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Since: Feb 11

United States

#871 Oct 14, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, and Aneirin always misses the main point, and that is the protection of children, he seems to be more concerned about the welfare and rights of the criminal. If they are put into the police they will get expert help, the WT has none, it is all about protection the image of the WT and those that make the rules, that is the bottom line.
There is even more to it than that;

There is plenty of evidence the Bethel system is infiltrated by means of Christian anointed lax of oversight, all foretold;

That means they are not there for free, and the pedophile distributed network allows a simple operation to take place between the internal WT lawyers and inside aid, doling out multi-millions in out of court settlements for not just real pedophile activities, but also cons;

And this 60 million dollars (or more) or whatever it is over the last decade or so, is of course not made known to any JWs, just as the UN NGO before and after it's global awarness (10/2001), never was and never has been admitted officially to JWs; So many JWs do not even know Bethel promoted the 3rd UN placement of 1990, or it's prophetic significance, or the lawlessness that must be present at the top to even arrange such a disastrous covenant;

And with the pedophile situation, there is also very real child abuse going on in congregations in organized Bethel fashion, as well as many "free lancers" also preying on JWs;

And that itself removes God's blessing from the overall JW ministry as foretold as well; (Mal2), in fact we JWs are now cursed with a temple judgment desolation due for the UN NGO negligence and actual spiritual adultery; (Dan8:13-14); And it is all clearly foretold, with piles of Bethel evidence - just the "outcry" on the web is indication of the spiritual criminality of Bethel;

Thus Bethel promotes literal and spiritual (UN NGO, org idolatry) sexual abuses; In plain sight, fully foretold and revealed worldwide prior to the final judgment cycle beginning, not ending;

The Total World Judgment “The Judgment” Begins With Jehovah’s Witnesses
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-...

Temple Judgment Background – Governing Body Covers Up “King of the North” Actual 8th King Meaning
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/temple-judgm...

Final Temple Judgment and Jehovah's Witnesses
http://templelijah.files.wordpress.com/2013/1...

http://archangelfiles.webs.com/Final_Temple_J...

The world will plainly see JWs go down expecting "Armageddon next broters!", and will have to be recovered as per prophecy cleaned out of the many Bethel weeds now overruning the ministry, decreasing a pre GB 10% JW growth rate to todays 1%; Also an indication things are not as they appear at Bethel;

JWs must go to Rev9 "abyss" for the Daniel 8:14 "evening" timing of some years;

Timed Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses – Daniel 8:13-14
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-temple-...

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Weston super Mare

#872 Oct 15, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Its the same for everyone.
Only UNREPENTANT sinners are disfellowshipped.
INCLUDING fornicators and adulterers.
Back in the day when I was privvy to such cases, elders would be instructed to discover whether the offender was distressed over his misdeeds or simply distressed that he'd been found out.

Also, it's not unusual for someone to be repentant for their sin and then still go on to commit the sin again. For example, someone who is commiting adultery may be desperate to cease but simply be overwhelmed with emotion as the affair comes to an end. If they've sought help from the elders prior to this, their continuing the affair, if only on one further occasion, will result in immediate DF'ing.

The odd thing is that if someone has a sexual habit that is not considered to be a DF'ing offence, then the WT is (unusually!) quite understanding. The 1959 WT has this to say:

“A further problem sometimes arises when we find ourselves stumbling and falling many times over some bad habit that has bitten more deeply into our former pattern of life than we had realized. Then we are inclined to feel very discouraged and quite unworthy of further handling the precious Kingdom interests and unfit to speak the pure message of truth. What should be done if you find yourself in such an unhappy state? Do not despair. Do not conclude you have committed the unforgivable sin. That is just how Satan would like you to reason. The fact that you feel grieved and vexed with yourself is proof in itself that you have not gone too far. Never weary of turning humbly and earnestly to God, seeking his forgiveness and cleansing and help. Go to him as a child goes to his father when in trouble no matter how often on the same weakness, and Jehovah will graciously give you the help because of his undeserved kindness and, if you are sincere, he will give you the realization of a cleansed conscience.”

