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little lamb

Australia

#21 Sep 25, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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Everyone who is in the new covenant mediated by Jesus Christ, is part of the BODY of Christ..and we all show our unity with Christ and each other when we although many partake of the ONE LOAF.
However your question is about Elders and overseers OUTSIDE the BODY of CHRIST..and these have no jurisdiction on the BODY of Christ
Because if you read Ephesians 4 [11-12] The whole reason God gives shepherds and teachers and evangelisers is for ' BUILDING up the BODY of Christ..
which is what you majority of witnesses and Elders and overseers in your organization don't believe you are , in the first place..seeing none of you partake of the ONE LOAF; the Bread at the memorial.
You are just an organization of people, outsiders, hoping that by associating with nine men in America, who say they are the BODY that this gives you and your Leasers that don't confess union with Christ at the memorial, some sort of authority over the rest of us who DISCERN the BODY..it doesn't
Will reiterate this for you Array, so it doesn't get buried

Your question about

Quote " do you agree that all what Paul wrote is true, or just some of it. Or the book of Timothy is that applicable for today to all Christians. So where do you go to overseer, reach out help the congregation, etc this does not apply in our day.?"

Its applicable for all Christians in the new covenant.

Because its a new testament which mean "covenant" teaching.

Its not a teaching for outsiders to the covenant mediated by Christ

so outsiders to the covenant , have no right to be seeking to be elders and Overseers over the BODY [congregation of Christ"

Who do they think they are?..most overseers in your organization are not in the new covenant, nor do they confess union with Christ at the memorial...yet they steal the words from the new covenant to apply to themselves..They are robbers.
little lamb

Australia

#22 Sep 25, 2012
Most witnesses of an organization are a bit slow on the uptake.

Testament means covenant

Got it?

Testament is another word for covenant.

The new "testament" "covenant", is a contract mediated by Jesus Christ whereby we enter into a relationship with Jehovah God as OUR FATHER..Sons of God

" you are all in fact sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus" Gal [26]

That 'all' is all who exercise FAITH.

You take any teaching out of the new "covenant" "testament", and apply it to yourselves without even being in the covenant relationship with God..

Is like a bastard son that is trying to steal the inheritance away from the legal son.

Because the new covenant is that which is LEGALLY ESTABLISHED on better promises."
little lamb

Australia

#23 Sep 25, 2012
Ps.. thats Gal 3 [26]

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#24 Sep 25, 2012
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone who is in the new covenant mediated by Jesus Christ, is part of the BODY of Christ..and we all show our unity with Christ and each other when we although many partake of the ONE LOAF.
However your question is about Elders and overseers OUTSIDE the BODY of CHRIST..and these have no jurisdiction on the BODY of Christ
Because if you read Ephesians 4 [11-12] The whole reason God gives shepherds and teachers and evangelisers is for ' BUILDING up the BODY of Christ..
which is what you majority of witnesses and Elders and overseers in your organization don't believe you are , in the first place..seeing none of you partake of the ONE LOAF; the Bread at the memorial.
You are just an organization of people, outsiders, hoping that by associating with nine men in America, who say they are the BODY that this gives you and your Leasers that don't confess union with Christ at the memorial, some sort of authority over the rest of us who DISCERN the BODY..it doesn't
really most of those overseers back then were of the anointed were they not.

Still the congregation here is talking about people uniting together for worship, not individuals going their seperate ways, but encouraging one another.

And no LL I am not just a person that thinks associating with people is going to save my life, but it is scriptual to associate with the congregation. Nor do I look at nine men as you say in NY, in fact I don't agree with some of what they teach espeically their appointment, that does not mean I disagree with the basic doctrines of JW as you do to, as you believe that they are scriptual.

the fact is LL Christians in the first century met regually together.

Heb 10:23 So, let's hang onto the confession of our hope and not give up, because the One who gave us the promise is faithful. 24 And let's keep reminding ourselves to help each other to grow in love and in good deeds.

25 And don't stop meeting together (as some have made it their custom), but [continue to] encourage each other… and [do this] even more so as you see the Day getting closer.

Christ came and inspected 7 congregations as recorded in Rev 2 and 3. He address the elders in those congregations, and praised or gave councel for their deeds.

