Tragic shooting in Connecticut elemen...

Tragic shooting in Connecticut elementary.

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TPMP

New York, NY

#1 Dec 14, 2012
I'm not sure if any of you guys heard about this horrible, horrible story.

This happened this morning right here on the East coast.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14/police-r...
Hoodwinked

Homeland, CA

#2 Dec 14, 2012
Yes. Very tragic!! Can't imagian being one of those 20 parents who were told their child was dead:(

Since: Apr 09

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#4 Dec 14, 2012
The report I just read said that there were 27 dead, mostly children. This shooting is worse than the one at Columbine. What is wrong with people?
Thanks for putting this up, TPMP
Prime

United States

#5 Dec 14, 2012
What a sick SOB! Kindegarteners?

This really boils my blood! Death was too good for that bastard!
unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#6 Dec 14, 2012
please light a candle tonight for all the families the shooter is dead he shot and murderered his mother.. they are confirming this. it is also being investigated he murdered someone before henwent on the rampage. we lived in the town next door to this town a beautiful place to live.. the shooter lived in jersey.

please light a candle in memory for all those who lost their lives from the age of 5-10 the principle and other adults who are gone now forever for a senseless disgusting crime.
it is my understanding there may be a memorial page on Facebook. if there is i will post it if i can find it.

the lord has many new little angels to care for now.. god bless them and god bless the families during this horrible sad time..

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

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#7 Dec 14, 2012
How sad, I cannot comprehend it. The Colorado shooting was not that long ago, and now this.
unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#10 Dec 14, 2012
the ct police just held a conference.. 20 children passed 6 adults lost. not including injured. now another crime scene in the same town they are not confirming but looking to see if he murdered his dad in Newtown. two rooms of the school... how sad how sick and how demented. why did the shooter have to die. he does not deserve to die.. not yet... god bless.

Since: Oct 10

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#12 Dec 14, 2012
much happier now wrote:
How sad, I cannot comprehend it. The Colorado shooting was not that long ago, and now this.
it is just wicked, those poor parents, I only found out when I came here this afternoon and then went straight to the papers, there are so many sick individuals out there, what these people must be going through is incomprehendable.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#13 Dec 14, 2012
Hard to imagine this. First he shot his mother and then went on to exact vengeance at the school where his mother worked as a teacher's aide.

Such a sad thing.

Since: Oct 10

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#14 Dec 14, 2012
RedhorseWoman wrote:
Hard to imagine this. First he shot his mother and then went on to exact vengeance at the school where his mother worked as a teacher's aide.
Such a sad thing.
gosh I never read that, more news will be coming out about this person, one can't comprehend what the relatives parents and friends of these victims must be going through, so very sad.

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

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#15 Dec 14, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>it is just wicked, those poor parents, I only found out when I came here this afternoon and then went straight to the papers, there are so many sick individuals out there, what these people must be going through is incomprehendable.
I used to go to the theater in Aurora, Colorado that was the scene of a horrific mass murder earlier this year, and that was near Columbine High School, another school shooting. I cannot comprehend it on some levels, but I do understand mental illness, I had a daughter that suffered from mental issues as a teenager, I sometimes see these things and think, there but for the grace of God go I. She got help early on and five years of therapy, she is doing well now, but I could see something like that could have happened. She had Borderline personality disorder.

I also worked with someone who had a wife with bipolar disorder. We both worked in the same small group, the company had a meltdown and he was laid off before me. He was out of state, doing the only job he could get, when she bought a gun and killed herself and their two teen aged boys. I read about it in the paper, what a shock to see the picture he always had on his desk. I will remember that always.

Some have seen this as a gun control issue. I am not against gun control, but to me this is a mental health issue. With many insurance plans offering little or no mental health coverage, I think we are seeing the results of lack of good screening and treatment in that area. The good coverage I had when my daughter was young is seldom offered today. It will be interesting to see what was done for this person and what could have been done.

