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Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses are "pedophile havens"

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AuroraMom

Joliet, IL

#1 Nov 22, 2010
The Jehovah's Witnesses are accused of having a "child protection policy" that protects paedophiles.

When child abuse is suspected within a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, "elders" in the church have a "child protection policy" to follow.

This involves reporting the matter to the church's own legal desk - but not necessarily to the police.

The organisation's strict biblical interpretation means not only that the matter often remains a secret within the organisation, but also that victims can be sent back home to the abusive relationship which they have complained of.

A former elder, Bill Bowen, has spoken out to Panorama about these policies. He's now leading a campaign to change the church's attitude to child abuse within its ranks.
And we speak to victims caught up in this controversy from around the world.

Where such laws do not exist (in many US states) even if a JW confesses to pedophilia, he is shielded by local JW elders, acting directly on the instructions of Watchtower's Legal and Service Departments.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panoram ...

Sex Abuse: Witness Leaders Accused of Shielding Molesters

Sex Abuse: Witness Leaders Accused of Shielding Molesters | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction

Even two members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall were dismissed on improper sexual conduct.

The list goes on and on...

If you -- or your child -- opens the door to one of the Jehovah's Witness pedophiles, you'll never know until it's too late.

Stop Jehovah's Witnesses building their pedophile Kingdom Halls now.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/christian-d...

Just thought this was interesting

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#2 Nov 22, 2010
AuroraMom wrote:
The Jehovah's Witnesses are accused of having a "child protection policy" that protects paedophiles.
When child abuse is suspected within a congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, "elders" in the church have a "child protection policy" to follow.
This involves reporting the matter to the church's own legal desk - but not necessarily to the police.
The organisation's strict biblical interpretation means not only that the matter often remains a secret within the organisation, but also that victims can be sent back home to the abusive relationship which they have complained of.
A former elder, Bill Bowen, has spoken out to Panorama about these policies. He's now leading a campaign to change the church's attitude to child abuse within its ranks.
And we speak to victims caught up in this controversy from around the world.
Where such laws do not exist (in many US states) even if a JW confesses to pedophilia, he is shielded by local JW elders, acting directly on the instructions of Watchtower's Legal and Service Departments.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panoram ...
Sex Abuse: Witness Leaders Accused of Shielding Molesters
Sex Abuse: Witness Leaders Accused of Shielding Molesters | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction
Even two members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall were dismissed on improper sexual conduct.
The list goes on and on...
If you -- or your child -- opens the door to one of the Jehovah's Witness pedophiles, you'll never know until it's too late.
Stop Jehovah's Witnesses building their pedophile Kingdom Halls now.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/christian-d...
Just thought this was interesting
You are right..
It IS interesting.
Just replace "Jehovah's Witnesses" with "Jews" and "Kingdom Hall" with Synagogue", and I would have mistaken this for a speech in Berlin 1939.

Thanks for this article AuroraMom.
You have reminded all of us that hate and bigotry is alive and well in North America.
AuroraMom

Joliet, IL

#3 Nov 22, 2010
Jews have never trained their children to be submissive "sheep" and never question an adult male Jew.

There is and has never been any cover up involving Israel, Jews and pedophilia.

Your analogy is preposterous as usual FN.

But you prove yourself the lunatic stalker by continuing to do so.

You are ready to blow at any minute, you are armed and you trespass uninvited unto people's property.

You have no grasp on reality, and your posts prove that, so keep posting!!

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#4 Nov 22, 2010
AuroraMom wrote:
Jews have never trained their children to be submissive "sheep" and never question an adult male Jew.
Neither have Witnesses.
AuroraMom wrote:
There is and has never been any cover up involving Israel, Jews and pedophilia.
No cover up in the WTS either. Just because someone CLAIMS to have names (for years now) does not mean that he actually HAS these names.
AuroraMom wrote:
Your analogy is preposterous as usual FN.
Actually, my analogy is spot on. Someone is posting hate based on a religion. I am not surprised you missed that.
AuroraMom wrote:
But you prove yourself the lunatic stalker by continuing to do so.
Am I not allowed to reply to your posts on an OPEN form FOR WITNESSES?
If you don't like it, simply leave.
AuroraMom wrote:
You are ready to blow at any minute, you are armed and you trespass uninvited unto people's property.
You have no grasp on reality, and your posts prove that, so keep posting!!
Not even close. I feel more pity then I do anger at you. I feel sorry for you and your hate filled rants.
And according to the laws of this nation (that you never helped to protect. why is that?) we are not trespassing.
AuroraMom

