Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Doomsday Cult?

Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Doomsday Cult?

Created by CIA Free on Dec 1, 2012

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Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#41 Dec 3, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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For me...I found that leaving what I NOW know is an evil and spiritually damaging cult....and once clearing my thoughts of "all things Watchtower"....that I began to love and appreciate our Grand Creator and His love ever so much more than viewing Him from the cramped and very limiting box the GB has placed Him in. He is so much more than I ever realized and the GB presents Him in such a stunted and restrictive way....on purpose.
While developing this NEW love and appreciation for the Creator of all mankind....it stands to reason that we would ALSO learn to love and appreciate even MORE....His Son, HIS principles, HIS teachings....and HIS sacrifice made on our behalf.
It all goes hand in hand once a person gets out from under the WTS cloud of doom and gloom.
I completely agree.

I believe that Jehovah's Witnesses and people who are caught up in similar types of doomsday-based religions like Harold Camping, need our concern and prayers now more than ever. Some of these groups are becoming more and more desperate as they try to defend their beliefs in futility.

Their beliefs have failed them. Their leaders have failed them. They just refuse to see it. Many are in denial about it. If the Watchtower has specific information about when the end is coming it should clearly state it just as Jesus did when he foretold of the coming end of that Jewish generation at the hands of the Romans. Jesus was very specific about the events that would lead up to it.

Matt. 24:
1 As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings.

2 But he responded,“Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
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What?! When will this happen and your return?

Jesus went on and said this:

1) There will be Jesus impostors
2) There will be wars
3) There will be famine and outbreak of diseases
4) Disciples will be persecuted and many killed
5) Good news to be preached by his apostles
6) The Roman army shows up at Jerusalem; then leaves
7) Christians flee the city
8) The Romans return and there is great tribulation among the Jews
9) Immediately after the tribulation the sign of the Son of man appears

All of this was specific to that first century generation. Now, the Witnesses say that this prophecy must be fulfilled again today. If so, they should be just as specific as Jesus was about when and how this is to occur.

If they can't, then why should anyone bother listening to them after so many failures by them in the past?

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#42 Dec 3, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
The best thing is for people to decide for themselves if Jehovah's Witnesses are a "doomsday cult" or not.
"The best way to decide if murder is wrong or not is to let someone kill you!"

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Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#43 Dec 3, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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This is what Jehovah's Witnesses ACTUALLY said about 1914:
*** WT, January 1, 1908 (reprint) page 4110 ***
With regard to 1914: "We are not prophesying; we are merely giving our surmises ... We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology. We have merely laid these before you, leaving it for each to exercise his own faith or doubt in respect to them"
Here's what the cult really said about 1914:

From the July 15, 1894 Watchtower

R1677 : page 226

CAN IT BE DELAYED UNTIL 1914?

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Seventeen years ago people said, concerning the time features presented in MILLENNIAL DAWN, They seem reasonable in many respects, but surely no such radical changes could occur between now and the close of 1914: if you
had proved that they would come about in a century or two, it would seem much more probable.

What changes have since occurred, and what velocity is gained daily!

"The old is quickly passing, and the new is coming in."

Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain.

We see no reason for changing the figures--nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the View presented in the WATCH TOWER of Jan. 15,'92. We advise that it be read again.

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Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#44 Dec 3, 2012
Also from the cult concerning 1914:

1995 "Why Awake is Published" [before Nov 8th 1995] Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away."

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Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#45 Dec 3, 2012
Some of that "generation (of 1914)" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that!(The Watchtower, March 1, 1984 pp. 18-19)

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Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#46 Dec 3, 2012
Here's a great one. Notice how when another of their prophecies fails they simply change the article and republish it. LOL.

"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1989, p. 12 [bound volume changed "20th century" to "day"])

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Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#47 Dec 3, 2012
"Today, a small percentage of mankind can still recall the dramatic events of 1914. Will that elderly generation pass away before God saves the earth from ruin? Not according to Bible prophecy.'When you see all these things,' Jesus PROMISED,'know that he is near at the doors. Truly I say to you that THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.'- Matthew 24:33, 34." (Watchtower May 1, 1992 page 3: The Year That Shocked The World)

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Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#48 Dec 3, 2012
Here you can even see the blasphemous Watchtower putting words in Jesus' mouth:

"Jehovah's prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: "This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur." [1]

Note that in the above quote, the "[of 1914]" was not added by me. It is in the Watchtower article.

Reference:

[1] May 15, 1984 Watchtower, pages 6-7.

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Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#49 Dec 3, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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You are the queen of gloom and doom. Everything you speak about Jehovah's Witnesses is gloom and doom, even if you have to beg other people to help you manufacture it.
I know you weren't talking to me, but you're a lying windbag so I don't care.

The truth is that everything about your religion is doom and gloom. That's because you're in a false religion.

