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#82 Sep 20, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>These angels are invisible to human eyes and are there to carry out the orders of the Lord. No doubt they first hear the instruction which the Lord issues to his remnant and then these invisible messengers pass such instruction on to the remnant. The facts show that the angels of the Lord with him at his temple have been thus rendering service unto the remnant since 1919.(Vindication, 1932, vol.3, p. 250)
how do they pass instructin Anerien. Answer that care to answer that.
communicatin is a two wAy street. This is why I concluded that nut case judge wAs speaking to angels.(demons) unless you believe that they were angels of God, he just listened to these angels wrote down what they told him. did he ask them questions. LOL demonic!! or a total nut case.
This is a SAD EXCUSE for your lies Array.

And I can PROVE it.

Does the HOLY SPIRIT lead teach you the truth Array?

Do you TALK to the holy spirit?

Your insistence that TALKING is the only means the spirit worls has of communicating truth to us is just your EXCUSE for spreading lies about Rutherford and making false statements about his claims.

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#83 Sep 20, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>how do the angels pass instruction to the remnant? ANSWER
Rutherford said he didn't know. He was just relating what the Bible lead him to believe happened.

He never claimed to experience it himself. He only claimed that he believed the Bible said it was how God imparted truth to Christians and therefore that it must have occurred SOMEHOW.

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#84 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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This is a SAD EXCUSE for your lies Array.
And I can PROVE it.
Does the HOLY SPIRIT lead teach you the truth Array?
Do you TALK to the holy spirit?
Your insistence that TALKING is the only means the spirit worls has of communicating truth to us is just your EXCUSE for spreading lies about Rutherford and making false statements about his claims.
well it certainly didn't lead or teach Rutherford to the truth we have his track record by his own words and false prophecies as witness to that, no it was the angels (demons) that gave him info, as he said the holy spirit is defunct it is the angels that give info..... yes indeed the angels, do you believe that?

of course you don't so who was it that gave him info?

obviously the demons that he listened to, that is why that info was false, and proven to be as 1925 prophecy was not from God, was it Joseph Witness.

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#85 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Rutherford said he didn't know. He was just relating what the Bible lead him to believe happened.
He never claimed to experience it himself. He only claimed that he believed the Bible said it was how God imparted truth to Christians and therefore that it must have occurred SOMEHOW.
yes he claimed that Angels were the sorce of info to the remanant. That is what he said, he defunt the holy spirit and the Angels became the main sorce of info.... he listened then to what he believed to be Gods Angels giving direction and info...

we both know that it was not Angels, but demons. That is why nothing he propecied came true, because Gods holy angels do not usurp Jehovahs arrangement by holy spirit in inspriation.

The fact that you support this shows that you have absolutley no care for truth but are taking the side of a false prophet that got info from spirits, he called them angels but we know they were not.

So either the judge was a madman, nutter or under the influence of demons, or a charleton.

but most definately not an agent of the true God Jehovah.

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#86 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Rutherford said he didn't know. He was just relating what the Bible lead him to believe happened.
He never claimed to experience it himself. He only claimed that he believed the Bible said it was how God imparted truth to Christians and therefore that it must have occurred SOMEHOW.
It's amazing the epiphanies one can have after downing a bottle of scotch.

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#87 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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So now resurrected anointed are dead? Since when did Jesus said people would be resurrected to death?
Jesus said people would be resurrected to LIFE.
They are NOT dead.
Second it is reasonable to point out that the resurrected anointed may be helping Jesus in disceminating truths to his people. That is what the prophecy suggests after all.
It is UNREASONABLE and DISHONEST of you to pretend like that are TALKING or LISTENING to them when they clearly admit they don't know how or what form any such POSSIBLE communication of information might happen.
And pretending like resurrected anointed followers of Christ are somehow DEAD goes against the very core thing Jesus teaches.
What are you anti-Christ? You say Jesus resurrects people to death rather than life?
From the time of the apostle John and on into the Lord’s day, anointed Christians were puzzled as to the identity of the great crowd. It is fitting, then, that one of the 24 elders, representing anointed ones already in heaven, should stir John’s thinking by raising a pertinent question.“And in response one of the elders said to me:‘These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?’ So right away I said to him:‘My lord, you are the one that knows.’”(Revelation 7:13, 14a) Yes, that elder could locate the answer and give it to John. This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today. For their part, those of the John class on earth got to learn the identity of the great crowd by closely observing what Jehovah was performing in their midst. They were quick to appreciate the dazzling flash of divine light that emblazoned the theocratic firmament in 1935, at Jehovah’s due time.”
-Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! p. 124-125
This quote from the Watchtower clearly indicates that Jehovah’s Witnesses who have passed away are “communicating” to persons alive today. To whom are these “divine truths” being communicated? What does this communication consist of? How is it performed? The Watchtower does not tell us. However, they have elsewhere disapproved of any form of communication with the dead,
“Who, then, was pretending to be Samuel? A wicked spirit person was. Wicked spirits, or demons, are the angels who joined Satan in rebellion against God. To promote the lie that death is only a change to another life, they pretend to be persons who have died. But the truth is, the dead are completely unconscious, awaiting the time when God may remember them in the resurrection.(Acts 24:15) So neither you, nor anybody else, can talk with the dead.”
-The Watchtower, September 15, 1981 p. 9
The Watchtower not only presents commands from the Scriptures to prohibit communication with those who have died, but they also present another basis; even if communicating with the dead were allowed, we wouldn’t be able to do so since,“neither you, nor anybody else, can talk with the dead.”