When Paul visited congregations he sent his love from other brothers in congregations, he visited congregations or peoples together as a group.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#25 Sep 25, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Most witnesses of an organization are a bit slow on the uptake.
Testament means covenant
Got it?
Testament is another word for covenant.
The new "testament" "covenant", is a contract mediated by Jesus Christ whereby we enter into a relationship with Jehovah God as OUR FATHER..Sons of God
" you are all in fact sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus" Gal [26]
That 'all' is all who exercise FAITH.
You take any teaching out of the new "covenant" "testament", and apply it to yourselves without even being in the covenant relationship with God..
Is like a bastard son that is trying to steal the inheritance away from the legal son.
Because the new covenant is that which is LEGALLY ESTABLISHED on better promises."
I am sure many were in the new covenant back in the first century, but they associated with one another, they were called congregations, Rev 2 and 3 well Christ thought so.
Hoodwinked

Sun City, CA

#26 Sep 25, 2012
MAMMON wrote:
My little brother was sleeping with a 27 year old fat sister when he was 15. They didn't get caught until he was 17 when my parents had to dig up and replace the septic tank and it had a bunch of condoms floating in there. They ended up having to get married to avoid getting DFed because her dad was an elder and their whole family had been in for generations. My brother was 17 and living at home so gettinging DFed while living with parents still in is horrible. You still get dragged to meetings and treated like crap so he married the woman. He stayed married until he turned 18 and I moved him in with me and he went in and dissociated himself and he never went back.
Point of the story is that 15 is under the age of consent. That sister raped my brother and was pretty much forced into marriage. The cops should of been called instead of a marriage performed. The elders DFd me with a letter in the mail because they couldn't get a hold of me when my name appeared in the local paper for being arrested for a DUI. They wanted me out as soon as I hit puberty and a new PO moved in with two daughters that were also in puberty. One of them later made the cover of Play Boy college edition. My brother would of got DFd just as quick if he hadn't agreed to marry the elders daughter who raped him.
How sad :(
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#27 Sep 26, 2012
Find a church that sticks to God's word without adding a lot of rules and regulations.
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Like a lot of parents are today..eh Unchained??
no guideline? do what you like just don't bother me.
' There's a flippy floppy scarecrow with a flippy floppy hat." LOL.
Got news for you.." Now you are Christs body and members individually' Don't have to look for a church because we Christians are the church.
God' Word provides us with the only rules we need to be succesful spiritual Christians...

28 One of the scribes approached. When he heard them debating and saw that Jesus answered them well, he asked Him,“Which commandment is the most important of all?”

29 “This is the most important,” Jesus answered:
Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One.

30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.

31 “The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”
Mark 12:28-31

God's Word implore us to meet with other believers for worship and prayer.
little lamb

Australia

#28 Sep 26, 2012
Thats why the 1914 date is such a big thing

Because scripture tells us, 2 Thessalonian 2 [1]
" however brothers respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being GATHERED TOGETHER to HIM we request you , not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor be excited either through a an inspired expression or through a verbal message , to the effect the day of Jehovah is here."

And thats what many thought was going on in 1914..the gathering together of Christians into Christ..except it was a delusion and what people were being gathered into was a 'net' an organization net..and not the BODY of Christ at all.

The gathering doesn't occur until immediately after the tribulation...until that time the BODY is scattered and we are at the stage of having to leave Babylon the great and meet with other Christians, which may be two or three .

And we are under command Gal 5 [1].....and do not let yourselves be confined again in a yoke of slavery "
little lamb

Australia

#29 Sep 26, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>really most of those overseers back then were of the anointed were they not.
Still the congregation here is talking about people uniting together for worship, not individuals going their seperate ways, but encouraging one another.
And no LL I am not just a person that thinks associating with people is going to save my life, but it is scriptual to associate with the congregation. Nor do I look at nine men as you say in NY, in fact I don't agree with some of what they teach espeically their appointment, that does not mean I disagree with the basic doctrines of JW as you do to, as you believe that they are scriptual.
the fact is LL Christians in the first century met regually together.
Heb 10:23 So, let's hang onto the confession of our hope and not give up, because the One who gave us the promise is faithful. 24 And let's keep reminding ourselves to help each other to grow in love and in good deeds.
25 And don't stop meeting together (as some have made it their custom), but [continue to] encourage each other… and [do this] even more so as you see the Day getting closer.
Christ came and inspected 7 congregations as recorded in Rev 2 and 3. He address the elders in those congregations, and praised or gave councel for their deeds.
When Paul visited congregations he sent his love from other brothers in congregations, he visited congregations or peoples together as a group.
You are all over the place here Array..First century Christians are no different then Christians today..all united in Christ, all anointed , all in the covenant

Its people OUTSIDE the covenant that have no right to apply the new covenant teachings to themselves..

So I am not disagreeing that first century Christians had congregations and overseers, its scriptural

i am saying

To be an overseer in the first place is directed to people in the new covenant...If the new covenant is not talking to you in one area its not talking to you in any area.