You want to have real hope and peace in your life then leave the cult behind and reach out to Jesus.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Houston, TX

#50 Dec 3, 2012
Most major religions have apocalyptic teachings of one kind or another. The grand theme of the Bible starts with the founding of the world in Genesis and on many occasions speaks of the conclusion of this system of things in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.

In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.

The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy. Daniel 2:44,45

The difference between Jehovah's Witnesses and other religions is they actually believe what they teach. Most individuals in other religions have little confidence in end time prophecies or an after life in heaven or hell for that matter. The fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have faith in their own teachings doesn't make them a "doomsday cult."

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#51 Dec 3, 2012
Sparlock wrote:
Here you can even see the blasphemous Watchtower putting words in Jesus' mouth:
"Jehovah's prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: "This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur." [1]
Note that in the above quote, the "[of 1914]" was not added by me. It is in the Watchtower article.
Reference:
[1] May 15, 1984 Watchtower, pages 6-7.
Wow. That one got by me. Thanks for posting. This is what makes them the doomsday cult that they are -- their consistent belief that THESE are the last days for over the last 100 years.

Every generation of Jehovah's Witnesses sincerely believe the same thing about their particular generation.

Charles Russell believed the end was imminent in his day and then he died.

Judge Rutherford believed the end was coming in his day, then he died.

Nathan Knorr believed the end was at hand in his day, then he took a dirt nap.

Fred Franz just knew the end was going to come in 1975 before he died; it did not, and soon only the groundhog could bring him his subscriptions to the Watchtower and Awake! magazines.

That's the problem with groups like this. They want people to listen to and believe them. But how can they when the Witnesses are not being truthful to begin with? The sooner they face the reality that they have no idea when and if this world will end. And stop calling themselves the TRUTH when they are clearly lying.

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#52 Dec 3, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
Most major religions have apocalyptic teachings of one kind or another. The grand theme of the Bible starts with the founding of the world in Genesis and on many occasions speaks of the conclusion of this system of things in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.
Yes, many do believe that Jesus will come back some day in the future, but they don't make it the over-arching theme of their religion like Jehovah's Witnesses have clearly done for over 100 years.

As mentioned many times before and recently even by the Watchtower on DVD, the conclusion of the system of things that Jesus foretold came upon the Jews in the first century when the Romans came and destroyed their nation and their holy city Jerusalem with it's temple. That prophecy was fulfilled in complete detail. There is no further or major fulfillment to occur again in the future. Bible prophecies uniquely have only on fulfillment. If you have proof that a Bible prophecy has been fulfilled twice, please show it.

True, Jerusalem was destroyed twice by a foreign nation, but look closely, those were two different prophecies!
Dream-weaver wrote:
In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
Prophecy fulfilled!

That kingdom was set up under Jesus in heaven in the first century. All those kingdoms were destroyed. Where is Babylon? Where is Media-Persia? Where are Greece and the Roman empires? They are gone! They were each consumed by the the empire that succeeded it until finally Jesus Christ crushed them all. Now God's kingdom under Jesus Christ stands forever in heaven.
Dream-weaver wrote:
The difference between Jehovah's Witnesses and other religions is they actually believe what they teach. Most individuals in other religions have little confidence in end time prophecies or an after life in heaven or hell for that matter. The fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have faith in their own teachings doesn't make them a "doomsday cult."
I know that Witnesses believe their own end-time speculations. But they are simply wrong about it. That's all. Jesus gave no prophecy about bringing the world to an end today. You have taken his words to his then living apostles completely out of it's first century context in a futile attempt to make it apply today. But it will never fit and therefore your religion will always be wrong about it.

There is no third temple in Jerusalem that is destined for destruction by the fourth world power (Romans) in the Bible. Also, Jesus punished the nation of Israel for all her sins and killing God's prophets nearly 2,000 years ago. There is no need for him to do that again.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Spring, TX

#53 Dec 3, 2012
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, many do believe that Jesus will come back some day in the future, but they don't make it the over-arching theme of their religion like Jehovah's Witnesses have clearly done for over 100 years.

As mentioned many times before and recently even by the Watchtower on DVD, the conclusion of the system of things that Jesus foretold came upon the Jews in the first century when the Romans came and destroyed their nation and their holy city Jerusalem with it's temple. That prophecy was fulfilled in complete detail. There is no further or major fulfillment to occur again in the future. Bible prophecies uniquely have only on fulfillment. If you have proof that a Bible prophecy has been fulfilled twice, please show it.

True, Jerusalem was destroyed twice by a foreign nation, but look closely, those were two different prophecies!

Dream-weaver wrote, "
In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
"

Prophecy fulfilled!