Joliet, IL

#5 Nov 22, 2010
Neither have Witnesses.
Liar. Every Jehovah's Witness child is programmed to be a "submissive sheep" and NEVER question anything an elder says or does, including sexually attacking them, if they question doctrine or any action of an adult male JW, they are whisked away for more indoctrination and will be labeled a rebellious goat.
Sad, that Florida Native just like all Jehovah's Witness parents, grooms his children to be a victim of an elder pedophile.
The "hate" for your cult, is because you program innocent children to be victims and then your cult leaders protect the adult male Jehovah's Witness pedophile.
I am not scared of you, you lunatic.
But I sure would not let you on my property.

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#6 Nov 22, 2010
AuroraMom wrote:
Neither have Witnesses.
Liar. Every Jehovah's Witness child is programmed to be a "submissive sheep" and NEVER question anything an elder says or does, including sexually attacking them, if they question doctrine or any action of an adult male JW, they are whisked away for more indoctrination and will be labeled a rebellious goat.
Sad, that Florida Native just like all Jehovah's Witness parents, grooms his children to be a victim of an elder pedophile.
The "hate" for your cult, is because you program innocent children to be victims and then your cult leaders protect the adult male Jehovah's Witness pedophile.
I am not scared of you, you lunatic.
But I sure would not let you on my property.
That is a lie.
You know it.
I know it.
Every Witness on this board knows it
Every Ex Witness on this board knows it.
You are a sick individual.
Hopefully you are on the do not call list.

Since: Jul 10

Brookfield, WI

#7 Nov 22, 2010
florida native wrote:
Hopefully you are on the do not call list.
Actually, I hope she isn't. Seeing her would be a good reminder to the visiting Witnesses to stay close to the congregation!
UNchained

Knoxville, TN

#9 Nov 22, 2010
StandFirm wrote:
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Actually, I hope she isn't. Seeing her would be a good reminder to the visiting Witnesses to stay close to the congregation!
Seeing her on this board has obviously NOT been a good reminder for you to stay close to the congregation has it.

I am happy that she has had such a good effect on your relationship with the congregation.

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“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10 Nov 23, 2010
AuroraMom wrote:
Well, standsupforpedophiles, you surely know that I speak the truth, don't you?
I have stated the truth and nothing else.
Does not take a whole lot of investigation, to figure that out!
LOL!!!!
You stating the truth!!!!!
red blood relative

United States

#11 Nov 23, 2010
imangine being a little child who is being molested, and you try to get some help from your jw elders, and they ask you if you can produce TWO WITNESSES !......then, since you can't they tell you to shut up about it all, or you will be disiplined for slander and causing a division.

imagine that.

then imagine being sent back home with the person you just told on, and getting the beating of your life for telling on him.

then imagine seeing that person giving talks and going door to door, and going to get-togethers, while you are being shunned for the multiple behavior problems you are developing.

its all about protecting the IMAGE of the jw organization..... the main goal is to hurry and silence the victims to keep it out of court and the media.....so all of their judicial committee meetings are set up to produce that outcome.

funny thing is, the members go along with it since they believe its god's organization, and they think they should not bring reproach on it by exposing the pedophiles.
so, over the years it has become a PEDOPHILE PARADISE.... the jw legal team has the silencing tactis down pat..... the local elders must obey them or get removed as an elder..... so most jw elders go along with it, since the silencing instructions come straight from headquarters over the manditory phone call and superceed all other instructions.

Since: Jul 10

Santa Fe, TX

#12 Nov 23, 2010
"imangine being a little child who is being molested, and you try to get some help from your jw elders, and they ask you if you can produce TWO WITNESSES"

Why do you think two witnesses are called into question in the first place? Because not everyone tells the truth. The requirement for two witnesses applies to those at an age of accountability, not little children. Has it escaped your notice that those interviewed making accusations were not children when they brought this type of thing to the elders?

