Is "Trinity Jesus" actually the Devil??
little lamb

Australia

#21 Jun 3, 2012
All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching reproving and setting matters straight.

Trinity , can't be found in scripture..so its not a word from GOD.

Therefore the dogma is wrong but the person who believes in the theology still has a measure of FAITH in Jesus..

that means we can attack the ideology, but not the person, because the person could even be showing more fruitage of the spirit then us, and we have a responsibility to encourage that persons FAITH..

Jesus warns us , if we stumble one of his little sheep we are in deep trouble..

We also have to recognise that the person is still obeying Jesus in other matters and we can learn from them as well

Because iron sharpens iron

It just means Faith in Jesus should always be encouraged and LIES exposed and light of the gospel to be shined on the darkness.
Lannymac

United States

#22 Jun 3, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Trinity is not found in scripture..
Your cult masters think and say otherwise.

That's why they prohibit you from reading the bible exclusively, only with their comic books telling you what to think and believe.

If that's not a clear and obvious indication that you're in a demon-inspired cult, then perhaps God's word is indeed insufficient.

But anyone who loves God knows that your cult masters' "insufficient" lie is just that...a lie from the pit of hell.

You'll have NO EXCUSE when you stand before Christ.

You will stutter and stammer trying to come up with some excuse to justify rejecting God's word for comic books filled with doctrines from demons.

No excuse will justify you going out seeking converts to corrupt their minds with your wicked comic books either.

There's a judgment that awaits ALL who have raged against God, and it ain't that comic book "thousand year judgment" foolishness you're out door peddling.

Except you repent, you will soon learn just how foolish you were to believe the WTS rather than God.
Lannymac

United States

#23 Jun 3, 2012
little lamb wrote:
All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching reproving and setting matters straight.
Trinity , can't be found in scripture..so its not a word from GOD.
Therefore the dogma is wrong but the person who believes in the theology still has a measure of FAITH in Jesus..
that means we can attack the ideology, but not the person, because the person could even be showing more fruitage of the spirit then us, and we have a responsibility to encourage that persons FAITH..
Jesus warns us , if we stumble one of his little sheep we are in deep trouble..
We also have to recognise that the person is still obeying Jesus in other matters and we can learn from them as well
Because iron sharpens iron
It just means Faith in Jesus should always be encouraged and LIES exposed and light of the gospel to be shined on the darkness.
Lol..this coming from someone obedient to her cult masters COMMAND that she not read the bible unless she has a a WTS comic book telling her what to think and believe.

Lamb, you ain't shining light on nothing, because their is NO light in you.

The WTS doctrines are from demons, thus they are of DARKNESS and will lead to UTTER DARKNESS.

Btw...since you read comic books in place of the bible, you don't know that the bible warns against having a measure of faith in "another" christ.

If your faith ain't in the TRUE CHRIST, a measure of faith in some other christ won't gain you squat, but UTTER DARKNESS.

If you think otherwise, prove me wrong using God's word, not with your usual rambling mumbled jumbled cult talk, okay.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#24 Jun 3, 2012
little lamb wrote:
All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching reproving and setting matters straight.
Trinity , can't be found in scripture..so its not a word from GOD.
Therefore the dogma is wrong but the person who believes in the theology still has a measure of FAITH in Jesus..
that means we can attack the ideology, but not the person, because the person could even be showing more fruitage of the spirit then us, and we have a responsibility to encourage that persons FAITH..
Jesus warns us , if we stumble one of his little sheep we are in deep trouble..
We also have to recognise that the person is still obeying Jesus in other matters and we can learn from them as well
Because iron sharpens iron
It just means Faith in Jesus should always be encouraged and LIES exposed and light of the gospel to be shined on the darkness.
Trinity is found in the bible you just refuse to recognize it .

