Do those called "apostates" go on and...

Do those called "apostates" go on and have happy fulfilling lives?

Created by poco on Sep 29, 2012

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Why

Scarborough, UK

#330 Oct 17, 2012
Veritas 69 wrote:
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Which grey areas... pls. explain, taken the Governing Bodys teachings and docrines in cosideration, based at Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:13, Acts 15:20,29... and the principles hereof...
When the Governing Body banned derivates with sanctions, as the truth and Gods law... then it must have been false, now when they allow derivates without sanctions... One way or the other... Right...?
Then and again.. Will it be legal to get use of e.g. the spare wheel from a stolen car...?
A yes o no will be sufficient...
What if you melt down the spare wheel, which only is a minor part and it doesn't have any form or shape of a car... Will it then be legal in your eyes, to get use of the iron, which has its origin from the stolen car...?
A yes or no wil be sufficient...
the wheel analogy isn't a good comparative choice against blood. For a start blood is a bodily fluid that sustains life.

The shepherd when reexamining the medical
Info on blood components couldn't 't in all conscience say for definite that these components of blood could still be viewed as the lifeblood itself. So there have wise made is a matter for personal choice.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#331 Oct 17, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> I am part of the flock!
And the sad thing is that in that particular flock, you are regularly getting fleeced.
Why

Scarborough, UK

#332 Oct 18, 2012
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RedhorseWoman wrote:
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And the sad thing is that in that particular flock, you are regularly getting fleeced.
who will Jehovah bless? those working in the field helping with the harvest or those sneering from the sidelines doing nothing!

The only person you are short changing is yourself! How many years have you rejected Jehovah now and his people. Has all this bitterness been worth it?
Spike

Boonton, NJ

#333 Oct 18, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> this makes no sense the apostles were simply not the type to be browbeaten! They got rid of circumcism which is a massive biggy with the Jews.
When it comes to blood they are specific and under inspiration continued to forbid it!
And in Leviticus it is again not part of dietary laws. It has always been a stand alone law that was deliberately kept by the apostles!
go read leviticus 17/18, where it lists the few requirements a gentile residing in israel had to follow, it makes perfect sense except to the brainwashed jw cult follower, it was never a standalone law

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#334 Oct 18, 2012
It is interesting to note that "Why" spends so much time on this forum defending the JW's, when does she find time to be one? What I mean is: when does she find time for meetings, field service and personal study?

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#335 Oct 18, 2012
Why wrote:
: <quoted text> who will Jehovah bless? those working in the field helping with the harvest or those sneering from the sidelines doing nothing!
The only person you are short changing is yourself! How many years have you rejected Jehovah now and his people. Has all this bitterness been worth it?
In the first place, no one has rejected Jehovah, we reject a publishing company.
In the second place, please tell me in what way you are blessed, I mean real tangible things. You are not the only ones blessed, but you like to think that you are. You talk about being blessed, how are you blessed in a way that us poor lowly apostates aren't?
Spike

Boonton, NJ

#336 Oct 18, 2012
Spike wrote:
<quoted text>go read leviticus 17/18, where it lists the few requirements a gentile residing in israel had to follow, it makes perfect sense except to the brainwashed jw cult follower, it was never a standalone law
ok reniaa this shows just how much of a total idiot you are. leviticus 17/18 lists what a gentile resding in israel was asked to follow, and circumcision is not listed. its simply dietary requirements about food with blood, and marriage to close relatives. these are the same things the council in acts is asking the gentiles to follow. stop trying to muddy the situation by throwing things in that are not there.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#337 Oct 18, 2012
She only sees and posts what she wants and ignores the rest. Good job, Spike.
Spike

Boonton, NJ

#338 Oct 18, 2012
emmaswish wrote:
She only sees and posts what she wants and ignores the rest. Good job, Spike.
thanks emma, i hope all is going well with you. wishing your peace, health and prosperity, and a few lucky breaks along the way

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#339 Oct 18, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> I am part of the flock!
and you disobey the shepherd by being here, maybe he will get sick of going after the lost sheep that strays from the flock and settles down into another pasture that has apostate that you like to share your time with on here.