Maybe if the JC's adopted the above when dealing with emotional sexual relationships there'd be a lot less to criticise.

Since: Feb 11

United States

#873 Oct 15, 2013
(Isaiah 5:7). . .For the vineyard of Jehovah of armies is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah are the plantation of which he was fond. And he kept hoping for judgment, but, look! the breaking of law; for righteousness, but, look! an outcry.”

Isaiah's Bethel indictment (Isa1-5) foregleams the 8th King "trampling" of Daniel 8:13-14 as a timed temple judgment and desolation so JWs (Isa7-12) can no longer deny the spiritual status of the GB, Bethel and WTS core transgressors;

The cleansing of Isaiah picturing final CLEAN JW minsterial worldwide warning to result from this desolation and purification is at Isaiah 6 purification atonement of Isaiah paralleling Zech3:1-5);

JWs are being misled by not just covenant transgressing apostates, but also plainly acting impostors leading the show; (Dan11:30-32);

Rampant, but "smooth word" covered up lawlessness from Bethel central, is the red flag something is terribly wrong at Bethel, as foretold; And that WILL lead to Jehovah God cleansing His own name, and Christ's name upon a JW temple desolation OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS worldwide because only such an event of what will be obvious divine disapproval in time, can wake JWs up; (Matt25:5; Zech4:1);

JWs are sawing spiritual logs; zzzz zzzz zz zzzz

The Governing Body Popes and the Bethel Inquisition Fulfills Signal Prophecy Leading to Final Temple Judgment
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-...

And the GB are who administer the sleeping pills and laughing gas regularly for 20 solid years, from 37 years of rogue takeover;

The GB's days are numbered, they are not a faithful slave representation, but the now revealed "man of lawlessness" central clerics of subversion;
I love stevie Nicks

Wausau, WI

#874 Oct 15, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Its the same for everyone.
Only UNREPENTANT sinners are disfellowshipped.
INCLUDING fornicators and adulterers.
Not the two parents I reported and the children were taken ASAP from them, ONLY AFTER he went to prison and things were reported in the newspaper were THEY DFed, why? Because as one elder told me it gave God a bad name..
OH PLEASE they were giving GOD a bad name for years while everyone stood by and watched and did NOTHING until I reported them.
What a bunch of LIES..

Since: Jun 11

Canning Vale, Australia

#875 Oct 16, 2013
jaceo wrote:
<quoted text>
It depends on the "crime"
The society has discussed this at length
Where can I find this discussion?

I am wondering why they would have this policy for a murderer and not a child molester?
Tao itness

Hollywood, FL

#876 Oct 16, 2013
I love stevie Nicks wrote:
<quoted text>
Not the two parents I reported and the children were taken ASAP from them, ONLY AFTER he went to prison and things were reported in the newspaper were THEY DFed, why? Because as one elder told me it gave God a bad name..
OH PLEASE they were giving GOD a bad name for years while everyone stood by and watched and did NOTHING until I reported them.
What a bunch of LIES..
exactly this is one thing that always bothers me when I was a witness, I was so I under the spell of the divination it never really surface but it always bothered me and the back of my head. When I was a kid there was a so-called brother that was molesting his three daughters and two sons and everyone in the congregation Westford about it including the elders and speculated about it, and I've seen this with other things too, and tell it becomes public especially in the media nothing will be done. What they do focus on ispeople that get caught red handed and even then they let something slide but if it is ever known in the community through the media and will give the religion, not God, a bad name then they will drop them like a hot potato.! so when someone says so and so did this and they were in your religion, everyone Memex no they are not Jojo was witnesses, not explaining that yeah and now they're not one, but they were one when that happens, but of course they won't bring that up. Its all duplicity and b*******!
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#877 Oct 16, 2013
There is no logic in Gareth on this. Just his determination to protect false elders or he is giving false information.
The elders dropped the ball and there really is no other defense left for them, no matter how hard Gareth tires.

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