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How did Jesus die cross or stake what was uncovered

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Born Again

Louisville, KY

#1 Oct 3, 2007
HISTORICAL FINDINGS:

Historical findings have substantiated the traditional cross. One finding is a graffito1 dating to shortly after 200 A.D., taken from the walls of the Roman Palatine. It is a drawing of a crucified ass; a mockery of a Christian prisoner who worships Christ. The Romans were no doubt amused that Christians worshiped this Jesus whom they had crucified on a cross.

In June of 1968, bulldozers working north of Jerusalem accidentally laid bare tombs dating from the first century B.C. and the first century A.D. Greek archeologist Vasilius Tzaferis was instructed by the Israeli Department of Antiquities to carefully excavate these tombs. Subsequently one of the most exciting finds of recent times was unearthed - the first skeletal remains of a crucified man. The most significant factor is its dating to around the time of Christ. The skeleton was of a man named Yehohanan son of Chaggol, who had been crucified between the age of 24 and 28. Mr. Tzaferis wrote an article in the Jan/Feb. 1985 issue of the secular magazine Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR), and here are some of his comments regarding crucifixion in Jesus' time:

At the end of the first century B.C., the Romans adopted crucifixion as an official punishment for non-Romans for certain limited transgressions. Initially, it was employed not as a method of execution, but only as a punishment. Moreover, only slaves convicted of certain crimes were punished by crucifixion. During this early period, a wooden beam, known as a furca or patibulum was placed on the slave's neck and bound to his arms.

...When the procession arrived at the execution site, a vertical stake was fixed into the ground. Sometimes the victim was attached to the cross only with ropes. In such a case, the patibulum or crossbeam, to which the victim's arms were already bound, was simply affixed to the vertical beam; the victim's feet were then bound to the stake with a few turns of the rope.

If the victim was attached by nails, he was laid on the ground, with his shoulders on the crossbeam. His arms were held out and nailed to the two ends of the crossbeam, which was then raised and fixed on top of the vertical beam. The victim's feet were then nailed down against this vertical stake.

In order to prolong the agony, Roman executioners devised two instruments that would keep the victim alive on the cross for extended periods of time. One, known as a sedile, was a small seat attached to the front of the cross, about halfway down. This device provided some support for the victim's body and may explain the phrase used by the Romans, "to sit on the cross." Both Eraneus and Justin Martyr describe the cross of Jesus as having five extremities rather than four; the fifth was probably the sedile.(p. 48,49)

Since: Sep 07

Beltsville, MD

#3 Oct 3, 2007
Josephus some where spoke of the use of crosses. I think even mentioned that the Son of God was crucified on a cross. Its amazing how the WTBS will quote Josephus on things but totally ignore his mentioning of the use of crosses.
Born Again

Louisville, KY

#4 Oct 3, 2007
The Roman Scourge - 8:42amThe Roman scourge, also called the "flagrum" or "flagellum" was a short whip made of two or three leather (ox-hide) thongs or ropes connected to a handle as ...
www.bible-history.com/past/flagrum.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

Jesus suffered so .This shows what the pain he suffered was caused from and explains some of the tactics used by the Romans .In my eyes I am not worth what He went through but in His eyes I was .So were you .
Born Again

Louisville, KY

#5 Oct 3, 2007
Architect2007 wrote:
Josephus some where spoke of the use of crosses. I think even mentioned that the Son of God was crucified on a cross. Its amazing how the WTBS will quote Josephus on things but totally ignore his mentioning of the use of crosses.
Speculation on just how Christ died is becoming clearer as they uncover ancient tombs of crucified men . I believe MAYO CLINIC DID A PAPER on just what would have taken place that day to the Body of Jesus from the beating through the crucifiction it was horrid what He suffered .I found the report years ago on the internet and cannot locate it now .If I do I will post the site .Jesus was either God dying for His creation or a nut needing mental care .I pick God dying for His creation .

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

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#6 Oct 3, 2007
It is fully possible that Jesus died on a Cross. I also think it is important to point out that cross, stake, barn door, beheaded... It is not important HOW he died as much as it is WHY he died.
dee

Simpsonville, SC

#7 Oct 3, 2007
florida native wrote:
It is fully possible that Jesus died on a Cross. I also think it is important to point out that cross, stake, barn door, beheaded... It is not important HOW he died as much as it is WHY he died.
Your right but why does the WT make such a big deal out of a stake over a cross?
Born Again

Louisville, KY

#8 Oct 3, 2007
florida native wrote:
It is fully possible that Jesus died on a Cross. I also think it is important to point out that cross, stake, barn door, beheaded... It is not important HOW he died as much as it is WHY he died.
Agreed
Born Again

Louisville, KY

#9 Oct 3, 2007
dee wrote:
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Your right but why does the WT make such a big deal out of a stake over a cross?
I just thought I would post some interesting facts and information on Roman crucifiction .It was an awful thing .WT does make a big deal over cross vs stake but it is to push their anti chriatian message just a little further .I really just ignore them and let history speak .