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#25 Jun 5, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
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It's fairly obvious heaven and earth are different realms, one spirit (heaven), one flesh (earth).
" they were born, not from blood... but from God"
(John 1:12-13). . .However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name; 13 and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.
"It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body."
(1 Corinthians 15:42-44) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power. 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 
" the power of an indestructible life"
(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said:“You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”
" The last Adam became a life-giving spirit."
(1 Corinthians 15:45-49) It is even so written:“The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 Nevertheless, the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven. 48 As the one made of dust is, so those made of dust are also; and as the heavenly one is, so those who are heavenly are also. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one.
" this which is mortal must put on immortality."
(1 Corinthians 15:50-57) However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written:“Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting producing death is sin, but the power for sin is the Law. 57 But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!
Yes heaven and earth are different as night and day,yet the watch tower teaches heaven will be on earth.
Nothing here even remotely answers my question.
This post.
Quote.(1 Corinthians 15:50-57) However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
The Apostle Paul was not addressing Jesus,are you saying Jesus was corrupt before he was crucified?
So where is the verse of Holy Scripture that says Jesus was resurrected only as a spirit being??
Luke 24v39.
Behold my hands and my feet, that IT IS I MYSELF: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
As you rightly have say'd ,if its not a teaching from God,then it must be from Satan.
Where is it Point? Cant you find it?
Is it not there to be found?
Then as you say yourself,its a teaching of Satan.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#26 Jun 5, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes heaven and earth are different as night and day,yet the watch tower teaches heaven will be on earth.
Nothing here even remotely answers my question.
This post.
Quote.(1 Corinthians 15:50-57) However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
The Apostle Paul was not addressing Jesus,are you saying Jesus was corrupt before he was crucified?
So where is the verse of Holy Scripture that says Jesus was resurrected only as a spirit being??
Luke 24v39.
Behold my hands and my feet, that IT IS I MYSELF: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
As you rightly have say'd ,if its not a teaching from God,then it must be from Satan.
Where is it Point? Cant you find it?
Is it not there to be found?
Then as you say yourself,its a teaching of Satan.
They refuse to believe JESUS' own words that His resurrected body was make of flesh and bones . He also made the point that He was not a spirit.(It's like He is speaking specifically to the JW'S !!) teaching that denies jESUS, THAT CALL hIM A LIAR is indeed a teaching of Satan.
Chicken Soup

Philadelphia, PA

#27 Jun 5, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
"Trinity Jesus" Dubious Fruitage in it's Believers?
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"CSI: Babylon the Great"; Christendom Part 2 - How the Church BTG Sub-Racket Works (The Self-Will Delusions of "Trinity Jesus")
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What The Real Jesus Christ IS and Taught:
Jesus Christ taught love, mercy and self sacrifice as the goal for human beings to attain LIFE, as a model example human being. By doing this perfectly Jesus Christ was sanctifying God's name, and glorifying Jehovah's sovereignty by obeying the greatest 'love commandments' of God while on earth.
This is the basis of God's "will done on earth, as in heaven"; Matt6:10. Jesus Christ was a human representative of God, to teach human beings the truth. These faithful humans will be on earth to enjoy that will being done; Matt6:10; Rev21:1-5;
Revelation 21:1-5; 22:1-3 fulfills God's will and purpose for earth and humans in Genesis 1:27-28. That is why Jesus Christ is first the perfect human exemplar of perfect worship and integrity to God; (Matt26:42)
Jesus Christ's absolute moral integrity to God first, and God's will first, was what the whole teaching in Jesus Christ is all about in love of Jehovah Almighty God, and loving your neighbor/brother and enemy as yourself. By this human perfection, the real Jesus Christ became also a perfect human atonement sacrifice for all mankind; 1John2:2; 1Tim2:5; John3:16.
(1 Peter 2:21-24) In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely. 22 He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth. 23 When he was being reviled, he did not go reviling in return. When he was suffering, he did not go threatening, but kept on committing himself to the one who judges righteously. 24 He himself bore our sins in his own body upon the stake, in order that we might be done with sins and live to righteousness.
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Danger: "Trinity Jesus" Worships Himself
The "Jesus" of the Trinity is a diametrically opposed logic in that Babylonian Greek/Roman metaphysic which produced this anti-christian error and lie well after the first century Christians who NEVER believed in any such lies; (See [1]) What this does psychologically, is create in the mind of believers of this lie a "Jesus" who worships himself, does his own will, and is equal to God Almighty the Father. This also is dangerously blaspheming the holy spirit, therefore a demonic criminal as a human being is pictured in "Trinity Jesus". Obviously this cannot be a good influence on a human being, nor can it ever be rewarded with life from God, but it will suffer divine termination in time along with all who worship this philosophical human idol as "god"; (2Thess2:6-12; 1Tim4:1-2
Sam>>
there is no trinity God so Jesus can not be part of it.even Satan can not be part of the trinity since the trinity does exist.
just a game satan plays to try to stop the true worship of Jehovah God Almighty.satan don`t care who you worship so long as its not Jehovah God the Almighty.
since the trinity is a mystery satan has people worshiping a mystery God who they don`t know or have an understanding of.

