if adam and eve did

Since: Jan 12

United States

#61 Dec 4, 2012
Stingo wrote:
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Well that question is easy. I'm not god, so I don't have the answers. I'll give you credit though, for a believer, you were very adapt in not answering a thing I asked. That's what god followers tend to do. Good job.
i'm still waiting for you to explain how you would do a better job at bringing forth a crop of free-willed creatures who have the potential to live forever.

please give the basic plan.... it sould be interesting.

Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#62 Dec 4, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
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i'm still waiting for you to explain how you would do a better job at bringing forth a crop of free-willed creatures who have the potential to live forever.
please give the basic plan.... it sould be interesting.
What I need you to do, and this is very important. I want you to look at my quote that you just posted a few minutes ago, and this is what I want you to do... You with me so far? I know this can be very hard for christians, but you're still with me right? Ok, good. Now here's what you do... read it. Word by word if need be. Don't be afraid to use a dictionary if you have to.

Now if you've read that, take a few minutes to get it. Now I'll explain it again....

I am not god (so far, so good)
I do not aspire to be god (stay with me now)
I have no interest in ruling or raising mankind (don't let the monkey play the cymbals in your head)
And here is the big one...
Since I'm none of those things, I see no reason to play make believe with you about it. I am however up for a game of cowboys and Indians, or ice hockey. But only if I get to be the greatest Maple Leaf player of all time, and you're the worst Montreal Canadians player of all time.

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#63 Dec 4, 2012
Stingo wrote:
But only if I get to be the greatest Maple Leaf player of all time, and you're the worst Montreal Canadians player of all time.
It's not about the talent, it's about the name.

Clearly Mario Lemieux is the greatest Penguin of all time, but Paul Dyck is the Penguin with the greatest name of all time.

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#64 Dec 4, 2012
Stingo wrote:
Then you skulk off into the shadows and wait. What do you think will happen? Of course the child, sensing that you're not looking, will eat it. Now what do you do? Instead of teaching the child a lesson, which would be the proper thing since they never became an adult (you lied) You curse them. But not only them. Not only will you kill then, that's not good enough for you. You have bloodlust now. You want to also kill your grandkids, and their kids, and on and on and on.
It says something that an all-being, all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful "god" happened to not notice his creation being lied to by another of his creations and doesn't step in to challenge the lie being told and stopping his progeny from being misled.

For example, do you tell your young child, who is playing in the yard for the FIRST time, "You can have the ENTIRE front yard to play in, but don't cross the street," but then sit idly by, watching, as their uncle the criminal LIES to them, telling them, "No, go ahead and play in the street; it's okay!"? No, you, knowing it's going on, immediately interject yourself into the situation, tell the criminal uncle that he's not welcome around your children immediately inform then that, regardless of what their criminal uncle the liar tells them, it is NOT okay to play in the street.

You certainly don't allow the immature youngster to go off and play in the street, and punish him or her because you weren't there to do your duty as a parent.

You know what we call parents that act in such a way?

Unfit.

[Once again, human morality trumps the "higher," allegedly "perfect" morality of the absentee landlord.]
little lamb

Rye, Australia

#65 Dec 4, 2012
Christian's have the wonderful benefit of having the witness accounts of Jesus ..who shows us exactly what God our heavenly Father is like.

Jesus witness of his Father shows us a loving caring and healing God.

Jesus died a horrible death but was resurrected on the third day..to see that mankind could get this message of reconciliation..

Now we have the witness accounts of men who claim they don't believe in God, and like to ridicule and shame anyone who does.

So the choice is , who do we believe, and it comes down to us..Do we believe the writings bearing witness to JESUS by his witnesses appointed beforehand..or do we believe the writings of men who claim to disbelieve in God.

Lets see its.. Slingo and F H Chandler?? verses Jesus Christ.

I believe Jesus came as Gods representative and has given us a far better witness of what God is like , then these two men..

Encouragement in the Lord.

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#66 Dec 4, 2012
The Village Idiot wrote:
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It says something that an all-being, all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful "god" happened to not notice his creation being lied to by another of his creations and doesn't step in to challenge the lie being told and stopping his progeny from being misled.
For example, do you tell your young child, who is playing in the yard for the FIRST time, "You can have the ENTIRE front yard to play in, but don't cross the street," but then sit idly by, watching, as their uncle the criminal LIES to them, telling them, "No, go ahead and play in the street; it's okay!"? No, you, knowing it's going on, immediately interject yourself into the situation, tell the criminal uncle that he's not welcome around your children immediately inform then that, regardless of what their criminal uncle the liar tells them, it is NOT okay to play in the street.
You certainly don't allow the immature youngster to go off and play in the street, and punish him or her because you weren't there to do your duty as a parent.
You know what we call parents that act in such a way?
Unfit.
[Once again, human morality trumps the "higher," allegedly "perfect" morality of the absentee landlord.]
Is this hyperbole or Klingon?

Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#67 Dec 4, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Christian's have the wonderful benefit of having the witness accounts of Jesus ..who shows us exactly what God our heavenly Father is like.
Jesus witness of his Father shows us a loving caring and healing God.
Jesus died a horrible death but was resurrected on the third day..to see that mankind could get this message of reconciliation..
Now we have the witness accounts of men who claim they don't believe in God, and like to ridicule and shame anyone who does.
So the choice is , who do we believe, and it comes down to us..Do we believe the writings bearing witness to JESUS by his witnesses appointed beforehand..or do we believe the writings of men who claim to disbelieve in God.
Lets see its.. Slingo and F H Chandler?? verses Jesus Christ.
I believe Jesus came as Gods representative and has given us a far better witness of what God is like , then these two men..
Encouragement in the Lord.
Fear does not allow you to post an original thought, or engage in any type of rational conversation. All you do is leak your brainwashing all over the forum. I could post a 1000 discrepancies in the bible, but all it would do is feed your persecution complex.
little lamb

Australia

#68 Dec 4, 2012
Still doesn't distract from the fact that it is written ..Jesus has the sayings of everlasting life..and seeing the life span of any man is not very long and even the cleverest of us all are heading to the same place..

