, as well as similar behavior with his buddies down in Florida, Officer TW Hooker, and Irwin, PA's answer Dennis Nedry.]

But I know how hard it is for poor little foolish souls like you who prefer to hold up the refuse of humanity as though they were virtuous.

I'd offer you my pity, but you aren't worth it.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#64 Oct 9, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
<quoted text>
It's your friend Bob [aka James Robert Evans aka James Roy Evans aka UNchained aka WD4AWO aka WX4QN aka Rick akak SetFree aka John653 aka Honesty aka circuitoverseer aka wasdeceivedonce aka "a host of other personas"] who is the deceitful, serial, unrepentant adulterer, who was disfellowshipped from the JW sect for his behavior, but who falsely presents himself as someone who walked away on his own, with his head held high, after learning some "truth."
[That's in addition to his other lies, libel and criminal offenses, those mostly tied up in his use of all of those names listed above, which is well documented, as well as similar behavior with his buddies down in Florida, Officer TW Hooker, and Irwin, PA's answer Dennis Nedry.]
But I know how hard it is for poor little foolish souls like you who prefer to hold up the refuse of humanity as though they were virtuous.
I'd offer you my pity, but you aren't worth it.
You really need to turn this over to jehovah and let him handle it his way. I, though not one who jws would call a "true christian", nonetheless have pity for you. I fear for your mental state and the consequences of what will happen when you finally snap. Wait on jehovah, I implore you.

“YOUR WT OVERLORD”

Since: Dec 06

Putingrad

#65 Oct 9, 2012
MythSpreader wrote:
I, though not one who jws would call a "true christian", nonetheless have pity for you.
That you can lie with impunity to the degree that you do, and yet speak as though you were a "true christian" [as opposed to who/what?] is... well, not all that atypical for this setting.

I think I'm going to start calling you UNchained Jr.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#66 Oct 9, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
<quoted text>
That you can lie with impunity to the degree that you do, and yet speak as though you were a "true christian" [as opposed to who/what?] is... well, not all that atypical for this setting.
I think I'm going to start calling you UNchained Jr.
The term "true christian" was coined by jws so ask them "as opposed to what".

I'll pray for you that you can let go these things that are burdening you.

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