That kingdom was set up under Jesus in heaven in the first century. All those kingdoms were destroyed. Where is Babylon? Where is Media-Persia? Where are Greece and the Roman empires? They are gone! They were each consumed by the the empire that succeeded it until finally Jesus Christ crushed them all. Now God's kingdom under Jesus Christ stands forever in heaven.

Dream-weaver wrote, "
The difference between Jehovah's Witnesses and other religions is they actually believe what they teach. Most individuals in other religions have little confidence in end time prophecies or an after life in heaven or hell for that matter. The fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have faith in their own teachings doesn't make them a "doomsday cult.""

I know that Witnesses believe their own end-time speculations. But they are simply wrong about it. That's all. Jesus gave no prophecy about bringing the world to an end today. You have taken his words to his then living apostles completely out of it's first century context in a futile attempt to make it apply today. But it will never fit and therefore your religion will always be wrong about it.

There is no third temple in Jerusalem that is destined for destruction by the fourth world power (Romans) in the Bible. Also, Jesus punished the nation of Israel for all her sins and killing God's prophets nearly 2,000 years ago. There is no need for him to do that again.
Daniel 2:44 clearly states that God's Kingdom "will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever."

There's certainly been no major fullfullment of Daniel 2:44 as numerous human governments, even those that are tyrannical are still in existence.

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Since: Dec 09

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#54 Dec 3, 2012
Can someone be a cold hearted bitch in nearly every post, and then suddenly start quoting scripture and expect to be taken seriously?
Prime

United States

#55 Dec 3, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
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Daniel 2:44 clearly states that God's Kingdom "will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever."
There's certainly been no major fullfullment of Daniel 2:44 as numerous human governments, even those that are tyrannical are still in existence.
The answer to the title of the thread is, absolutely 100% yes!

Take your red herrings and set them on your strawman Alice!

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Spring, TX

#56 Dec 3, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
Can someone be a cold hearted bitch in nearly every post, and then suddenly start quoting scripture and expect to be taken seriously?
You're such a little fa-got. Go hijack someone else's thread.

Since: Feb 09

Washington, DC

#57 Dec 3, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
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Daniel 2:44 clearly states that God's Kingdom "will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever."
There's certainly been no major fullfullment of Daniel 2:44 as numerous human governments, even those that are tyrannical are still in existence.
Pay attention to what you are reading. Read it again. It said that God's kingdom will crush "those" kingdoms -- those 4 kingdoms mentioned specifically in this prophecy. They were Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. That's it. They were represented by only 4 beasts because there were only 4 kingdoms till the arrival of the Messiah.

Jesus came during the reign of the 4th beast, Rome. It was unusually strong and that is why it was represented by iron.

There was nothing in the prophets or from Jesus about the nations on earth today. All inspired prophecy and scripture ended with Jesus. There are no inspired prophecies for our world today because none are necessary. We have all that we need and are already benefiting from the ransom of Jesus Christ that has redeemed all of our souls from everlasting oblivion.
Mardana

Dixon, CA

#58 Dec 3, 2012
Sparlock wrote:
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Here you can even see the blasphemous Watchtower putting words in Jesus' mouth:

"Jehovah's prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: "This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur." [1]

.

Note that in the above quote, the "[of 1914]" was not added by me.

It is in the Watchtower article.

Reference:
[1] May 15, 1984 Watchtower, pages 6-7.
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Thank you for posting all of those WT quotes.

This one is definitely a keeper.

As you said, it was blasphemous for the WTS to put words in Jesus' mouth in order to line up with their peculiar teachings.
Prime

United States

#59 Dec 3, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
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You're such a little fa-got. Go hijack someone else's thread.
Alice, why do you need to talk like a homophobic racist?

Is it that the man you fell in love with is just like you, but the man you married left you for a beautiful Mexican or black woman?

Could it be something far worse, like your Jehovah's witness ex-boyfriend use to beat the crap out of you because you never cleaned the trailer? What exactly is your sad story?

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Spring, TX

#60 Dec 3, 2012
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>Pay attention to what you are reading. Read it again. It said that God's kingdom will crush "those" kingdoms -- those 4 kingdoms mentioned specifically in this prophecy. They were Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. That's it. They were represented by only 4 beasts because there were only 4 kingdoms till the arrival of the Messiah.

Jesus came during the reign of the 4th beast, Rome. It was unusually strong and that is why it was represented by iron.

There was nothing in the prophets or from Jesus about the nations on earth today. All inspired prophecy and scripture ended with Jesus. There are no inspired prophecies for our world today because none are necessary. We have all that we need and are already benefiting from the ransom of Jesus Christ that has redeemed all of our souls from everlasting oblivion.
Some translations render the term "these."

http://bible.cc/daniel/2-44.htm

That's neither here nor there. Daniel reveal that the rock that stuck the feet of statue was of supernatural origins (the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces), not an invasion by a rival kingdom.

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