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#28 Jun 5, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> They refuse to believe JESUS' own words that His resurrected body was make of flesh and bones . He also made the point that He was not a spirit.(It's like He is speaking specifically to the JW'S !!) teaching that denies jESUS, THAT CALL hIM A LIAR is indeed a teaching of Satan.
Yes Dee they'd sooner believe the words spoken by the false prophets of the watch tower and written by the liar Franz.
Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
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42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
It is because verses of Holy Scripture like these Dee. that they wrote the NWT.

Those deceived by watch tower look for an earthly home which God says will be destroyed by fire. While his redeemed have his promise.
Hebrews 11v16.
But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

A city that Abraham saw by faith in v 10.
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#29 Jun 13, 2012
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rachel123 wrote:
Yes heaven and earth are different as night and day,yet the watch tower teaches heaven will be on earth.

Nothing here even remotely answers my question.

This post.

Quote.(1 Corinthians 15:50-57) However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

The Apostle Paul was not addressing Jesus,are you saying Jesus was corrupt before he was crucified?
Jesus was not Adamic so he was sinless in spirit and body. Adam's transgression was by spirit death, it took his body a long time to finally succumb to the death.

But from the first transgression, that day he died, his body instantly reflected the spirit corruption. Today humans are at 1/10th the "charge" Adam had, if that, so th spirit corrupted the flesh, that continued to help corrupt more spiritually, and it is a mad cycle of destruction that Satan oversees "having the ability to cause death"; (Heb 2:14, but not because he is actual sovereign, but he is permitted to absorb mankind to attempt to sully "God's image".

Mankind in Adam and Eve gave Satan the "in", from that corruption entry point, Satan is the master power of sin and corruption, he himself is a manslayer and addicted to human vices, he is a weak failure, he lost control; Gen6

But from that spiritual death, and that evil angelic spirit operating through human error Satan is attempting a total destruction of the earth, but he being an addict himself, he is in no rush to "ruin the earth" so severly that his addictions cannot be served up by humans he enters.

BUT that is going to change when he gets the Ezekiel 38-39 awareness the abyss is next, as the "King of the North" get's reports that "disturb him" Satan as king "from the remotest parts of the north" will be drawn into his final destruction mode of GT climax. So will his "congregation", Gog's "crowd".

So man is 6000 years in that hole, humans are not going to simply release themselves from a supernatural enemy the likes of that mighty angel Satan, even anointed in his former righteousness to oversee Eden; Eze 28:14, so he is no regular angel, he is going to need a jackhammer and piledriver to get him out of this realm, and that is exactly what is coming.

So Christ is going to have to drag these miscreants to the hole, after 6000 years of angelic powered lust and addiction you can bet they don't want to give up their addicted lifestyle for "bread and water" in that pit, with only their own memories and each other to keep them company.

So they are going to put up one angry and mean fight to destroy all they can before they go, and to resist that incarceration.

In the meantime man will have the final separation of sheep and goats up to this final period. Then man will be in a spiritual vacuum, that must be filled by something, and that is last Adam, the "life giving spirit".