If there's only one witness, and the accused denies the accusation, the elders do not assume the accuser is lying, there is simply not enough evidence to take formal action against the person. The secular court system is no different.

All these issues have thoroughly been settled. That's why Jehovah's Witnesses are tuned in to what goes on their congregation, but the vast majority ignore ill-motivated opposers. They just run around in circles with the same baseless nonsense.
AuroraMom

Joliet, IL

#13 Nov 23, 2010
florida native wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a lie.
You know it.
I know it.
Every Witness on this board knows it
Every Ex Witness on this board knows it.
You are a sick individual.
Hopefully you are on the do not call list.
I have been proven to be truthful, and nothing infuriates you more.
The WBTS leaders lied to your face, and not me.
Yet, you would murder your children for them.
YOU are a sick individual.
Keep posting!!

Since: Feb 08

Mesa, AZ

#14 Nov 23, 2010
Christ Illusion wrote:
"imangine being a little child who is being molested, and you try to get some help from your jw elders, and they ask you if you can produce TWO WITNESSES"
Why do you think two witnesses are called into question in the first place? Because not everyone tells the truth. The requirement for two witnesses applies to those at an age of accountability, not little children. Has it escaped your notice that those interviewed making accusations were not children when they brought this type of thing to the elders?
If there's only one witness, and the accused denies the accusation, the elders do not assume the accuser is lying, there is simply not enough evidence to take formal action against the person. The secular court system is no different.
All these issues have thoroughly been settled. That's why Jehovah's Witnesses are tuned in to what goes on their congregation, but the vast majority ignore ill-motivated opposers. They just run around in circles with the same baseless nonsense.
so if they go to the police then what they are breaking with the congregations two witless rule, no wonder so many like my friends dad is swept under the carpet to reofend, get df'd, get reinstated get df'd, and get reinstated again!!!!!

. I guess he was just having a good ole time because even when he was caught on numerous ocassions no one did anything still lives in ca with no police record of any kind I checked he has lived on the central coast, los angeles, san jose and now hes in a little town in ca were many illegals live.... hummm now I wonder why that is...not hard to figure out.... think an illegal would tell that their child was molested....I notice every town this sick person has lived in has been put on silent lambs I went their to look no need for me to post as I'm sure the line was out the door for that bastard.
AuroraMom

Joliet, IL

#15 Nov 23, 2010
red blood relative wrote:
imangine being a little child who is being molested, and you try to get some help from your jw elders, and they ask you if you can produce TWO WITNESSES !......then, since you can't they tell you to shut up about it all, or you will be disiplined for slander and causing a division.
imagine that.
then imagine being sent back home with the person you just told on, and getting the beating of your life for telling on him.
then imagine seeing that person giving talks and going door to door, and going to get-togethers, while you are being shunned for the multiple behavior problems you are developing.
its all about protecting the IMAGE of the jw organization..... the main goal is to hurry and silence the victims to keep it out of court and the media.....so all of their judicial committee meetings are set up to produce that outcome.
funny thing is, the members go along with it since they believe its god's organization, and they think they should not bring reproach on it by exposing the pedophiles.
so, over the years it has become a PEDOPHILE PARADISE.... the jw legal team has the silencing tactis down pat..... the local elders must obey them or get removed as an elder..... so most jw elders go along with it, since the silencing instructions come straight from headquarters over the manditory phone call and superceed all other instructions.
The saddest part, is this is all true.
How do we as a society, allow this cult to thrive.
Our children deserve to be protected, period!
red blood relative

United States

#16 Nov 24, 2010
AuroraMom wrote:
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The saddest part, is this is all true.
How do we as a society, allow this cult to thrive.
Our children deserve to be protected, period!
the thing is, jw pr reps are expert smooth talkers and the look good to the public.
but the public can't tell, that from the second a little jw child confesses they have been molested, its a RAIL-ROAD to silence them using every trick in the book.

then they run a discrediting campaign agaist anyone who knows the scoop like bill bowen..... they go all they way... it's been that way from the onset.... they disfellowship anyone who figures out their theology too.... its how they opperate..... the jw legal team are experts at that game.

unless you get one of those committee meetings recorded, it all sounds far fetched.

