little lamb

Australia

#423 Jun 24, 2012
Gerald wrote:
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Little Lamb.
How many groups were mentioned in Matthew 25:31-46?
And based from this scriptures which group supports Jesus' Brother?
Is it the sheep or the goat who supports Jesus' Brother?
I understand how you get the two groups...You see Jesus brothers as being separate from mankind..then mankind being judged on how they treat Jesus brothers as being either sheep or goats.

But it all depends on whether Jesus has returned and sits on his glorious throne...doesn't it?

also God tells us " Not to rely upon our own understanding, but in all our ways take notice of him"

And at this present time, his word is plain " there is only ONE FAITH and we are called in the ONE HOPE"

We can't change his word to fit our own understanding

Also he warns Isa 24 [3] Without fail the land will be emptied and without fail it will be plundered , for Jehovah has spoken this word ...

[5] And the very land has been polluted under its inhabitants , for they have bypassed the laws, changed the regulation, broken the indefinately lasting covenant"

And the organization has contributed to the breaking of the everlasting covenant..treating of no value to each individual, Jesus BLOOD of the covenant that sanctifies us...

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#424 Jun 24, 2012
CIA Free wrote:
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You 100% correct.
They have bought into the Watchtower's mistaken explanation of why the end of the world did not occur when it's then president JF Rutherford predicted it would during his lifetime.
Rutherford got caught by his own lie and many Witnesses fell away from following him just like some of Harold Campings folks did last year after his failed endtime prognostications.
Rutherford however, came up with a rather brilliant albeit deceitful and diabolical idea for why the end did not come:'God had informed him that the work was not complete. The heavenly called was finished but they now had the work of gathering the "other sheep" who will live on this earth forever.'
Lo and behold! They fell for it. Some of them bought wholesale into that lie that he just pulled out of the same 'ass of himself' that he pulled 1925 from.
Thus today Witnesses hold on to their 2-classes of "Christian" concept that some will be in heaven while the rest remain on earth yet somehow they are to be viewed as only ONE flock. Sounds like 2 flocks to me in different locations.
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. Question.. if in fact it was true that the heavenly calling was
was through.. Then where are these some what younger GB coming from??? that a suposedly anointed???? AS ...if.. GOD said it was filled ..( Which he didn't) it was filled.. Reflect he reads hearts.
Disciple

Los Angeles, CA

#425 Jun 24, 2012
C. I. A. rightly said: What are Jesus' brothers if not sheep? Goats? Jack-rabbits?

Jesus himself said that his disciples were his little lambs and he specifically directed Peter to feed them. He also called them his little flock which would later be joined with other sheep that he would also bring and the two would become one flock.

Disciple> Romans 3:"22"-28 backs your statement up.

C. I. A. continued>> So if Jesus' apostles and disciples were sheep and "the ones on the right" are also sheep, it basically means that sheep support the sheep just as RBR stated. Do you really have a problem with that?

John 17:11, 14, 17 - "20" -23. All those mentioned in these passages are represented when one receives the gospel, via John 7:37-39, Acts 2:37-39. After understanding what all the Christians in here have been teaching the lurkers,(who are simply trying to find answers) these passages back up every thing the Christian community has been saying.

Why would the lurkers believe any thing Garth, alias 2057, alias Gerald, or any of the 99.99% of Jehovah Witness when they are all still under the Old Law,(by accepting WT strange fire taken from 'book' studies).

"In the strict biblical sense, 99.99% of WT followers have (unknowingly) been placed 'under the Old Law.'How you ask?' By telling the new proselyte that 99.99% of them do not have the Holy Spirit ('the Spirit of God') in them. The WT 'book' studies tries to deceitfully to scare their new proselytes into thinking they can't partake, because only 144000 have the Holy Spirit leading them,('the Spirit of God' in them).

“…We cannot hope to receive holy spirit if we ignore the earthly channel Jehovah is using today,” WT 7/15/1987, p. 18-19


We know what the Jesus of the Watchtower would say about these demonic inspiried statements, but what would the 'biblical Jesus Christ have to say about it?(John 7:37-39, Luke 11:13!