Christ is the only being who has answered Satan's charges and temptations as angel and man, so he is in a unique position to apply either his immortal spirit nature, or his perfect fleshly nature, he has both, but his body was a sacrifice.

Look up the word sacrifice and see what it means.

If Christ kept that body as a man, it would not be a sacrifice now would it.

So that body has been "partaken" of by the 144000 as that completes. They are a "bride". Christ is the Eternal Father of Isa 9:6. Christ fathers no one in heaven, they are all his brothers, they all have Jehovah as the Father.

So that bride has the capacity to be fruitful for Christ, former human beings who can, like Christ, access that perfection to apply to humans, the "bread of heaven" because Christ is the "second man from heaven". He is God's perfect image as a man when he came for this reason of replacing dead, devil worshiping Adam.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#30 Jun 13, 2012
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The "New Jerusalem" comes down from heaven in spiritual healing power to "bear" Christ's new human children in his form as a perfect man, NOT Adam's.

Like Adam though Christ has encapsulated in that "God's image" creation everything that is God's image as a man. He has all human talents and abilities which after Adam, go forth in various ways, Adam was the master pattern of God's image, before he lost it.

Christ and the 144000 have that perfection, but are spirit beings, because spirit is the thing that defines the human soul AND it's body. Once the spirit corrupts, the body dies as with Adam. Once the spirit leaves even a fly, or a dog, or a man, the body no longer knows bounds keeping it together, the spirit keeps the body defined, when it is absent, the bosy returns to dust, it deconstructs, nothing is in it to "keep it together", to define it's "body", to maintain it's form.

That spirit is what Christ has; John 6, BUT he also has perfect flesh, because Adam's corrupted as his spirit corrupted, death and sin "reside" in, "dwell in" Adam's flesh:

(Romans 7:16-20) 16 However, if what I do not wish is what I do, I agree that the Law is fine. 17 But now the one working it out is no longer I, but sin that resides in me. 18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells nothing good; for ability to wish is present with me, but ability to work out what is fine is not [present]. 19 For the good that I wish I do not do, but the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. 20 If, now, what I do not wish is what I do, the one working it out is no longer I, but the sin dwelling in me.

(James 4:5). . .Or does it seem to you that the scripture says to no purpose:“It is with a tendency to envy that the spirit which has taken up residence within us keeps longing”?

Satan's own spiritual death is the source of that covetousness, that envy, everything wrong with him by self-will, he is "imaging" into mankind a day at a time.

So reversing this reality takes a new spirit that does not suffer from what Satan's own septic nature has created even in him and the demons, they have lost all control, they are slaves to a power beyond them operating in them by their own transgression, and that has affected mankind, and had God not put limitations on them, Genesis 6 would have rendered the human race ruined, but God cut those days short, and bound the demons in limits.

But God does allow the controversy to continue for an appointed time; (Isa24:21-22)

So man will need a life giving spirit and a new body, and all that entails, and the new knowledge system to maintain it all in a paradise earth life system that reflects that great change from death and corruption, to everlasing life and God's care and blessing.

That's going to take time and an iron rod, and the 144000 will be interacting with man, just as Satan did and was capable of doing, but of course not with murderous hateful intent.

(Micah 5:7-8)

The Blessing:

“And the remaining ones of Jacob must become in the midst of many peoples like dew from Jehovah (life everlasting), like copious showers upon vegetation, that does not hope for man or wait for the sons of earthling man.(Psalm 133:3)

Or the malediction:

8 And the remaining ones of Jacob must become among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of a forest, like a maned young lion among droves of sheep, which, when it actually passes through, certainly both tramples down and tears in pieces; and there is no deliverer.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#31 Jun 13, 2012
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Many will learn the right way, a few will try to resist the truth even in paradise:

(Isaiah 26:10) Though the wicked one should be shown favor, he simply will not learn righteousness. In the land of straightforwardness he will act unjustly and will not see the eminence of Jehovah.