What you say is moot because you are not being submissive to those that are taking the lead while you sprout your self righteous "I am part of the flock"

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#340 Oct 18, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> I am part of the flock!
You belong to the governing body. Thanks for your response.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#341 Oct 18, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> Good scriptures but note it said "it does not include God himself" whatever authority Jesus has it in no way usurps Jehovah as God!
Our recognition and worship of Jehovah as Almighty God is right and proper and following Jesus's own example!
We have no problem recognising and respecting Jesus as our leader and king we simply do not say he is Almighty God!
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with that? For one, when you put the fact that you MUST be a JW to be saved that is wrong. YOU MUST be a believer in Jesus Christ FIRST. There is no other name under which we can be saved. Doesnt that tell you that Jehovah wants us to realize that his son is our ONLY SAVIOR?
Acts 4:12
There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved."

This along should show you how wrong it is to believe that a religion can save you. It is in Jesus we must believe. It is ONLY Jesus who can save us. Being a JW or Baptist makes no difference, its in how we believe in Jesus that will save us. Yes we love the Lord with all our hearts and souls, but it is JESUS who will save us.
man711

Indian Trail, NC

#342 Oct 18, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
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You belong to the governing body. Thanks for your response.
And you believe them right?

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#343 Oct 18, 2012
emmaswish wrote:
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In the first place, no one has rejected Jehovah, we reject a publishing company.
Here's where the obvious and misleading WTS-training comes in....some may choose to correctly label this brainwashing. The IDEA that discovering one has been lied to and has made the decision to leave those teachings on the WTS' doorstep....is most certainly NOT "leaving God" because...simply put....the men at the WTS HQ's are not God.

From their own vast history of DECADES AND DECADES of announcing their goofy declarations as "from God"....and printing their rubbish with the very short shelf life which they are always in need of revising or dropping altogether....the evidence proves that none of this 'pile of stuff' they keep spewing out....bears any resemblance to the teachings of the Creator of the universe.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#344 Oct 18, 2012
Why wrote:
: <quoted text> who will Jehovah bless? those working in the field helping with the harvest or those sneering from the sidelines doing nothing!
The only person you are short changing is yourself! How many years have you rejected Jehovah now and his people. Has all this bitterness been worth it?
I have never rejected Jehovah and his people. All I have rejected is a religious publishing company posing as a religion.

Do you really consider being a salesperson for that religious publishing company to be "helping with the harvest"? Have you always been this delusional?

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#345 Oct 18, 2012
man711 wrote:
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And you believe them right?
Believe who?
man711

Norwood, NC

#346 Oct 18, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
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Believe who?
Can follow a comment string huh? Not surprising!
Spike

Boonton, NJ

#347 Oct 18, 2012
man711 wrote:
<quoted text> Can follow a comment string huh? Not surprising!
do you believe the governing body?

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#348 Oct 18, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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Here's where the obvious and misleading WTS-training comes in....some may choose to correctly label this brainwashing. The IDEA that discovering one has been lied to and has made the decision to leave those teachings on the WTS' doorstep....is most certainly NOT "leaving God" because...simply put....the men at the WTS HQ's are not God.
From their own vast history of DECADES AND DECADES of announcing their goofy declarations as "from God"....and printing their rubbish with the very short shelf life which they are always in need of revising or dropping altogether....the evidence proves that none of this 'pile of stuff' they keep spewing out....bears any resemblance to the teachings of the Creator of the universe.
I guess in the minds of Jehovah's Witnesses (and the wannabes here) leaving them is the same as leaving Jehovah. I guess they cannot tell the difference between a religion and the God the religion purports to serve. In my mind I never felt I left Jehovah and I never felt that he abandoned me, so it is quite amusing to me that some stranger on the Internet would presume to tell me I have left God, based solely on the fact that I do not believe in their religion anymore.

On the other hand, I have seen some here tell those who argue the pro WTBTS viewpoint (I have a hard time believing any here are true JWs) that they do not believe in Jesus. I feel that is wrong as well. When I was a JW, I very much believed in Jesus and the value of his ransom sacrifice, and prayed in his name. I considered myself a Christian and still do. Other Christian religions do not "own" Jesus, any more then Jehovah's Witnesses "own" Jehovah.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#349 Oct 18, 2012
man711 wrote:
<quoted text> Can follow a comment string huh? Not surprising!
If I had a clue what you meant, I wouldn't have asked.

If you mean the gb, hell no.

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