What sort of spirit would want them to stay there in that condition?? There is only one reason why one is not a son of God- John 1:12. Its because a person rejects the very Spirit that God gives the true believer, Galatians 4:6, 19.

Galatians 5:18 But 'if ' you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Compare with 2 Corinthians 13:5. Yes unclean spirit inspired teachings of the cults like the WT causes lovers of God to (unknowingly) to fall from grace. Dear lurkers, the Christian community are just praying for you and are only trying to give you passages that WT 'book' studies would rather you not read.

What does it take before a believing Jew (the small flock of Jn 10:16) when they surrender to Jesus Christ through the gospel? What happen to the believing Gentile whenever they do the same...(Jn. 7:37-39)? That's when Jn. 1:12 and Galatians 3:26 takes place..

Romans 8:14 For 'as many as' are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God....

Galatians 5:18 But 'if ' you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


JW: "Are 99.9 % of you led,('do you allow the Spirit of God to lead you??? The WT Elder would scream, if you told him that Romans 8:9-12 is applying (to you,)..to each believer in the congregation." Does your God lie?- 1 John 3:7, 24, ; 4:4, 13, 15, ; 5:20.

Leaving any congregation because of false teaching is not synonymous with leaving Jesus Christ and the Father. See John 17:17-'20'-23 , and Jn 7:37-39 again

Since: Feb 09

Mableton, GA

#426 Jun 25, 2012
Maravilla wrote:
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. Question.. if in fact it was true that the heavenly calling was
was through.. Then where are these some what younger GB coming from??? that a suposedly anointed???? AS ...if.. GOD said it was filled ..( Which he didn't) it was filled.. Reflect he reads hearts.
Hello Mara,

That's the whole thing about the Watchtower, it's obvious lies go mostly unnoticed and/or unquestioned and definitely not challenged by the large majority of it's devotees like Nomi, Chandler, Gareth, Eagle and JWF.

I have saved in my files the actual Watchtowers where they made bold statements about the end of the heavenly calling in 1931 and then again in 1935. The Watchtower in effect closed the door to heaven so no more Jehovah's Witnesses can claim to be anointed.

Later the door to heaven obviously swung back open in later years to include younger "anointed ones" because it previous belief had been shown to be in complete error with the passage of time. Certain things that they had predicted to take place by a certain time simply had not occurred. This was becoming very troubling to them because their credibility was again taking serious hits and starting to cripple their organization from the top down.

They immediately began manufacturing excuses and more lies to cover the previous lies which worked for some but not for all.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#427 Jun 25, 2012
CIA Free wrote:
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Hello Mara,
That's the whole thing about the Watchtower, it's obvious lies go mostly unnoticed and/or unquestioned and definitely not challenged by the large majority of it's devotees like Nomi, Chandler, Gareth, Eagle and JWF.
I have saved in my files the actual Watchtowers where they made bold statements about the end of the heavenly calling in 1931 and then again in 1935. The Watchtower in effect closed the door to heaven so no more Jehovah's Witnesses can claim to be anointed.
Later the door to heaven obviously swung back open in later years to include younger "anointed ones" because it previous belief had been shown to be in complete error with the passage of time. Certain things that they had predicted to take place by a certain time simply had not occurred. This was becoming very troubling to them because their credibility was again taking serious hits and starting to cripple their organization from the top down.
They immediately began manufacturing excuses and more lies to cover the previous lies which worked for some but not for all.
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. That is the problem with their trying to fill so many pages with man made reasoning.. To be consumed as they call it.. food at the proper time.. Much of the things that they have been wrong about.. Are misleading.. stones for stumbling.. indelible.. Because they spread them all over the world.
Then if that is not wrongs enough ..they beat the sheep that do as God tells them.. And read the bible to discern if what they have been taught goes along with God's word.. Claiming that they have the truth and they are God's Voice.. Isn't working for them.. Yet it serves to prove that those that Kiss the popes rings and cling to their every word.. are putting their faith and alligence in men.. Yet another thing ..GOD.. has told us not to do..
And they call these words hatred.. If we hated them ..we would just leave them sleep in there so called spiritual cocoon.. In so called blistful unknowingness..