But that "comes down from heaven" interaction is for a reason, to establish perfect knowledge systems, and operations, that humans just don't know what is what since Adam, and that is not going to change over night, the human race must be "shepherded to waters of life" and that "river" soon affects all life on earth; Eze47:3-9; Rev22:1-3

So part of the reason for the 144000 is to bring mankind to humble reality of how to actually live forever and do things here on earth to sustain that, so they must be able to interact like humans (hence Jehovah picked humans), but have the power of the Mighty God to keep law and order in paradise:

(1 Corinthians 1:26-31) For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; 27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the strong things to shame; 28 and God chose the ignoble things of the world and the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are, 29 in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God. 30 But it is due to him that you are in union with Christ Jesus, who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom; 31 that it may be just as it is written:“He that boasts, let him boast in Jehovah.”

And people will have to watch their p's and q's, who knows where they might be:

(John 3:8) The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone that has been born from the spirit.”

Either way no more killing, raping, thieving etc will be going on in paradise let's put it that way, EVEN demons will get their "egg" smashed and there is nothing they can do to stop it; (Numbers 24:17; Gen3:14-15; Rom16:20). God is done with that way on earth, but Satan will tempt a perfected human race as he did Adam and Christ so men can settle the sovereign issue on earth, the final realm to settle this issue; Rev20

Angels have always interacted on earth like this as well, using a body is part of the nature of the earth "theme park" for spirit beings permitted to do so. Genesis 6 demons had that power, now they do not.

God's angels are aiding the preaching work in any form suitable:

(Hebrews 13:2) Do not forget hospitality, for through it some, unknown to themselves, entertained angels.

The 144000 live in heaven when complete, but will interact with earth, animals and humans according to whatever Christ commands in whatever form needed.(But they are spirit incorruptible persons like Christ)

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#32 Jun 13, 2012
""Christ and the 144000 have that perfection, but are spirit beings, because spirit is the thing that defines the human soul AND it's body."""

Human body + spirit = a human soul, humans are a soul, they do not possess a soul, they ARE a soul.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#33 Jun 14, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
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<quoted text>
Jesus was not Adamic so he was sinless in spirit and body. Adam's transgression was by spirit death, it took his body a long time to finally succumb to the death.
But from the first transgression, that day he died, his body instantly reflected the spirit corruption. Today humans are at 1/10th the "charge" Adam had, if that, so th spirit corrupted the flesh, that continued to help corrupt more spiritually, and it is a mad cycle of destruction that Satan oversees "having the ability to cause death"; (Heb 2:14, but not because he is actual sovereign, but he is permitted to absorb mankind to attempt to sully "God's image".
Mankind in Adam and Eve gave Satan the "in", from that corruption entry point, Satan is the master power of sin and corruption, he himself is a manslayer and addicted to human vices, he is a weak failure, he lost control; Gen6
But from that spiritual death, and that evil angelic spirit operating through human error Satan is attempting a total destruction of the earth, but he being an addict himself, he is in no rush to "ruin the earth" so severly that his addictions cannot be served up by humans he enters.
BUT that is going to change when he gets the Ezekiel 38-39 awareness the abyss is next, as the "King of the North" get's reports that "disturb him" Satan as king "from the remotest parts of the north" will be drawn into his final destruction mode of GT climax. So will his "congregation", Gog's "crowd".
So man is 6000 years in that hole, humans are not going to simply release themselves from a supernatural enemy the likes of that mighty angel Satan, even anointed in his former righteousness to oversee Eden; Eze 28:14, so he is no regular angel, he is going to need a jackhammer and piledriver to get him out of this realm, and that is exactly what is coming.
So Christ is going to have to drag these miscreants to the hole, after 6000 years of angelic powered lust and addiction you can bet they don't want to give up their addicted lifestyle for "bread and water" in that pit, with only their own memories and each other to keep them company.
So they are going to put up one angry and mean fight to destroy all they can before they go, and to resist that incarceration.
In the meantime man will have the final separation of sheep and goats up to this final period. Then man will be in a spiritual vacuum, that must be filled by something, and that is last Adam, the "life giving spirit".
Christ is the only being who has answered Satan's charges and temptations as angel and man, so he is in a unique position to apply either his immortal spirit nature, or his perfect fleshly nature, he has both, but his body was a sacrifice.
Look up the word sacrifice and see what it means.
If Christ kept that body as a man, it would not be a sacrifice now would it.
So that body has been "partaken" of by the 144000 as that completes. They are a "bride". Christ is the Eternal Father of Isa 9:6. Christ fathers no one in heaven, they are all his brothers, they all have Jehovah as the Father.
So that bride has the capacity to be fruitful for Christ, former human beings who can, like Christ, access that perfection to apply to humans, the "bread of heaven" because Christ is the "second man from heaven". He is God's perfect image as a man when he came for this reason of replacing dead, devil worshiping Adam.
John 10:18 NIV
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
Christ did indeed sacrifice His body for He lay dead for three days and then He was raised up in a body of flesh and bones and said He was not a spirit. That is what a resurrection is!
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#34 Jun 14, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
""Christ and the 144000 have that perfection, but are spirit beings, because spirit is the thing that defines the human soul AND it's body."""
Human body + spirit = a human soul, humans are a soul, they do not possess a soul, they ARE a soul.
In the OT Genesis 2:7 NIV
7 Then the Lord God formed(A) a man[a](B) from the dust(C) of the ground(D) and breathed into his nostrils the breath(E) of life,(F) and the man became a living being.(G).
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The you have m att 10:28 in the NT THAT jw'S ignore.
(NIV)
28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One(A) who can destroy both soul and body in hell
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Here, Jesus differentiated between the "soul" and the body. "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul," he said (verse 28). His words indicate that while the body is corrupted at death, the "soul" continues on, though both "soul" and body can end in soul-destroying hell.
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It is obvious that there are different meaning to soul when read in context. JW's read Gen,2;7 and that is what is stuck in their heads, therefore ignore Matt 10:28 for that must be wrong for Gen 2:7 says something different.
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A Christian always reads in context and progresses from the Old Testament to Christ in the New Testament.