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so you disagree with the WT of communication with dead anointed. Pleased to here seeing they said they did.

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#88 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Still making a huge DIVERSION from the lie you spoke about Rutherford aren't you?
What do you mean!? RUTHERFORD has been called a LIAR and a DRUNK and he is your model...!
;-P

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#89 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Rutherford said he didn't know. He was just relating what the Bible lead him to believe happened.
He never claimed to experience it himself. He only claimed that he believed the Bible said it was how God imparted truth to Christians and therefore that it must have occurred SOMEHOW.
So...... He wasn't anointed? Is that what you are saying?
:-D
unsurejwdude

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#90 Sep 20, 2013
Oh no what are the poor bethelites gunna do now. They'll have to get a real job and start looking after themselves like people in reality do.
old timer

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#91 Sep 20, 2013
MarcelB wrote:
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What do you mean!? RUTHERFORD has been called a LIAR and a DRUNK and he is your model...!
;-P
Yeah, Back in the day we called him whiskey joe cause he always had a whiskey bottle in his hand or tilted back guzzeling that bad boy.He was fun at partys at beth sarim until his liver gave out.RIP whiskey joe you F$%KIN drunk bastard!!!!!!

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#92 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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This is a SAD EXCUSE for your lies Array.
And I can PROVE it.
Does the HOLY SPIRIT lead teach you the truth Array?
Do you TALK to the holy spirit?
Your insistence that TALKING is the only means the spirit worls has of communicating truth to us is just your EXCUSE for spreading lies about Rutherford and making false statements about his claims.
TWISTING WORDS & WORDGAMES is al YOU can use to DIVERSE all of the TOPICS isn't it..

PS. Are you a RPG gamer.... Apostate elf?

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#93 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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This is a SAD EXCUSE for your lies Array.
And I can PROVE it.
Does the HOLY SPIRIT lead teach you the truth Array?
Do you TALK to the holy spirit?
Your insistence that TALKING is the only means the spirit worls has of communicating truth to us is just your EXCUSE for spreading lies about Rutherford and making false statements about his claims.
You use a lot words for NOT PROVIDING PROOF.....

;-p

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#94 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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So now resurrected anointed are dead? Since when did Jesus said people would be resurrected to death?
Jesus said people would be resurrected to LIFE.
They are NOT dead.
Second it is reasonable to point out that the resurrected anointed may be helping Jesus in disceminating truths to his people. That is what the prophecy suggests after all.
It is UNREASONABLE and DISHONEST of you to pretend like that are TALKING or LISTENING to them when they clearly admit they don't know how or what form any such POSSIBLE communication of information might happen.
And pretending like resurrected anointed followers of Christ are somehow DEAD goes against the very core thing Jesus teaches.
What are you anti-Christ? You say Jesus resurrects people to death rather than life?
interesting that you would think that the anointed are already resurrected. show from the sciptures that has taken place yet, the anointed as the WT teaches are to be part of the heavenly government, if any are already resurrected and the rest remnant have to wait till the GT to be called with the twinkling of an eye, what are they doing in heaven now? communicating with the GB?

1Cor 4:8 So, are you already satisfied? Are you already rich? Have you started ruling without us? Why, I wish that you had started ruling, so we could also be ruling along with you! 9 For, I think that God has put us (the Apostles) last on the show as men who are condemned to death… we've become a theatrical spectacle in this world to both men and angels! 10 And while we are fools because of the Anointed One, you are wise in the Anointed One… we're weak, but you're strong… we're dishonorable, but you're the glorious ones.

Thing is the GB have already began ruling, just as the judge believed he was.

So the point is how does those you claim and the WT claim that are already in heaven communicate with the remnant in specific the GB as they claim, how do they do this, it seems to me that the GB like the Judge has given the holy spirit the flick.