Since: Feb 09

United States

#428 Jun 25, 2012
Maravilla wrote:
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. That is the problem with their trying to fill so many pages with man made reasoning.. To be consumed as they call it.. food at the proper time.. Much of the things that they have been wrong about.. Are misleading.. stones for stumbling.. indelible.. Because they spread them all over the world.
Then if that is not wrongs enough ..they beat the sheep that do as God tells them.. And read the bible to discern if what they have been taught goes along with God's word.. Claiming that they have the truth and they are God's Voice.. Isn't working for them.. Yet it serves to prove that those that Kiss the popes rings and cling to their every word.. are putting their faith and alligence in men.. Yet another thing ..GOD.. has told us not to do..
And they call these words hatred.. If we hated them ..we would just leave them sleep in there so called spiritual cocoon.. In so called blistful unknowingness..
I totally agree.

I gradually came around to the point that I began to see that in the very things that we as Jehovah's Witnesses ridiculed and reviled the Catholics and other churches, we ourselves were equally guilty.

How could I condemn Catholics and Protestants for given undue adoration to their Pope, priests and pastors, when we were worship at the feet of the Governing Body and the Circuit Overseers!

I remember as it was all about to come to a head watching our C.O. Bro. Ashe clamoring onstage to get a picture with a Governing Body member named Albert Schroeder. He was like a little kid skipping about around the whole platform trying to get the right angle while Mr. Schroeder just stood their looking at him like he had 3 heads on his shoulder.

Then as Schroeder was escorted out of the building, Bro. Ashe had his own groupies surrounding him trying to get pictures and autographs. I just looked at my wife who was standing there shaking her head in disbelief. Even she found the whole ordeal disturbing and she is one of the most devout Witnesses I know. I just remember feeling really queasy as if I was about to throw-up as I walked out thinking this is no better than "Christendom" and perhaps worse.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#429 Jun 25, 2012
CIA Free wrote:
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I totally agree.
I gradually came around to the point that I began to see that in the very things that we as Jehovah's Witnesses ridiculed and reviled the Catholics and other churches, we ourselves were equally guilty.
How could I condemn Catholics and Protestants for given undue adoration to their Pope, priests and pastors, when we were worship at the feet of the Governing Body and the Circuit Overseers!
I remember as it was all about to come to a head watching our C.O. Bro. Ashe clamoring onstage to get a picture with a Governing Body member named Albert Schroeder. He was like a little kid skipping about around the whole platform trying to get the right angle while Mr. Schroeder just stood their looking at him like he had 3 heads on his shoulder.
Then as Schroeder was escorted out of the building, Bro. Ashe had his own groupies surrounding him trying to get pictures and autographs. I just looked at my wife who was standing there shaking her head in disbelief. Even she found the whole ordeal disturbing and she is one of the most devout Witnesses I know. I just remember feeling really queasy as if I was about to throw-up as I walked out thinking this is no better than "Christendom" and perhaps worse.
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I recall that same type of actions years ago .as my step mother always went to the Gilead Graduations. Why??..other then throwing out names.. as if the people were saints. No governing body per say back then.. But, it sure gave her the warm fuzzies to be near them.. Quite the little utopia they had down there..

Since: Feb 09

United States

#430 Jun 26, 2012
Maravilla wrote:
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I recall that same type of actions years ago .as my step mother always went to the Gilead Graduations. Why??..other then throwing out names.. as if the people were saints. No governing body per say back then.. But, it sure gave her the warm fuzzies to be near them.. Quite the little utopia they had down there..
Yes. But Jehovah's Witnesses still can't see that in the things that they condemn others they also condemn themselves.