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

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#10 Oct 3, 2007
dee wrote:
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Your right but why does the WT make such a big deal out of a stake over a cross?
The WT does not make such a "big deal" about it.
The big deal is that there are people that actually bow down to the cross.
That is the big deal.
Flame

Potomac, MD

#11 Oct 3, 2007
florida native wrote:
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The WT does not make such a "big deal" about it.
The big deal is that there are people that actually bow down to the cross.
That is the big deal.
You are absolutely right, FN

Since: Sep 07

Lynnwood, WA

#12 Oct 3, 2007
florida native wrote:
It is fully possible that Jesus died on a Cross. I also think it is important to point out that cross, stake, barn door, beheaded... It is not important HOW he died as much as it is WHY he died.
Then why does your religion have to make this huge deal about it.

Thats rite to be separate like the sacred undies of morons. Its a cult tactic you know.

The wts whole cross thing is just to separate. Its the demons.

Since: Sep 07

Lynnwood, WA

#13 Oct 3, 2007
florida native wrote:
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The WT does not make such a "big deal" about it.
The big deal is that there are people that actually bow down to the cross.
That is the big deal.
Omg straight up lie, when I was JW we heard about the steak vs cross regularly bs your so fulla it.

To read that rite after posting pissed me off.

Since: Sep 07

Lynnwood, WA

#14 Oct 3, 2007
Hey remember revelation were it says not to change the bible. It is a command.

If the JW were wrong that would make them false, and since they are a religion that would make them false religion with false teachings wouldn't it FN!

And who has bowed to a cross in recent times wtf?

people ware Jesus crosses and most who ware it just like the style and don't know jack about the bible.

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

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#15 Oct 3, 2007
FindingTheTruth wrote:
Hey remember revelation were it says not to change the bible. It is a command.
If the JW were wrong that would make them false, and since they are a religion that would make them false religion with false teachings wouldn't it FN!
And who has bowed to a cross in recent times wtf?
people ware Jesus crosses and most who ware it just like the style and don't know jack about the bible.
Do you "ware" a cross?

Since: Sep 07

Lynnwood, WA

#16 Oct 3, 2007
No.

Since: Sep 07

Lynnwood, WA

#17 Oct 3, 2007
I also do not wear one either.

Since: Sep 07

Lynnwood, WA

#18 Oct 3, 2007
I notice how you did not care I called you a liar, because you knew that was a lie, everyone here knows the cross vs steak thing was a big deal, well everyone here who was jw or raised it.

So you agree that it is possible that Jesus did not die on a steak. It is also possible that he did. Tell that to the elders and they will "prove" laughably that he died on a steak, you will then have to accept it come here post the laughableness and then we go wow its a good thing we are not JW.

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

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#19 Oct 3, 2007
FindingTheTruth wrote:
I notice how you did not care I called you a liar, because you knew that was a lie, everyone here knows the cross vs steak thing was a big deal, well everyone here who was jw or raised it.
So you agree that it is possible that Jesus did not die on a steak. It is also possible that he did. Tell that to the elders and they will "prove" laughably that he died on a steak, you will then have to accept it come here post the laughableness and then we go wow its a good thing we are not JW.
Had you bothered to read my other posts, you would have seen that I already stated that it is highly probably that he actually died on a Cross as opposed to a "steak" (yummy).
That arguement is actually pretty minor and not really worth my time as the manner of death is not important.
dee

Simpsonville, SC

#20 Oct 3, 2007
florida native wrote:
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The WT does not make such a "big deal" about it.
The big deal is that there are people that actually bow down to the cross.
That is the big deal.
I saw the WT mag that did make a big deal out of it. I wonder if you told them that it's very possibly that they might be wrong about the stake, what would happen? Would you be considered weak spiritually?
Christians bow to the man who died on the cross.

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

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#21 Oct 3, 2007
dee wrote:
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I saw the WT mag that did make a big deal out of it. I wonder if you told them that it's very possibly that they might be wrong about the stake, what would happen? Would you be considered weak spiritually?
Christians bow to the man who died on the cross.
And Jesus gave instructions to honor God.
In fact, when people tried to give honor to him personally, he rebuked them and corrected them.

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