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#35 Jun 14, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
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Many will learn the right way, a few will try to resist the truth even in paradise:
(Isaiah 26:10) Though the wicked one should be shown favor, he simply will not learn righteousness. In the land of straightforwardness he will act unjustly and will not see the eminence of Jehovah.
But that "comes down from heaven" interaction is for a reason, to establish perfect knowledge systems, and operations, that humans just don't know what is what since Adam, and that is not going to change over night, the human race must be "shepherded to waters of life" and that "river" soon affects all life on earth; Eze47:3-9; Rev22:1-3
So part of the reason for the 144000 is to bring mankind to humble reality of how to actually live forever and do things here on earth to sustain that, so they must be able to interact like humans (hence Jehovah picked humans), but have the power of the Mighty God to keep law and order in paradise:
(1 Corinthians 1:26-31) For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that not many wise in a fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; 27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the strong things to shame; 28 and God chose the ignoble things of the world and the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are, 29 in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God. 30 But it is due to him that you are in union with Christ Jesus, who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom; 31 that it may be just as it is written:“He that boasts, let him boast in Jehovah.”
And people will have to watch their p's and q's, who knows where they might be:
(John 3:8) The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone that has been born from the spirit.”
Either way no more killing, raping, thieving etc will be going on in paradise let's put it that way, EVEN demons will get their "egg" smashed and there is nothing they can do to stop it; (Numbers 24:17; Gen3:14-15; Rom16:20). God is done with that way on earth, but Satan will tempt a perfected human race as he did Adam and Christ so men can settle the sovereign issue on earth, the final realm to settle this issue; Rev20
Angels have always interacted on earth like this as well, using a body is part of the nature of the earth "theme park" for spirit beings permitted to do so. Genesis 6 demons had that power, now they do not.
God's angels are aiding the preaching work in any form suitable:
(Hebrews 13:2) Do not forget hospitality, for through it some, unknown to themselves, entertained angels.
The 144000 live in heaven when complete, but will interact with earth, animals and humans according to whatever Christ commands in whatever form needed.(But they are spirit incorruptible persons like Christ)
Quote.(1 Corinthians 15:50-57) However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

The Apostle Paul was not addressing Jesus,are you saying Jesus was corrupt before he was crucified?
Yes or No Point???