It's like with their fiery condemnation of the church for teaching "falsehoods" like Hellfire, the Trinity and the Immortality of the human soul. Yet they have introduced new confirmed lies of their own like their 1914 doctrine of Jesus ruling as king in that year and their being appointed by God to be His exclusive organization on earth in the year 1919. Also while claiming that they receive no special messages from God, they KNOW that the door to heaven was closed in the 1930s and that only months remained before Armageddon only to revise the date over and over and over through the years. Unbelievable! Yet, with many fell for it anyway.

How much has to happen like this before a person finally realizes it and says:'THIS IS NOT THE TRUTH!!'

Sadly, for some it's an entire lifetime. They live their entire life enslaved to the Watchtower and it's belief that the end of this world will come and that they will never grow old - only to find out that it was all a lie when they are finally forced to face the end of their own biological life on this earth.
Gerald

Makati, Philippines

#431 Jun 26, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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I understand how you get the two groups...You see Jesus brothers as being separate from mankind..then mankind being judged on how they treat Jesus brothers as being either sheep or goats.
But it all depends on whether Jesus has returned and sits on his glorious throne...doesn't it?
also God tells us " Not to rely upon our own understanding, but in all our ways take notice of him"
And at this present time, his word is plain " there is only ONE FAITH and we are called in the ONE HOPE"
We can't change his word to fit our own understanding
Also he warns Isa 24 [3] Without fail the land will be emptied and without fail it will be plundered , for Jehovah has spoken this word ...
[5] And the very land has been polluted under its inhabitants , for they have bypassed the laws, changed the regulation, broken the indefinately lasting covenant"
And the organization has contributed to the breaking of the everlasting covenant..treating of no value to each individual, Jesus BLOOD of the covenant that sanctifies us...
little lamb.

So this confirms that you believe and recognize that the group Jesus' BROTHERS and the group SHEEP are two different groups?

We JW's believe that there is only one HOPE, hope of everlasting life, based on John 3:16.

There is one HOPE but two destination. Read Matthew 5:3 and Matthew 5:5.

But based on the Bible there are CHOSEN or ANNOINTED ones who have the privelege of reigning together with Jesus in the Kingdom of God. But the HOPE of everalasting life will also be enjoyed by those who will be subjects of the Kingdom of God, here on earth.
red blood relative

United States

#432 Jun 26, 2012
Gerald wrote:
<quoted text>
little lamb.
So this confirms that you believe and recognize that the group Jesus' BROTHERS and the group SHEEP are two different groups?
We JW's believe that there is only one HOPE, hope of everlasting life, based on John 3:16.
There is one HOPE but two destination. Read Matthew 5:3 and Matthew 5:5.
But based on the Bible there are CHOSEN or ANNOINTED ones who have the privelege of reigning together with Jesus in the Kingdom of God. But the HOPE of everalasting life will also be enjoyed by those who will be subjects of the Kingdom of God, here on earth.
gerry, when jesus told peter to feed his little sheep, who was he talking about?.... who are his sheep ?.... who does the faithful and discreet slave feed?

of course there is going to be a second resurrection for the ignorant the unbelievers and the wicked, all after the bride of christ is ruling during the 1000 yrs......... but before that happens, those who refuse the bread and wine have NO PART in the christian congregation..... its a dragnet, and god does the sorting out.... not you jerry, not your gov body by claiming the door is closed...... there is only one body of christians before the first resurrection.

you better get the blood of jesus on you geladine..... or you won't be one of those taken from every tribe tongue people and nation with a white robe on, washed in the blood of the lamb handling the priestly duties before the throne of god.
.... if you refuse the blood of christ, you belong to the reject pile.

the name of my dog is SAM

Philadelphia, PA

#433 Jun 26, 2012
I hope to be one of the other sheep.
Gerald

Asia/Pacific Region

#434 Jun 26, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
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gerry, when jesus told peter to feed his little sheep, who was he talking about?.... who are his sheep ?.... who does the faithful and discreet slave feed?
of course there is going to be a second resurrection for the ignorant the unbelievers and the wicked, all after the bride of christ is ruling during the 1000 yrs......... but before that happens, those who refuse the bread and wine have NO PART in the christian congregation..... its a dragnet, and god does the sorting out.... not you jerry, not your gov body by claiming the door is closed...... there is only one body of christians before the first resurrection.
you better get the blood of jesus on you geladine..... or you won't be one of those taken from every tribe tongue people and nation with a white robe on, washed in the blood of the lamb handling the priestly duties before the throne of god.
.... if you refuse the blood of christ, you belong to the reject pile.
Monthly Period.