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#95 Sep 20, 2013
array wrote:
so you disagree with the WT of communication with dead anointed. Pleased to here seeing they said they did.
1) You say when Jesus resurrects a person they are still dead.

Why?

2) THIS is what they said: "For their part, those of the John class on earth got to learn the identity of the great crowd by closely observing what Jehovah was performing in their midst."

Not by talking to angels.

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#96 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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1) You say when Jesus resurrects a person they are still dead.
Why?
2) THIS is what they said: "For their part, those of the John class on earth got to learn the identity of the great crowd by closely observing what Jehovah was performing in their midst."
Not by talking to angels.
show from the scripturs that any anointed besides Christ has been resurrected yet.

Secondly if I am wrong and they are in heaven why are they communicating with them, where is the scriptual proof that any would communicate with a resurrected anointed?

Did or did not the Judge say that the Angels give info to the remnant on earth, that is communication, show from the scriptures.

You will stand by any nutty interpretation while throwing the bible into the furnace.

Again if if the anointed have already been resurrected, what are they doing up their without the whole body to make up the governement, are they there to communicate with the remnant on earth as the GB say they think this is so?

Christ and the Holy spirit is not really that important to you or the GB, its what your forfathers have taught you like to try to cover up, the traditions of men you are no better than Chrisendom whom you condemn.

Do YOu stand by what the judge said that he believed that angels of God gave info.... do you?

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#97 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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1) You say when Jesus resurrects a person they are still dead.
Why?
2) THIS is what they said: "For their part, those of the John class on earth got to learn the identity of the great crowd by closely observing what Jehovah was performing in their midst."
Not by talking to angels.
ok by listening to angels, then the judge did not answer them make you happy?

one has to listen to get the info right?

so what was the info from these so called angels of God?

clearly it waS false prophecies, no they were not Angels of God but demons. Unless of course you believe that Angels pass on messages to humans to print to the world as Gods word.

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#98 Sep 20, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>show from the scripturs that any anointed besides Christ has been resurrected yet.
Secondly if I am wrong and they are in heaven why are they communicating with them, where is the scriptual proof that any would communicate with a resurrected anointed?
Did or did not the Judge say that the Angels give info to the remnant on earth, that is communication, show from the scriptures.
You will stand by any nutty interpretation while throwing the bible into the furnace.
Again if if the anointed have already been resurrected, what are they doing up their without the whole body to make up the governement, are they there to communicate with the remnant on earth as the GB say they think this is so?
Christ and the Holy spirit is not really that important to you or the GB, its what your forfathers have taught you like to try to cover up, the traditions of men you are no better than Chrisendom whom you condemn.
Do YOu stand by what the judge said that he believed that angels of God gave info.... do you?
All the scriptural evidence was given. You even quoted some of it yourself.

All this is a huge distraction from the fact that you accused Rutherford of talking with spirits and that was a lie.

NO ONE really doubts that Angels help God to do his work.

That doesn't mean that they are actually talking to people and no one has claimed that they did.

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#99 Sep 20, 2013
wonder if the same Angel that gave info to the judge was the same Angel as the Mormons....Angel Moroni

Surely the WT would say that the mormons are demonic.

Even though their founder states the Angel appeared.

However not much different to the judge stating that Angels gave info....

I will give the judge some slack here, maybe he was schizophrenic and had delusions, if so I pity him, but moreso I pity the many JW that believed him and no doubt suffered when his false predictions did not come true. Which is something ones like Anerien seem to forget the JW that suffered because of all of this.

Do you ever Anerien think of the many lives that have suffered because of all the phony predictions, NO its not their fault right.

Not one apology nothing from the proud head strong delustion nutters that have brought so much hardship and spiritual downfall of many innocent ones that trusted the stupid prophets that believed Angels of God gave them the info.

Believe Christ, many false prophets will come in my name and misled many. Matt 7 and that is all anyone can trust what Christ has said, no nutter that comes in wolves clothing to misled even the chosen ones.

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#100 Sep 20, 2013
Just one question to Anerin.

Do you believe that angels gave info to the remnant, Yes or NO.

simple

and to recieve info the judge would have to have some communication with a spirt (angel as he called it)

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#101 Sep 20, 2013
back to topic

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/more-branch-c ...
some comments are interesting and makes one really think.
That’s the best idea I have heard yet. But how sad that many gave their own free labor and time to work on these buildings only to have them closed only a couple years later. But wait there is something to all this. Now the watchtower can sell the building in a quick sale and reap the dollars in free labor. mmmmmm Sounds like commercial building flippers to me.
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also think of how much more work load this puts on the brothers when these branches close. something the GB really don't care about.
So many brothers must bem realy hurting.

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