You can't have a group of men tell you they are your overseer , but they are not in the covenant..because that, being an overseer is part of the covenant [testament]

The whole new testament is the covenant. no man has the right to choose which part of the covenant he will sign up on..its a contract , you are in it or you are not...and an overseer should be in it ...not an outsider..not a bastard son.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#30 Sep 26, 2012
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
You are all over the place here Array..First century Christians are no different then Christians today..all united in Christ, all anointed , all in the covenant
Its people OUTSIDE the covenant that have no right to apply the new covenant teachings to themselves..
So I am not disagreeing that first century Christians had congregations and overseers, its scriptural
i am saying
To be an overseer in the first place is directed to people in the new covenant...If the new covenant is not talking to you in one area its not talking to you in any area.
You can't have a group of men tell you they are your overseer , but they are not in the covenant..because that, being an overseer is part of the covenant [testament]
The whole new testament is the covenant. no man has the right to choose which part of the covenant he will sign up on..its a contract , you are in it or you are not...and an overseer should be in it ...not an outsider..not a bastard son.
we are talking about going to congregate with people, that is what this discussion was about, you bring in the new covenant which has nothing to do with people going to a meeting or church to congregate, you say that they don't have to, I showed you scriptures that prove that the 1st century Christiand did congregate as a group, and showed from Rev how Christ himself addressed the elder of the congregation.

Your the one that wont stick to the point. I was not discussing the new covenant, you seem to think that you don't have to assemble with people or that its wrong, the point is the bible shows clearly that 1century Christians did, and states not to forsake this gathering but to encourge one another.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#31 Sep 26, 2012
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
You are all over the place here Array..First century Christians are no different then Christians today..all united in Christ, all anointed , all in the covenant
Its people OUTSIDE the covenant that have no right to apply the new covenant teachings to themselves..
So I am not disagreeing that first century Christians had congregations and overseers, its scriptural
i am saying
To be an overseer in the first place is directed to people in the new covenant...If the new covenant is not talking to you in one area its not talking to you in any area.
You can't have a group of men tell you they are your overseer , but they are not in the covenant..because that, being an overseer is part of the covenant [testament]
The whole new testament is the covenant. no man has the right to choose which part of the covenant he will sign up on..its a contract , you are in it or you are not...and an overseer should be in it ...not an outsider..not a bastard son.
I was answering you post on this..

Like a lot of parents are today..eh Unchained??
no guideline? do what you like just don't bother me.
' There's a flippy floppy scarecrow with a flippy floppy hat." LOL.
Got news for you.." Now you are Christs body and members individually' Don't have to look for a church because we Christians are the church.
__________
you said one does not have to look for a church, in other words you don't have to go. What you said was wrong unscriptual, I showed you that, your the one that went of the subject and started your usual convenant theme...... no one was talking about that we were discussing going to a church.
little lamb

Australia

#32 Sep 26, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text> I was answering you post on this..
Like a lot of parents are today..eh Unchained??
no guideline? do what you like just don't bother me.
' There's a flippy floppy scarecrow with a flippy floppy hat." LOL.
Got news for you.." Now you are Christs body and members individually' Don't have to look for a church because we Christians are the church.
__________
you said one does not have to look for a church, in other words you don't have to go. What you said was wrong unscriptual, I showed you that, your the one that went of the subject and started your usual convenant theme...... no one was talking about that we were discussing going to a church.
Its all connected...Jesus said one of the signs of the conclusion of the system of things , would be many false Christs saying " come here or come there"

And we are told " not to go after THEM'

because we are told " now you are Christs Body and members individually"

The Body of Christ gathers with other Christians to make up the whole..we don't have to go around "looking" for something to join.

Jesus said " he will send out his angel with a trumpet sound and gather his elect together from the four corners of the heaven.

So until Jesus does the GATHERING, we have at the moment many denominations...but none of them died for us.
little lamb

Australia

#33 Sep 26, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>we are talking about going to congregate with people, that is what this discussion was about, you bring in the new covenant which has nothing to do with people going to a meeting or church to congregate, you say that they don't have to, I showed you scriptures that prove that the 1st century Christiand did congregate as a group, and showed from Rev how Christ himself addressed the elder of the congregation.
Your the one that wont stick to the point. I was not discussing the new covenant, you seem to think that you don't have to assemble with people or that its wrong, the point is the bible shows clearly that 1century Christians did, and states not to forsake this gathering but to encourge one another.
I know you wasn't discussing the new covenant, because you think we are to gather with ANYONE..we are not

We are actually told to come out from the UNBELIEVERS...We can't stay with any 'church' that does not administer the new covenant...because what are they then administering??

just their own organization interest.

We are to separate ourselves from UNBELIEVERS.

UNBELIEVER in what? Unbelievers of the new covenant, in Jesus Christ's message.