Since: Jul 10

Santa Fe, TX

#17 Nov 24, 2010
lise2468 wrote:
<quoted text>so if they go to the police then what they are breaking with the congregations two witless rule, no wonder so many like my friends dad is swept under the carpet to reofend, get df'd, get reinstated get df'd, and get reinstated again!!!!!
. I guess he was just having a good ole time because even when he was caught on numerous ocassions no one did anything still lives in ca with no police record of any kind I checked he has lived on the central coast, los angeles, san jose and now hes in a little town in ca were many illegals live.... hummm now I wonder why that is...not hard to figure out.... think an illegal would tell that their child was molested....I notice every town this sick person has lived in has been put on silent lambs I went their to look no need for me to post as I'm sure the line was out the door for that bastard.
Two witnesses to take congregation action against the person.

http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm

When any one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is accused of an act of child abuse, the local congregation elders are expected to investigate.

However, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the allegation to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in their country, if local privacy laws permit. In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, the elders receive proper legal direction to ensure that they comply with the law. Additionally, the victim or anyone else who has knowledge of the allegation may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
red blood relative

United States

#18 Nov 24, 2010
Christ Illusion wrote:
<quoted text>
Two witnesses to take congregation action against the person.
http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm
When any one of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses is accused of an act of child abuse, the local congregation elders are expected to investigate.
However, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the allegation to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in their country, if local privacy laws permit. In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, the elders receive proper legal direction to ensure that they comply with the law. Additionally, the victim or anyone else who has knowledge of the allegation may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
see what i mean about bs from the jw legal team folks?
after the local elders call headquarters because of the MANDITORY PHONE CALL TO HEADQUARTERS in molestation cases, the jw legal team takes over, and their instructions over the phone superceed all written instructions.

while the legal team snows the public, they silence the victims with threats..... the jw molestation victims shut up after the local elders are done threatening them.

Since: Jul 10

Santa Fe, TX

#19 Nov 24, 2010
red blood relative wrote:
<quoted text>
see what i mean about bs from the jw legal team folks?
after the local elders call headquarters because of the MANDITORY PHONE CALL TO HEADQUARTERS in molestation cases, the jw legal team takes over, and their instructions over the phone superceed all written instructions.
while the legal team snows the public, they silence the victims with threats..... the jw molestation victims shut up after the local elders are done threatening them.
They're to make a report to the Branch Office to make record of an allegation made against a person in case they decide to up and go to another congregation or if it's established they are what they're accused of. It's also to make sure they act in accordance with the laws applicable to their location.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#20 Nov 24, 2010
lise2468 wrote:
<quoted text>so if they go to the police then what they are breaking with the congregations two witless rule, no wonder so many like my friends dad is swept under the carpet to reofend, get df'd, get reinstated get df'd, and get reinstated again!!!!!
The two witness rule has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with calling the police. You can call the police with no witnesses if you want.

Not why didn't you call the police on your friend's dad? If you did he would be in prison rather than re-offending.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#21 Nov 25, 2010
Gareth wrote:
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The two witness rule has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with calling the police. You can call the police with no witnesses if you want.
Not why didn't you call the police on your friend's dad? If you did he would be in prison rather than re-offending.
depends on how far back that was sir Garth, which you never bothered to consider did you!

years ago we were told NOT to call the police, and why because we would bring reproach on Jehovah's name and the congregation. You know how it was many years ago, and those that did were ostracized, many JW would rather blame the victim than the molester, not to mention the social stigma in the KH, I have seen families ripped apart because of bad elder decisions, and any that dare went to the police were frowned upon, but today it is different since the court cases isn't it.

Do you ever consider your b/s at all Gareth, and what they have been though because of SOME bad elders and yes bethel and GB rules that did not protect the victims at all. In the end it will all come out for ALL honest hearted JW to see and hopefully they will embrace the victims and yes forgive the elders.

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