The opposition has nothing to offer..has no hope..is just fatalistic..

rather find refuge in the HOPE.

Jesus is a covenant to the people and a light to the nations..

Jesus says " the reason a person doesn't want to come to the light is because his works are wicked and he doesn't want his works reproved by the light."

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#69 Dec 5, 2012
Milquetoastboy wrote:
Is this hyperbole or Klingon?
It's something that requires the ability to think independently, a skill that ones such as yourself lack.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#70 Dec 6, 2012
last nite dreamt about the huge talking snake with large mouth up in the sky.

i wonder what dream is this about?
could be too much gossips,rebuting in jw forum ?

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#71 Dec 6, 2012
We can't expect God to be just and perfect when he was created by imperfect men. The men who wrote the bible even seem to have had difficulty agreeing on what God is or isn't.

“GOD IS LOVE”

Since: Aug 09

WE ARE ALL ONE

#72 Dec 6, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
We can't expect God to be just and perfect when he was created by imperfect men. The men who wrote the bible even seem to have had difficulty agreeing on what God is or isn't.
Interesting comment.

And when one sees all the contradictions in the bible writer's ideas that explain the personality and expectations of God; combine THOSE with the even MORE contrasting ideas that the WTS governing body makes up as "what God requires"....the end result amounts to false, highly questionable and more often than not....untrustworthy teachings the WTS regularly dispenses as "food from God" that have been dead wrong.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#73 Dec 6, 2012
last time i checked, mankind didn't create this universe,...god did

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#74 Dec 6, 2012
I don't think man created the universe, but I don't think the bible God did either. I think man created the bible God. Unfortunately, in their own image.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#75 Dec 6, 2012
the god in the universe created mankind.... thats it, not the other way around

if you continue to say that mankind created god, and try to promote that as a very stable truth, you will be bringing lots of judgment onto yourself, cause its not true at all

god created the heavens and the earth in the beginning

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#76 Dec 6, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
the god in the universe created mankind.... thats it, not the other way around

if you continue to say that mankind created god, and try to promote that as a very stable truth, you will be bringing lots of judgment onto yourself, cause its not true at all

god created the heavens and the earth in the beginning
I don't think humans created God. They couldn't create a real God. I think they created the persona of the bible god.

“GOD IS LOVE”

Since: Aug 09

WE ARE ALL ONE

#77 Dec 6, 2012
I tend to believe that every separate church, every cult, every religion and every culture has it's own idea of who God is...resulting in so many diverse opinions of Him (or her, as some believe). Granted, a lot of these groups do have pretty much the same basic beliefs, but others,(in my thinking) really go off on some odd tangents.

The Creator of the universe (and of ALL mankind) did place man on this earth in His image. It is what man himself has recorded ABOUT that image and personality....and what he/they NOW feel what God requires OF man....is where the greatest mistakes lie.

Mankind NEEDS a God with firm but yet a gentle and merciful hand...and being ruled in living a life filled with fear and dread for making human mistakes....is not any God I care to worship.

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#78 Dec 8, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
I tend to believe that every separate church, every cult, every religion and every culture has it's own idea of who God is...resulting in so many diverse opinions of Him (or her, as some believe). Granted, a lot of these groups do have pretty much the same basic beliefs, but others,(in my thinking) really go off on some odd tangents.

The Creator of the universe (and of ALL mankind) did place man on this earth in His image. It is what man himself has recorded ABOUT that image and personality....and what he/they NOW feel what God requires OF man....is where the greatest mistakes lie.

Mankind NEEDS a God with firm but yet a gentle and merciful hand...and being ruled in living a life filled with fear and dread for making human mistakes....is not any God I care to worship.
And they all claim because they understand the bible they are right. Many claim they have special understanding of the bible so they are right. Why is it that god would make his instruction manual on how to serve him so contradictory. Many will say its not, that they understand It perfectly and yet all differ on what they say they understand even though they swear they are each correct. They will also say that 'they' are led by Holy Spirit and so their understanding is the right one.

Oh too many 'they'.

“GOD IS LOVE”

Since: Aug 09

WE ARE ALL ONE

#79 Dec 8, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
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And they all claim because they understand the bible they are right. Many claim they have special understanding of the bible so they are right. Why is it that god would make his instruction manual on how to serve him so contradictory. Many will say its not, that they understand It perfectly and yet all differ on what they say they understand even though they swear they are each correct. They will also say that 'they' are led by Holy Spirit and so their understanding is the right one.
Oh too many 'they'.
You have made some good points and I could attempt to give you what I feel on this....but it would be rather lengthy and may also incur the wrath of some posters here and invite snarky comments.....so I will try and remember to file this until I am not as busy....and get back to you privately :o)

“I luv Jesus ”

Since: Oct 12

Blessed city

#80 Dec 8, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
I don't think man created the universe, but I don't think the bible God did either. I think man created the bible God. Unfortunately, in their own image.
then where did human beings came from in the beginning?

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