Thats why its crucial to understand who we are to GATHER with

And its the new covenant that makes us Gods people and him our God in the first place Hebrews 8 [10]

We can't gather and go to church with unbelievers who are not Gods people...who are not his covenant people..and thats what you are promoting

And of course you don't see how the covenant has any bearing on Christians coming together...because you have no idea what Jesus mediates..so your going to meetings have accomplished what???

So Christians are to gather together to encourage one another , however we are at the end of a system, and the new creation is scattered at the moment and Jesus tells us in the 'signs' in Matthew, that the love of the greater number will cool off, and that we will be hated for Jesus name [not Jehovah's name] and many will be stumbled and hate one another...and that Jesus does not gather us together until AFTER the TRIBULATION Matthew 24[30-31]

So you have been gathered into a church [BODY of CHRIST] before the tribulation and Jesus says we will be gathered AFTER..So whose the liar??
little lamb

Australia

#34 Sep 26, 2012
You can't be a Christian in the first place ARRAY without being in a new covenant with Jehovah .

And thats your problem, and why you can't see the relevance of the new covenant in these discussions

Because you don;t realize what makes us a Christian, is Jesus BLOOD and message, and baptism.

John 5 [7-8] "There are three witness bearers , the spirit and the water and the BLOOD and the three are in agreement"

You have not received the witness of Gods spirit.

Because you don't believe Jesus message of a new covenant.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#35 Sep 26, 2012
little lamb wrote:
You can't be a Christian in the first place ARRAY without being in a new covenant with Jehovah .
And thats your problem, and why you can't see the relevance of the new covenant in these discussions
Because you don;t realize what makes us a Christian, is Jesus BLOOD and message, and baptism.
John 5 [7-8] "There are three witness bearers , the spirit and the water and the BLOOD and the three are in agreement"
You have not received the witness of Gods spirit.
Because you don't believe Jesus message of a new covenant.
so those in the new covenant don't go to church or congregations, its not nessassary, is that true. This is all I was saying, LL.

if one wants to go to a church or congregation they should not be looked down on as the scriptures say to gather together, encourage one another, help one another, be hospitable, this is all I was saying. I never said a word about not being in the new covenant.
little lamb

Australia

#37 Sep 27, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>so those in the new covenant don't go to church or congregations, its not nessassary, is that true. This is all I was saying, LL.
if one wants to go to a church or congregation they should not be looked down on as the scriptures say to gather together, encourage one another, help one another, be hospitable, this is all I was saying. I never said a word about not being in the new covenant.
Thats what has been so hard to explain Array...we are the church congregation .BODY of Christ

" Now you are Christ body and members individually"

And God sets us in the BODY just where he wants us..we don't set ourselves.

So its important to realize, that you only have to have two or three people who are in the new covenant, and you have a 'church' when we are together , as Jesus said " two or three gathered in my name, there I am in their midst" he is with us.

A church is not made of brick and mortar, but living stones, human beings

I can go to a 'church ' made of brick and mortar like the Kingdom hall, and find not one other member of the real 'church..BODY of Christ within that building"..

I don't judge the individuals like yourself who go there , its a corrupt system, the people are misled and actually have given silent consent to being no part of Jesus BODY..so they are no part of Jesus nor me.

Do you understand Array?...witnesses when they attend meeting most times do not have ONE CHRISTIAN member of the real church "BODY of CHRIST" among them

But then they have set up these halls based on the commandments for the BODY to be organized..so they take the arrangement God has for the BODY, shepherds and teachers which were for the building up of the BODY in LOVE...but its a counterfeit...and they build an organization of this world instead...I don't know how many so called 'churches' have have become corporations, but many have become friends with the world..for money benefits.

people know there is something wrong..even yourself know that.

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#38 Oct 4, 2012
MAMMON wrote:
My little brother was sleeping with a 27 year old fat sister when he was 15. They didn't get caught until he was 17 when my parents had to dig up and replace the septic tank and it had a bunch of condoms floating in there. They ended up having to get married to avoid getting DFed because her dad was an elder and their whole family had been in for generations. My brother was 17 and living at home so gettinging DFed while living with parents still in is horrible. You still get dragged to meetings and treated like crap so he married the woman. He stayed married until he turned 18 and I moved him in with me and he went in and dissociated himself and he never went back.
Point of the story is that 15 is under the age of consent. That sister raped my brother and was pretty much forced into marriage. The cops should of been called instead of a marriage performed. The elders DFd me with a letter in the mail because they couldn't get a hold of me when my name appeared in the local paper for being arrested for a DUI. They wanted me out as soon as I hit puberty and a new PO moved in with two daughters that were also in puberty. One of them later made the cover of Play Boy college edition. My brother would of got DFd just as quick if he hadn't agreed to marry the elders daughter who raped him.
What a story, Mark.

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