Also did you find that verse of Holy Scripture yet that shows the watch tower teaching is not from Satan that says Jesus was resurrected only as a spirit being?
While Jesus himself says in Luke 24.
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Almost 5 Months now since I first asked you for the source of this teaching of the watch tower.
Even you have admitted,if its not found in Holy Scripture then it must be from Satan.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#36 Jun 26, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
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Quote.(1 Corinthians 15:50-57) However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
The Apostle Paul was not addressing Jesus,are you saying Jesus was corrupt before he was crucified?
Yes or No Point???
Also did you find that verse of Holy Scripture yet that shows the watch tower teaching is not from Satan that says Jesus was resurrected only as a spirit being?
While Jesus himself says in Luke 24.
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Almost 5 Months now since I first asked you for the source of this teaching of the watch tower.
Even you have admitted,if its not found in Holy Scripture then it must be from Satan.
What? Rephrase the question please.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#37 Jun 26, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
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In the OT Genesis 2:7 NIV
7 Then the Lord God formed(A) a man[a](B) from the dust(C) of the ground(D) and breathed into his nostrils the breath(E) of life,(F) and the man became a living being.(G).
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The you have m att 10:28 in the NT THAT jw'S ignore.
(NIV)
28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One(A) who can destroy both soul and body in hell
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Here, Jesus differentiated between the "soul" and the body. "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul," he said (verse 28). His words indicate that while the body is corrupted at death, the "soul" continues on, though both "soul" and body can end in soul-destroying hell.
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It is obvious that there are different meaning to soul when read in context. JW's read Gen,2;7 and that is what is stuck in their heads, therefore ignore Matt 10:28 for that must be wrong for Gen 2:7 says something different.
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A Christian always reads in context and progresses from the Old Testament to Christ in the New Testament.
What are you getting at? The immortal soul falsehood? Humans are not immortal, neither is Satan and the demons. They will die, just like a fly dies. Permanently exterminated. In fact the fly has more chance of recovery.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#38 Jun 26, 2012
""What are you getting at? The immortal soul falsehood? Humans are not immortal, neither is Satan and the demons. They will die, just like a fly dies. Permanently exterminated. In fact the fly has more chance of recovery.""

In reference to Satan's destruction.

For humans God is the judge by Christ and the atonement.
religion expert

Glencoe, IL

#39 Jun 26, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
""What are you getting at? The immortal soul falsehood? Humans are not immortal, neither is Satan and the demons. They will die, just like a fly dies. Permanently exterminated. In fact the fly has more chance of recovery.""
In reference to Satan's destruction.
For humans God is the judge by Christ and the atonement.
Well folks the results are in.After many years and long hours of studty we have discovered that the wt's jehovah is realy satan.yes folks with the misspelled version of gads name ane the 100% failure rate at all their predictions it is indeed the devils playground.The way they shunn all who disagree with any of their constantly changing beliefs and call them mentaly impaired God would never do that to his followers.So to all jw's out there we are not telling you to walk away from this cult we are telling you to RUN!!!! Man RUN!!!! Like your pants are on fire far away as you can get!!!!! Thank You.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#40 Jun 26, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
""What are you getting at? The immortal soul falsehood? Humans are not immortal, neither is Satan and the demons. They will die, just like a fly dies. Permanently exterminated. In fact the fly has more chance of recovery.""
In reference to Satan's destruction.
For humans God is the judge by Christ and the atonement.
Try reading all scriptures. 1Corinthians 15:54 NIV
When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."
are you truly blind to the words, the perishable become imperishable and the mortal become immortal?
Humans will die and when those who are in the Body of Christ are resurrected they will become immortal because death will be shallowed up. That is scripture and your teaching the contrary is falsehood and denial of scripture.You teach heresy.

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