Since: Oct 10

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#16 Dec 15, 2012
much happier now wrote:
<quoted text>
I used to go to the theater in Aurora, Colorado that was the scene of a horrific mass murder earlier this year, and that was near Columbine High School, another school shooting. I cannot comprehend it on some levels, but I do understand mental illness, I had a daughter that suffered from mental issues as a teenager, I sometimes see these things and think, there but for the grace of God go I. She got help early on and five years of therapy, she is doing well now, but I could see something like that could have happened. She had Borderline personality disorder.
I also worked with someone who had a wife with bipolar disorder. We both worked in the same small group, the company had a meltdown and he was laid off before me. He was out of state, doing the only job he could get, when she bought a gun and killed herself and their two teen aged boys. I read about it in the paper, what a shock to see the picture he always had on his desk. I will remember that always.
Some have seen this as a gun control issue. I am not against gun control, but to me this is a mental health issue. With many insurance plans offering little or no mental health coverage, I think we are seeing the results of lack of good screening and treatment in that area. The good coverage I had when my daughter was young is seldom offered today. It will be interesting to see what was done for this person and what could have been done.
yes I agree now that I have read more about the person in question, sometimes when masacres happen or their is slayings sometimes they say that the person was into the occult, as more is being released about this man here, it does appear that he did have a mental illness. Sorry to hear what you have been through yourself, its a shock when we know someone that has done something like this.

“Yeap Still Unbroken”

Since: Dec 12

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#17 Dec 15, 2012
I was numb when I heard about this awful awful thing .

May these families find peace ...These little people are now angels sitting on Jesus lap..

Since: Sep 08

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#18 Dec 15, 2012
TPMP wrote:
I'm not sure if any of you guys heard about this horrible, horrible story.
This happened this morning right here on the East coast.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14/police-r...
Yep, that was terrible.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#19 Dec 15, 2012
Jorge wrote:
Mental sickness is still being treated as a punishment from God, by some (for ex. TPMP).
Mental sickness is just another disease, and diseases are to be treated with respect; with care and compassion.
As long as some people insist that diseases are a punish from God, these and other acts of violence (which otherwise are prevented) will continue.
The culture where people are encouraged to ignore violent mental illness like in the Jehovah's witnesses, needs to end.
We as a society need to demand change.
Waving The Watchtower or any other propaganda under the noses of mental illness or pedophilia, and claiming they are 'cured" does nothing but encourage crime.
You can't hide behind religion, or parental rights any more.
If your child starts showing signs of violence, and disconnection we need early intervention that is not negotiable.


As a nation we are heartbroken.
In memory of those beautiful children we need to demand changes in gun laws AND how we treat mental illness.

God Bless the families of those who were massacred yesterday.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#20 Dec 15, 2012
Prime wrote:
What a sick SOB! Kindegarteners?
This really boils my blood! Death was too good for that bastard!
Agreed!
We all need to speak up when a child starts showing violent, anti-social behaviors.
This condoning by parents and others cannot be tolerated any more.
This monster had problems since he was very young, and evidently his mother handled it all wrong according to those who know the family.

It is worth our money as a society to step in and step in early.
Instead of sending all of our money to Iraq and Afghanistan, lets start protecting our own citizens.
Nevermind that this monster should NEVER have had legal access to the kind of weapons of mass destruction he did!
We as citizens and voters need to demand change.
Since Jehovah's witnesses don't vote, you don't get a voice and you will have to abide by our laws.
Just sit around and complain and wait for your fairyland, which is coming "any day", and give all your money to the WBTS.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#21 Dec 15, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>gosh I never read that, more news will be coming out about this person, one can't comprehend what the relatives parents and friends of these victims must be going through, so very sad.
It was reported on the local radio and TV news later in the day. At first, they didn't know that he had first killed his mother.

Now they're trying to figure out why he did this. They've been interviewing his grandmother and his older brother to try to discover a motive.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Spring, TX

#22 Dec 15, 2012
hMMMMM wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed!
We all need to speak up when a child starts showing violent, anti-social behaviors.
This condoning by parents and others cannot be tolerated any more.
This monster had problems since he was very young, and evidently his mother handled it all wrong according to those who know the family.