You keep on insisting that those who does not drink Jesus blood and eat Jesus body are rejected.

Does the Bible teach that everyone, meaning all, should partake in Jesus body and drink his blood in order to be accepted by God?

And regarding the time of fulfillment of Matthew 24:45, does this scripture show that this will be fulfilled during the millenial reign? You are very wrong Monthly Period! Read the whole chapter, the fulfillment of this scriptures is during the last days, this last days where we live in.

Also I recalled my qustion from my previous post, I asked this question to all of you and you didn't answer it.

Here it goes again, "according to the Bible, what is the meaning of dressed in white robe?"

Since: Mar 09

United States

#435 Jun 26, 2012
Those who deny the Other Sheep and the Great Crowd, are going against the reality of the Bible, and even the "Lord's Prayer". Psalm 37:10,11, all of Isaiah 65...Rev. 21:1-4. There are many more.
Disciple

United States

#436 Jun 26, 2012
Gerald said>> Here it goes again, "according to the Bible, what is the meaning of dressed in white robe?"

Disciple>> Why is it you expect everyone to answer your questions but you egnore questions given to you?

Those mentioned in 1 John 3:7,= being "right with God. their souls/spirits wind up where the faithful of old wound up...Hebrews 11:13-16,('heaven, and Matth. 8:11,('heaven').

Rev. 19:1,(in heaven), Rev 7:9,(in Heaven.)

Christians are simply using the promises given to 'each believer,(the congregation as a whole).

Romans 8:9-- is relating to all all believers,(the congregations as a whole mentioned above. above. 1 John 3:24, ; 4:4, 13, 15, ; 5:20. prove s the WT 'book' studies are not of God.

They tell us only 144000 have the holy spirit,(the spirit of God, and Christ in them. Given these scriptures, its plain to see that the 'book' studies have 'always' been wrong.


That teaching leaves 99.99% of JW lacking,(2 Corinthians 13:5 in light of their teaching that Romans 8:9--is not applying to each believer.

Gerald

Asia/Pacific Region

#437 Jun 27, 2012
Disciple wrote:
Gerald said>> Here it goes again, "according to the Bible, what is the meaning of dressed in white robe?"
Disciple>> Why is it you expect everyone to answer your questions but you egnore questions given to you?
Those mentioned in 1 John 3:7,= being "right with God. their souls/spirits wind up where the faithful of old wound up...Hebrews 11:13-16,('heaven, and Matth. 8:11,('heaven').
Rev. 19:1,(in heaven), Rev 7:9,(in Heaven.)
Christians are simply using the promises given to 'each believer,(the congregation as a whole).
Romans 8:9-- is relating to all all believers,(the congregations as a whole mentioned above. above. 1 John 3:24, ; 4:4, 13, 15, ; 5:20. prove s the WT 'book' studies are not of God.
They tell us only 144000 have the holy spirit,(the spirit of God, and Christ in them. Given these scriptures, its plain to see that the 'book' studies have 'always' been wrong.
That teaching leaves 99.99% of JW lacking,(2 Corinthians 13:5 in light of their teaching that Romans 8:9--is not applying to each believer.
Desciple.

You better ask Lanny about the rule of arguments and debate.
Answer my question and stop side stepping.

Since: Feb 09

United States

#438 Jun 27, 2012
Gerald wrote:
<quoted text>
Monthly Period.
You keep on insisting that those who does not drink Jesus blood and eat Jesus body are rejected.
Does the Bible teach that everyone, meaning all, should partake in Jesus body and drink his blood in order to be accepted by God?
And regarding the time of fulfillment of Matthew 24:45, does this scripture show that this will be fulfilled during the millenial reign? You are very wrong Monthly Period! Read the whole chapter, the fulfillment of this scriptures is during the last days, this last days where we live in.
Also I recalled my qustion from my previous post, I asked this question to all of you and you didn't answer it.
Here it goes again, "according to the Bible, what is the meaning of dressed in white robe?"
RBR is correct. If it is your belief that these are the Biblical last days and that will soon be coming with the clouds and all his angels at Armageddon, it is absolutely imperative that ALL of his disciples partake of the bread and wine in symbol of his flesh and blood.

Jesus gave his apostles strict orders to 'keep on doing this in remembrance of me' until he returns. Since you do not believe that Christ returned immediately after the Jewish great tribulation in the first century, you MUST continue that memorial until he comes back.

If you do not partake of it then you are showing yourself to be disobedient and unworthy of being one of Jesus' sheep that he will save. The sheep LISTEN to Jesus and they OBEY him. The sheep do listen to men whose opinions change when their Watchtower predictions fail.

Who REALLY is your master? Jesus? Or your governing body?

Since: Feb 09

United States

#439 Jun 27, 2012
Gerald wrote:
Also I recalled my qustion from my previous post, I asked this question to all of you and you didn't answer it.
Here it goes again, "according to the Bible, what is the meaning of dressed in white robe?"
Righteousness.

Since: Feb 09

United States

#440 Jun 27, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Those who deny the Other Sheep and the Great Crowd, are going against the reality of the Bible, and even the "Lord's Prayer". Psalm 37:10,11, all of Isaiah 65...Rev. 21:1-4. There are many more.
No one here is denying the other sheep and the great crowd. All we are saying is that according to the Biblate book of Ephesians, the other sheepfold that Jesus was referring to were the gentiles.

The blood of Jesus removed the wall that had once separated the Jew from the rest of the nations. Now the two had become one flock in the faith of God and Jesus Christ.

Now both the Jew and those of the nations inherit the kingdom of the heavens with Abraham, Sarah, the prophets and apostles.

This is the only hope for obedient mankind. But you struggle to hold on to your hope of living on this planet forever. In this way you are more like the Saduccees who were determined to hold on to their belief that there was no resurrection.

The Saduccees were proven wrong.

So will you.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#441 Jun 27, 2012
CIA Free wrote:
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No one here is denying the other sheep and the great crowd. All we are saying is that according to the Biblate book of Ephesians, the other sheepfold that Jesus was referring to were the gentiles.
The blood of Jesus removed the wall that had once separated the Jew from the rest of the nations. Now the two had become one flock in the faith of God and Jesus Christ.
Now both the Jew and those of the nations inherit the kingdom of the heavens with Abraham, Sarah, the prophets and apostles.
This is the only hope for obedient mankind. But you struggle to hold on to your hope of living on this planet forever. In this way you are more like the Saduccees who were determined to hold on to their belief that there was no resurrection.
The Saduccees were proven wrong.
So will you.
Bingo!

Ephesians 2:11-18
King James Version (KJV)

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Gerald

Makati, Philippines

#442 Jun 27, 2012
CIA Free wrote:
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RBR is correct. If it is your belief that these are the Biblical last days and that will soon be coming with the clouds and all his angels at Armageddon, it is absolutely imperative that ALL of his disciples partake of the bread and wine in symbol of his flesh and blood.
Jesus gave his apostles strict orders to 'keep on doing this in remembrance of me' until he returns. Since you do not believe that Christ returned immediately after the Jewish great tribulation in the first century, you MUST continue that memorial until he comes back.
If you do not partake of it then you are showing yourself to be disobedient and unworthy of being one of Jesus' sheep that he will save. The sheep LISTEN to Jesus and they OBEY him. The sheep do listen to men whose opinions change when their Watchtower predictions fail.
Who REALLY is your master? Jesus? Or your governing body?
CIA. So you are part of Jesus body?

Prove it!

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