It is worth our money as a society to step in and step in early.
Instead of sending all of our money to Iraq and Afghanistan, lets start protecting our own citizens.
Nevermind that this monster should NEVER have had legal access to the kind of weapons of mass destruction he did!
We as citizens and voters need to demand change.
Since Jehovah's witnesses don't vote, you don't get a voice and you will have to abide by our laws.
Just sit around and complain and wait for your fairyland, which is coming "any day", and give all your money to the WBTS.
What solution is there aside from divine intervention, Jehovah's Kingdom taking control of earth's affairs? We keep seeing more and more of this. It's obvious society is rapidly degenerating. Do you really think stricter gun laws are going to change anything? I don't own a gun, but I know those that fear crime and need a gun in the house along with other security measures to feel safe.

What's the likeliness of getting guns off the streets? You can't very well outlaw guns if you can't get them off the streets, as only outlaws will possess firearms. Sure I vote. I elect a permanent solution; God's government a peace.

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#23 Dec 15, 2012
hMMMMM wrote:
<quoted text>
The culture where people are encouraged to ignore violent mental illness like in the Jehovah's witnesses, needs to end.
We as a society need to demand change.
Waving The Watchtower or any other propaganda under the noses of mental illness or pedophilia, and claiming they are 'cured" does nothing but encourage crime.
You can't hide behind religion, or parental rights any more.
If your child starts showing signs of violence, and disconnection we need early intervention that is not negotiable.
As a nation we are heartbroken.
In memory of those beautiful children we need to demand changes in gun laws AND how we treat mental illness.
God Bless the families of those who were massacred yesterday.
Having been through mental health issues with my daughter, I know that the justice system and mental health facilities many times do not work the best they can to help people with problems like these.

My daughter was hospitalized twice due to suicide attempts. The mental health facilities basically just exist to lock up patients for a few weeks and make money for themselves, It is big business. They don't do meaningful treatment or diagnosis, and this at a cost of $6,000 a week, and that was many years ago, probably way more now. I sat in on one session of "group therapy", it was a joke, one untrained person lead a group of patients, she barely had control of them, and certainly no effective treatment for anyone. One staff member playing guitar is "music therapy", twenty dollars an hour per each patient, you get the idea.

And this is only if you have really good insurance, My other choice was county lockup with adult patients. She had to be put there once until I could make alternate arrangements because of a 5250(danger to self). They locked her in the bathroom overnight as they were afraid for her safety, she was only 15, but looked about 12. Another hospital stay was just as bad. My daughter only got better because I didn't give up until I found adequate help for her, and this was in spite of the system, not because of it. I got lucky and found a good therapist and paid for half of it out of pocket, and I was able to do that, many wouldn't have had insurance or the ability to pay.

So these are the things that have to be discussed if we are to have any meaningful way to prevent something like this from happening again. Parents of children with mental health issues need better options and more effective treatment, and it should be available to all, even those without insurance. And once the person is 18, parents can do nothing as they are now an adult.

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#24 Dec 15, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
What solution is there aside from divine intervention, Jehovah's Kingdom taking control of earth's affairs? We keep seeing more and more of this. It's obvious society is rapidly degenerating. Do you really think stricter gun laws are going to change anything? I don't own a gun, but I know those that fear crime and need a gun in the house along with other security measures to feel safe.
What's the likeliness of getting guns off the streets? You can't very well outlaw guns if you can't get them off the streets, as only outlaws will possess firearms. Sure I vote. I elect a permanent solution; God's government a peace.
That is a typical JW cop out, "Jehovah will fix it all, I can just sit around waiting for the new system, I don't need to actually do anything myself, all this bad is just more proof I am right"

Does it ever occur to any of you that this world actually is not that bad off? There used to be a lot more famine, disease, poverty, wars and many other things. You see one report about a tragic event and think it validates you beliefs, but does it really?

Why not take some responsibility for improving the world instead of running around knocking on doors telling people God will kill them for celebrating Christmas? No, you will never do that, it's easier to just blame things on someone else, rather than do something to improve the world yourself.

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